Who won the first presidential debate?

notimp · Oct 2, 2020

Yeah, bring me that 'obviously not talking about pizza' part - I dont know that. And bring it in a way - where I'm not expected to read through 60k emails, getting deeper into 'there has to be something there, I cant have wasted all my time doing that' territory.

As far as I know, people linked something to an actual pizza joint, with an owner, that was also mentioned(?) in those emails. So the pizza thing is certainly not about pizza, but about pizza, when we want to. And certainly not about carpentary. So it could be child pron?

What is this? You cant disprove a negative monday? Are we hitting the 'you cant prove, that god doesnt exist discussion again?'

I want to see which logic trail you followed, to end up at 'could be about child porn'.

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Are those the emails in question?
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/58006
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/53200
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/29931

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/21136

edit: This the smoking gun?
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/55433

This?
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/53745

UltraDolphinRevolution · Oct 2, 2020

No, they are not.

notimp · Oct 2, 2020

UltraDolphinRevolution said:
No, they are not.

Then dig them up please, there are not that many emails mentioning either Alefantis or pizza, just enough, that I wont spend an hour reading through all of them. So which ones...

edit: Also, most cited email IS the handkerchief one, see:
https://web.archive.org/web/2016121...tive/2016/12/10/business/media/pizzagate.html

Go figure. My story allegory spidy senses work top notch.

And you dear sir, are a liar. (Or didnt read the edit in time.)

edit: Also please read through the NYT (web archive) article above to see how freaking insane soggy the contemplations got. Walnut sauce pasta? Oh dear god! NOT WALNUT SAUCE PASTA!

LumInvader · Oct 2, 2020

Most voters say Biden won his first debate against Trump
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/01/biden-leads-polls-voters-say-he-beat-trump-in-first-debate.html

Three polls asking who won Tuesday night's debate show Biden coming out on top – though respondents, along with most commentators and even the moderator himself, gave dismal reviews to the contest itself, which appears to have changed few minds.

A CNBC/Change Research poll conducted Tuesday night and Wednesday found 53% of likely voters nationwide said Biden did a better job in the debate, compared with 29% for Trump. The poll also found 45% of those surveyed saying Trump performed worse than expectations, while 11% said the same for Biden.

Another poll from CBS News' battleground tracker gave Biden the edge in the debate, 48%-41%, while 10% said it was a tie. A large majority of respondents in that poll, 69%, said they felt annoyed watching the debate. That poll had a margin of error of plus or minus 3.4 percentage points.

An instant poll from CNN and SSRS, with a higher margin of error of plus or minus 6.3 points, showed 60% of respondents calling Biden the victor and 28% saying Trump won the debate.

Regarding the trustworthiness of the pollsters, according to fivetheirtyeight.com:

- Change Research has a C- Pollster rating.
- The CBS News poll was conducted by YouGov, which has a B rating.
- SSRS has a B/C rating.

Citation:

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/pollster-ratings/

UltraDolphinRevolution · Oct 2, 2020

notimp said:
Then dig them up please, there are not that many emails mentioning either Alefantis or pizza, just enough, that I wont spend an hour reading through all of them. So which ones...

Pizza was merely one of the terms. I have no interest in digging into this topic. It is old news and the Epstein case is much more interesting. I do not keep a catalogue of links in order to bring them up years later.
How about you and I go out for a glass of water? I can bring my spoon if you don´t have a television.

notimp · Oct 2, 2020

UltraDolphinRevolution said:
Pizza was merely one of the terms. I have no interest in digging into this topic. It is old news and the Epstein case is much more interesting. I do not keep a catalogue of links in order to bring them up years later.
How about you and I go out for a glass of water? I can bring my spoon if you don´t have a television.

This one is afraid of Walnut sauce pasta:

OH DEAR GOD, not Walnut sauce pasta!

*wilhelm scream*

edit: *howie scream* actually works better

spotanjo3 · Oct 2, 2020

I don't care! All presidents are the corrupt. Always was and always will be. They are the piece of trash and a junk anyway!

Taleweaver · Oct 2, 2020

Can I declare covid-19 the winner of this debate?

UltraSUPRA · Oct 2, 2020

Wanna bet that the people who are saying that there was no winner voted Biden in this poll?

sarkwalvein · Oct 2, 2020

Taleweaver said:
Can I declare covid-19 the winner of this debate?

Yep, Covid takes the crown /s
Just wait a couple of days when Biden also starts testing positive and we declare Covid-19 the new POTUS. /s

TheCasualties · Oct 3, 2020

Finally watched *most* of that shitshow. No surprise, trump doesn't know how debates work or what a moderator is. It's just another reality show to him. "Ratings were good". lmao no shit it was a presidential debate!

Totally in support of a mute button. It's not right to talk over the opponent in a debate. Guess he never did youth legislature or model UN.. I've seen 15 year olds know how debates work, but he defiled the whole thing.

Really I wish the Libertarian and Green Parties got a podium but whatever. 2 party system is fucked. Anyways...

That was a huge embarrassment to both the presidential seat and the republican party. They should feel ashamed.

And WTF was that about saying "stand back and stand by" to the 'proud boy' bitches? Wow. He's trying to instigate shootings.. Good lord how can anyone feel "good" about this dude?

