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[POLL] 2020 U.S. Presidential Election

For whom will/would you vote?


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I do want Trump to win again, but unlike the Liberals who still refuse to call him their President I will gladly call whomever wins Nov 3 the President of the United States.

Who denies that he is the president of the united states?

His critics rightly call him a liar, cheat, sexual predator etc but none have said he isn't president.

Trump said he wouldn't accept the result though & it's pretty likely that he won't.
For that very reason, you should not vote for him to see what he does.
 
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Who denies that he is the president of the united states?

His critics rightly call him a liar, cheat, sexual predator etc but none have said he isn't president.

Trump said he wouldn't accept the result though & it's pretty likely that he won't.
For that very reason, you should not vote for him to see what he does.

Trump said he wouldn't accept an illegitimate election and that was in response to Biden forming a 600+ lawyer team with the sole intention on litigating the election results if Biden looses - simply because he lost. I can understand why Trump would be a bit apprehensive considering Biden has 600 lawyers ready to fight regardless if there's any fraud or not simply because Biden already refuses to accept the results.

There's also many people all over social media that claim Trump isn't their president. Then you have the bunch of Liberals that didn't even give him a chance and decided to impeach him regardless if he's guilty of anything just because they refused to accept the election results before he even took office. Their refusal to accept the results is what also motivated the multi-million dollar witch hunt that was the Russian collusion that turned out to be a waste of everyone's time. So you have various groups of people that decided not to accept the results.
 

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My sources outweigh yours as I provided Government entities with real data including dates on which action was taken and you provide links to a Liberal run blog masquerading as an encyclopedia. You also still didn't answer my question regarding the lack of outrage related to the Liberals refusal to act when Trump was tackling the virus. I'll repeat myself; The Trump administration started reacting to the virus in late December so where does that leave your liberal buddies that were ignoring the threat and calling him nasty names for dealing with it. Surely, their lack of response warrants some sort of negative reaction or do they get a pass because they are on your side?
Wikipedia, factually, is not a "liberal run blog."

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Your lack of an education is not an excuse for your ignorance. Down playing risk, hmm, could it be because the EXPERTS were feeding him misinformation? They were even going on tv feeding the American people misinformation. Hell, World Health Organization lied to every single person on the planet except CCP. Fauci lied to the American people, yet for whatever reason people still think that jokester is credible. Complain about Trumps handling of the virus when the facts are, each and every individual state is responsible for their handling of the virus. You are to uneducated to understand that though. State & local leaders failed to lead in a time when their states needed a leader. Complain about closing down the country and reopening. You can NOT close down a country because of a virus. I know your simple mind can not comprehend that. Your logic is, if a vaccine is not created within 2 years, we should all be locked up in our houses like prisoners until that day. Sorry buddy, that does not fly in America. A virus can not be eradicated without a vaccine. Locking everyone up in their houses is not going to do anything positive for America. Stimulus relief, who are the ones that are ALWAYS holding it up? The democrats. The democrats want to use that relief to push their idiotic agenda. If the democrats really cared about you, your kids, your parents, your family, they would want you to have that money. Instead they go the political route. Cold months are coming up, Americans need that money, democrats do not give a damn. You & people like you are so damn soft & lack common sense. You are like addicts that blame big pharma for becoming addicted to opiates even though its been known for centuries that opiates are addictive, you were informed. Instead you decided that being ignorant and placing blame else where was the better idea.
WHO didn't lie. Fauci didn't lie. Trump wasn't fed misinformation. Trump fed (and continues to feed) Americans misinformation. Lies, strawmen, and insults aren't going to change the facts.
 

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It is rather curious that the Commission on Presidential Debates excluded the topic. And oh yeah as of today add Sudan to the list of M.E. Arab countries normalizing ties with Israel.

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Wikipedia, factually, is not a "liberal run blog."

That's odd, because only a handful of people control the most popular "public" wiki pages and have them under lock and key. If you're additions don't jive with the Liberal agenda they are discarded. Additionally, those three links you gave to me had a purpose and it wasn't to educate the public on reality. They were made to mislead the public by attacking Trump whereas my links to the various Government entities that have dealt with and are dealing with the virus directly are factual and contain many dates and times of when Trump acted. That was while the Democrats and Liberals refused to act and called him a racist and xenophobe for acting.

