Nintendo Switch hackers Team Xecuter leaders arrested, charged in federal indictment

ombus · Oct 3, 2020

gMendeZm said:
where did you take that percentaje?

Is GBA Temp a hobbie project like that? Or are we all devs

from my imagination...i did not do a survey -.- ...
the first thing people want a cfw is piracy then there other people that do buy the games but want to play backups so they need signature patches too.. then you have the one that put atmos only for homebrew. if you expect to be the other way the you are wrong

0x3000027E · Oct 3, 2020

shanefromoz said:
My belief is that sxos will still be updated via China. The main rep of the business will no longer be Gary but a new person.
Im hoping anyways.

I think you are right friend. I don't believe this will be the end.

frankGT · Oct 3, 2020

Does this mean 10.2.0 will be the last firmware to support xci loading? :nayps3:

Is was good while it lasted, good quality hardware and software and excellent support.

Hope they can move on with their lives after this...

HideoKojima · Oct 3, 2020

Damn I just realized it's April 1st @garyopa still here?

jojo319 · Oct 3, 2020

linuxares said:
Uhm no.. no one dies of SXOS, please don't make this political.

Covid-19 is political?

ombus · Oct 3, 2020

Flying Scotsman said:
Atmosphere is not being advertised as able to bypass the anti-piracy measures, SX is.

Atmosphere does not come pre-bundled with sig patches. SX has them baked in.

Atmosphere does not include a paid option - SX does and the paid option specifically is advertised to users as a way to play pirated games (via XCI support).

If Atmosphere:

Included sig patches in the download.

Had an option to pay for extended access to features.

Specifically advertised themselves as piracy enabling.

Included Nintendo code.

then yes they would have been sued a long time ago, but they don't so Nintendo hasn't got any legal standing when it comes to issuing a C&D. Clean room projects (such as Atmosphere) are in a copyright bubble. This is also the reason why projects like ReactOS (which is reverse engineering and reimplementing the Windows kernel) are still up even though they technically would break copyright/trademark law if they included copyrighted code (i.e code from the Windows XP leak).

sxos was just fine till now so what ? nintendo didnt have legal standing too ? now does ? no... they can just do it tomorrow if they want
atmosphere breaks security.. and that excuse of atmos not having nintendo code is bad.
sxos gives you the password included.... atmosphere gives you a password breaker included..

heck...the sxos guys caught by the fbi can argue they used atmosphere code and what not and without that code they would have had harder if not impossible time to do all they did. then they will look at atmosphere too.

Flying Scotsman · Oct 3, 2020

mesmeriize said:
Sx cfw should still work fine without updates if emunand is on version 10.2 or below. Even if you update the sysnand past 10.2 to play online and leave emunand as it is because they're seperate.

The only thing I don't see working on the emunand are future game updates and newer games requiring a newer firmware until there's a patch tool that makes the game get rid of the messages.

I think this is going to make modded lites that much more rarer and valuable.

If you update your Sysnand your Emunand won't boot because Sept would have to be updated to match the updated Sysnand. Any baked in Kips would also break as you aren't able to update them like you can on other CFW's like Atmosphere.

mesmeriize · Oct 3, 2020

ChaoticCinnabon said:
why would they be more valuable if CFW on them is gonna be well, dead unless someone manages to crack in and make updates? it's purely collector's at that point wouldn't you think?

New cfw would certainly not work but everything we have now should still work fine. There's many people that would prefer the lite for its portability so I'm considering holding onto it and selling it when modded lites can no longer be found.
For my personal use, I have a v2 with chip and v1 with trinket so need to get rid of my v2 immediately.

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Flying Scotsman said:
If you update your Sysnand your Emunand won't boot because Sept would have to be updated to match the updated Sysnand. Any baked in Kips would also break as you aren't able to update them like you can on other CFW's like Atmosphere.

I don't believe that's true. I updated my sysnand to 10.2 and 10.1 emunand was working fine on sx. If other people can prove that's true, worst case scenario, I'd get rid of the emunand and have modded sysnand permanently offline

weatMod · Oct 3, 2020

Flying Scotsman said:
Unless they secretly update the firmware running on the hardware or someone else manages to do that - yes.

how so though ?
can't we just create emunand keep sysnand on SX compatible FW, chainload atm from SX on compatible sysnand and boot latest supported atm emunand
also we could use NSC builder to patch nsp's/.xci's to run on lower FW

alepman90 · Oct 3, 2020

Am I the only one who thinks this isn't a big of a hit for TX? Probably their business being harmed in US but they'll still
active in China and EU and most 3rd world countries

The Real Jdbye · Oct 3, 2020

Holy shit, that came out of nowhere, though I can't say it's unexpected. Considering they included illegal data in the boot.dat file, that gave Nintendo an easy way to go after them if they could be identified.

So, garyopa was part of TX all along? Guess it makes sense why he was always the one posting TX news on here and generally talking positively about them. I hesitate to use the word "shill", he wasn't in our faces about it or anything, he seemed like a nice guy.