SG854 · Oct 3, 2020

notimp said:
Ratings were down. Thankfully.

On Big Main News Channels which people are sick of already, but views on other sources are up like smaller youtube channels. People are looking at memes on it. They're in it for the entertainment value.

UltraSUPRA · Oct 3, 2020

TheCasualties said:
Finally watched *most* of that shitshow. No surprise, trump doesn't know how debates work or what a moderator is. It's just another reality show to him. "Ratings were good". lmao no shit it was a presidential debate!

Totally in support of a mute button. It's not right to talk over the opponent in a debate. Guess he never did youth legislature or model UN.. I've seen 15 year olds know how debates work, but he defiled the whole thing.

Really I wish the Libertarian and Green Parties got a podium but whatever. 2 party system is fucked. Anyways...

That was a huge embarrassment to both the presidential seat and the republican party. They should feel ashamed.

And WTF was that about saying "stand back and stand by" to the 'proud boy' bitches? Wow. He's trying to instigate shootings.. Good lord how can anyone feel "good" about this dude?

"Would you shut up, man?"

-Joseph Biden

Deleted User · Oct 12, 2020

Hanafuda said:
The Proud Boys aren't white supremacists anyway. Extremists maybe, but not white supremacists.

Meanwhile proudboys were at the 2017 united the right rally. Which very similar rhetoric to a KKK rally was used.
Oh and was set up by Jason Kessler. A white supremacist.
You sure you want to continue arguing proud boys aren't white supremacists?

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Oh and this might be something you want to see
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proud_Boys#Counter-terrorism_and_extremism_intelligence_reports

omgcat · Oct 12, 2020

UltraSUPRA said:
"Would you shut up, man?"

-Joseph Biden

the line that resonated with the world.

like trump interrupted the moderator and Biden more times in that debate than the autistic children in my summer camp interrupted class in the 8 weeks i taught.

71 interruptions in 90 minutes is one interruption every 1:16, for 90 minutes.

22 interruptions for Biden is an interruption once every 4:05 for 90 minutes.

a good majority of Biden's interruptions was because he was shorted time from trump's Interruptions.

Trump's behavior could be explained in 2 ways, either he was incessantly interrupting Biden to make his stutter worse, or the president has the mentality of a 11 year old. the first option is malicious, the second option is just sad.

Deleted User · Oct 12, 2020

People are treating this like a sport/contest/reality show rather than take it seriously. It saddens me that Ron Paul never had the chance to become a U.S. President and now he's retired.

There are very, very few politicians I respect and cherish and Mr. Ron Paul is one of them (and Jesse Ventura).

Sigh. This is kinda depressing that the two options are either Trump or Biden. So much for democracy.

KingVamp · Oct 12, 2020

omgcat said:
the line that resonated with the world.

Including "I'm speaking."

omgcat said:
Trump's behavior could be explained in 2 ways, either he was incessantly interrupting Biden to make his stutter worse, or the president has the mentality of a 11 year old. the first option is malicious, the second option is just sad.

How about both?

Foxi4 · Oct 12, 2020

monkeyman4412 said:
Meanwhile proudboys were at the 2017 united the right rally. Which very similar rhetoric to a KKK rally was used.
Oh and was set up by Jason Kessler. A white supremacist.
You sure you want to continue arguing proud boys aren't white supremacists?

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Oh and this might be something you want to see
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proud_Boys#Counter-terrorism_and_extremism_intelligence_reports

The Proud Boys are not white supremacists, they're western chauvinists. In fact, one if their top leaders, Enrique Tarrio, is a black latino originally from Cuba. He's also the director of Latinos for Trump. I'm sure that some members espouse white supremacist views, but that's not the organisation's creed, and never has been. They're often lumped with white supremacists due to their opposition to Islam, more specifically Sharia law, as well as their rejection of the concept of "white guilt". If anything, you could accuse them of "western exceptionalism", but that's more associated with culture, not race. They still don't shy away from going fisticuffs against their opposition and you probably wouldn't want to associate with them, but get your hate facts straight - Colorado clearly hasn't in their designation.

Deleted User · Oct 12, 2020

Foxi4 said:
The Proud Boys are not white supremacists, they're western chauvinists. In fact, one if their top leaders, Enrique Tarrio, is a black latino originally from Cuba. He's also the director of Latinos for Trump. I'm sure that some members espouse white supremacist views, but that's not the organisation's creed, and never has been. They're often lumped with white supremacists due to their opposition to Islam, more specifically Sharia law, as well as their rejection of the concept of "white guilt". If anything, you could accuse them of "western exceptionalism", but that's more associated with culture, not race. They still don't shy away from going fisticuffs against their opposition and you probably wouldn't want to associate with them, but get your hate facts straight - Colorado clearly hasn't in their designation.

think I'll just put this here.

Foxi4 · Oct 12, 2020

monkeyman4412 said:
think I'll just put this here.

The most dangerous ideology the Proud Boys espouse is the whole "no fap" thing which I just don't get. Sounds cringe and virgin AF. Other than that I don't have a huge problem with them, I certainly don't see them looting businesses and setting them on fire - that's actually criminal. With that being said, extremes on both sides of the aisle should generally be avoided - if someone's *that* straight edge one way or the other, something's not quite right with them.

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