I do often wonder how many less people would have died if the Democrats didn't fight against Trump's actions to curb the spread of covid-19. I guess we'll never know, but that leads me back to my question that you've still refused to answer ...

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It is rather curious that the Commission on Presidential Debates excluded the topic. And oh yeah as of today add Sudan to the list of M.E. Arab countries normalizing ties with Israel.

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You're not going to get a liberal to acknowledge Trump has done a lot of good as that doesn't fit into their pre-programmed cases of terminal TDS. Of course, saying anything positive about Trump will get you attacked by mindless minions so I believe it's fear or being rejected that also motivates TDS sufferers. Imagine needing to belong to a bunch of lying, thieving, murdering arsonist scum. I don't want to belong to a group of people actively fighting to destroy the country. I love my country.
 

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That's odd, because only a handful of people control the most popular "public" wiki pages and have them under lock and key. If you're additions don't jive with the Liberal agenda they are discarded. Additionally, those three links you gave to me had a purpose and it wasn't to educate the public on reality. They were made to mislead the public by attacking Trump whereas my links to the various Government entities that have dealt with and are dealing with the virus directly are factual and contain many dates and times of when Trump acted. That was while the Democrats and Liberals refused to act and called him a racist and xenophobe for acting.

I do often wonder how many less people would have died if the Democrats didn't fight against Trump's actions to curb the spread of covid-19. I guess we'll never know, but that leads me back to my question that you've still refused to answer ...
I don't think you know how Wikipedia works. Pages generally aren't under "lock and key," and if additions are rejected, it's because they didn't comport with the facts as we know them (or they're improperly cited).

I suggest you look again at the list of Trump's COVID-19 failings I posted earlier today.
 
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If you're posting a poll, just keep in mind that some Trump supporters (like my dad) would never in a million years say it. You don't know who's on the other side of that phone. It could be Antifa, and they could burn your house down.
 

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If you're posting a poll, just keep in mind that some Trump supporters (like my dad) would never in a million years say it. You don't know who's on the other side of that phone. It could be Antifa, and they could burn your house down.

I've gotten political polling calls at least 30-40 times since June. I hung up on every one of them.
 

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If you're posting a poll, just keep in mind that some Trump supporters (like my dad) would never in a million years say it. You don't know who's on the other side of that phone. It could be Antifa, and they could burn your house down.

I think the crazier the left get the more inaccurate polling would get specific to polls regarding Trump vs Biden.

Outside of other potential issues with their polling methods.

Bradley effect basically. And it was present in 2016, I can only imagine it could be even greater now given the climate of how intolerant the left has become.

People have watched how people that publicly support Trump are treated for years now. And it has only gotten worse.

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I personally think this one question in the recent Gallup poll likely inadvertently removes some of the bradley effect away from the question.

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I believe the 56% percent that believe they are better off now than 4 years ago are likely going to be voting for Trump now, or at least again. I (and my family) are in the now camp.

It's not a direct, who is better Trump or Biden question.
 
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My issues aren't with the results as I've learned to not trust polls all together, but the page I linked to specifically called out bias with Ipsos. If you don't like the page due to it's content you can simple search for "ipsos poll bias" to get other results dealing with the same poll.

I do want Trump to win again, but unlike the Liberals who still refuse to call him their President I will gladly call whomever wins Nov 3 the President of the United States. To extend on that, I'll respect the person regardless of who it turns out to be and support them because just like the 2016 candidate that won they deserve our respect.
At the top of the page you linked to, the blogger concocted an unsubstantiated conspiracy theory that communists are running the polls with the help of liberal activists and RINO Republicans. You tell me that you have issues with polls, but you have no such issues regarding extremist conspiracy theory blogs or their use to attack said polls.

I already told you that Ipsos' Democractic lean is only +0.4, which is fairly moderate and nowhere near as biased as claimed by the blog you linked me to.

Also at the top of that page, the blogger made an argument that "There's nobody monitoring the accuracy of the polls fed to the public," which *may* have been true back in 2016, but is pants on fire false today:

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/pollster-ratings/

Ipsos carries a B- rating btw, which is slightly above average.
 

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I am sure that there are plenty of these type of people too.

Certain liberals like to downplay the laptop but it is making a difference. Even for those that were NOT on the fence.

I highly doubt the laptop situation has made anyone switch from Trump over to Biden.