Flying Scotsman · Oct 3, 2020

ombus said:
sxos was just fine till now so what ? nintendo didnt have legal standing too ? now does ? no... they can just do it tomorrow if they want
atmosphere breaks security.. and that excuse of atmos not having nitnendo code is bad.
sxos gives you the password included.... atmosphere gives you a password breaker included..

heck...the sxos guys caught by the fbi can argue they used atmosphere code and what not and without that code they would have had harder if not impossible time to do all they did. then they will look at atmosphere too.

It sounds like you're in denial and haven't read the indictment.

SX was on Ninty's radar for a while and if you read the indictment their main case against TX is the modchip side of the business. They've tacked SX on the side because while they would find it hard to sue purely on SX alone, bundling the 2 together (mod chip purpose built to bypass security measures and software to do the same) would pretty much guarantee the court sides with Nintendo and both SX and the hardware are taken down in 1 fell swoop.

and that excuse of atmos not having nitnendo code is bad.

It isn't an excuse if it's the truth. Atmosphere is open source. Please find a line of code belonging to Nintendo specifically because guaranteed they've had their lawyers go over the entire project and they haven't found any evidence of that so please find an example and share it with the rest of us. Reimplementing functionality is not reusing Nintendo's code.

sxos gives you the password included.... atmosphere gives you a password breaker included..

I don't think you quite understand how the encryption keys work in either CFW.

Atmosphere does not include the keys because that would be using Nintendo's own code and would fall under copyright infringement (i.e the cryptographic keys Geohot leaked and was sued for). Sept uses a pattern scanner to find the key in memory on the device and uses that pointer to decrypt the files required. Sharing a memory pattern is not copyright infringement hence why the project still survives to this day. You can verify this on the ReSwitched discord where SciresM discussed this.

According to reverse engineers - TX included the key baked in. They used Nintendo's own cryptographic key which falls under copyright infringement (see Geohot Vs Sony).

heck...the sxos guys caught by the fbi can argue they used atmosphere code and what not and without that code they would have had harder if not impossible time to do all they did. then they will look at atmosphere too

Of course they'll look at Atmosphere but SX was a derivitive of Atmosphere with piracy specific features included (which are lacking in Atmosphere). Now if Atmosphere included those piracy features and TX just put their name to it then that would be a different story but that is not the case at all.

powman · Oct 3, 2020

look at bowser getting foiled again...

alepman90 · Oct 3, 2020

The Real Jdbye said:
Holy shit, that came out of nowhere, though I can't say it's unexpected. Considering they included illegal data in the boot.dat file, that gave Nintendo an easy way to go after them if they could be identified.

So, garyopa was part of TX all along? Guess it makes sense why he was always the one posting TX news on here and generally talking positively about them. I hesitate to use the word "shill", he wasn't in our faces about it or anything, he seemed like a nice guy.

It seems he was a promoter and probably a major importer to NA, I'm not sure if he was really part of dev team or just a distributor
Also, he's 51yo and this's his business for a while not just an amateur Nintendo targeted

Flying Scotsman · Oct 3, 2020

mesmeriize said:
I don't believe that's true. I updated my sysnand to 10.2 and 10.1 emunand was working fine on sx. If other people can prove that's true, worst case scenario, I'd get rid of the emunand and have modded sysnand permanently offline

Speaking from experience with Atmosphere's Emunand to be honest. I found updating the Sysnand and not Atmosphere (sept specifically) resulted in a bootloop due to Atmosphere being unable to decrypt the partitions/files needed to boot.

weatMod said:
how so though ?
can't we just create emunand keep sysnand on SX compatible FW, chainload atm from SX on compatible sysnand and boot latest supported atm emunand
also we could use NSC builder to patch nsp's/.xci's to run on lower FW

I've seen some people manage to convert their SX emunands to Hekate/Atmosphere's implementation so it's possible and might be worth considering if TX don't release an update to SX when the next OFW update is out.

Deleted User · Oct 3, 2020

Garyopa has been on this site a long time and has another site. Guess he won't be anymore.

I didn't really think that Americans were running the thing. They were stupid to reverse engineer Nintendos console in America. It was evitable they would eventually be arrested.

Flying Scotsman · Oct 3, 2020

ForgotWhoIam said:
Garyopa has been on this site a long time and has another site. Guess he won't be anymore.

I didn't really think that Americans were running the thing. They were stupid to reverse engineer Nintendos console in America. It was evitable they would eventually be arrested.

They weren't in America though, that's why 2 of them have extradition orders against them (good luck extraditing Chen from China though).

Deleted User · Oct 3, 2020

Flying Scotsman said:
They weren't in America though, that's why 2 of them have extradition orders against them (good luck extraditing Chen from China though).

Oh I didn't read through it all I didn't know that. But Garyopa was arrested in Seattle.

Actually the first post on this thread says they were all arrested in Seattle. Why would they extradition?

Nevermind I see the two you're talking about now.

omegasoul6 · Oct 3, 2020

This is so sad, let me play the world's smallest violin for them.

ut2k4master · Oct 3, 2020

weatMod said:
by that logic CD DVD BR burners should be illegal too because you can use them to make copies of copyrighted music,movies,software

drive manufacturers actually pay a small amount with each drive sold because they can be used to make copies

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