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Reminder:

CURRENT DNI John Ratcliffe confirmed this is NOT connected to Russian disinformation effort. That there is no intelligence to support any claims of that nature. No matter what arm chair intelligence officers claim.

Signatures have been compared from the form at the computer place. And they match enough to suggest/indicate it was Hunter who signed.

Hunter Biden's Attorney has attempted to retrieve the hard drive from the computer store owner.

People on the email chains have confirmed they received the same message as in the evidence of his drive.

Secret service has confirmed that travel plans match places and times traveled listed in the emails.

https://www.grassley.senate.gov/sites/default/files/2020-10-20 CEG RHJ to Secret Service (Hunter Biden Travel Records Follow-Up) .pdf

Neither Joe, Hunter, or his campaign have said the data is invalid. Or that it is NOT his data/laptop.
 

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https://twitter.com/i/status/1319736790778077185

I am sure that there are plenty of these type of people too.

Certain liberals like to downplay the laptop but it is making a difference. Even for those that were NOT on the fence.

I highly doubt the laptop situation has made anyone switch from Trump over to Biden.

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Reminder:

CURRENT DNI John Ratcliffe confirmed this is NOT connected to Russian disinformation effort. That there is no intelligence to support any claims of that nature. No matter what arm chair intelligence officers claim.

Signatures have been compared from the form at the computer place. And they match enough to suggest/indicate it was Hunter who signed.

Hunter Biden's Attorney has attempted to retrieve the hard drive from the computer store owner.

People on the email chains have confirmed they received the same message as in the evidence of his drive.

Secret service has confirmed that travel plans match places and times traveled listed in the emails.

https://www.grassley.senate.gov/sites/default/files/2020-10-20 CEG RHJ to Secret Service (Hunter Biden Travel Records Follow-Up) .pdf

Neither Joe, Hunter, or his campaign have said the data is invalid. Or that it is NOT his data/laptop.
Anecdotal evidence isn't evidence. Polls are more indicative of how an election will go.
 
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https://www.foxnews.com/politics/po...ies-polls-again-in-2020-my-profession-is-done

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Weren't there people here posting even higher leads? I don't pay attention to the poll #'s so I might be wrong.
The national polls in 2016 showed Clinton at +3.9, and she won the popular vote by +2.1. So, the national polls were off by 1.8 in Trump's direction. (11 days from the election, the polls showed Clinton at +5.5, and her poll numbers were beginning to fall largely because of the Comey Letter).

The national polls in 2020 show Biden currently at +9.8. If the national polls hold at 9.8 after 11 days and end up being off by 1.8 in Trump's direction (they are just as likely to be off by 1.8 in Biden's direction), then Biden would still win the popular vote by +8.0, and he would very likely win the Electoral College. Obama won in 2012 by +3.9, and Obama won in 2008 by +7.2.

*All polling aggregates from FiveThirtyEight. Other aggregates like RealClearPolitics showed/show similar numbers.
 
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Speaking of polling bias...
Siena College shows Biden ahead in Iowa, Georgia, North Carolina, Wisconsin, Michigan, Nevada, Ohio, Arizona, & Florida.
Marist College shows Biden ahead in Wisconsin & Michigan; +12 Nationally.
Zogby shows Biden ahead in Florida.
HarrisX shows Biden ahead in Michigan & Pennsylvania.
Rasmussen shows Biden ahead in Ohio, Arizona, and Pennsylvania.
Mason-Dixon Polling & Strategy shows Biden ahead in Florida.

These are 6 of the most active conservative leaning pollsters. The above results are from their most recent state polls. If these polling scenarios play out, Trump will fall short of 270 electoral votes, according to fivethirtyeight's probability map:

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-election-forecast/

- Trump can't reach 270 without Florida.
- Trump can't reach 270 without Ohio.
- Trump can't reach 270 without both Wisconsin & Michigan or Pennsylvania.
- Trump can't reach 270 without one of either Michigan or Pennsylvania.
- Trump has <1% probability of reaching 270 down 12 points nationally.

According to the other most active conservative pollster, Trump does possess a rather small probability of winning:
IBD/TIPP shows Biden ahead in Pennsylvania; +4.5 Nationally.
- Trump doesn't require Pennsylvania to win, but will require huge upset wins in both Wisconsin & Michigan to reach 270.
- A 4.5 point national polling deficit grants Trump an 11% probability of reaching 270.
 

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