Who won the first presidential debate?

pustal · Oct 2, 2020

ForgotWhoIam said:
You can't be that stupid. Emails about eating actual pizza. You're a waste of time there's no way you actually even believe that bullshit. It wasn't just about child sex ring either there was talk of Hilary committing treason and a lot of the emails were destroyed. It was swept under the rug. And all your favorite Liberal News WERE covering it so you're pretty much admitting they're all discredited.

But I get it you're a hardcore liberal and not even from this country. I'm wasting my own time with you.

Because it's not natural to go for pizza? And it is perfectability expected that already filthy rich and high profile people are messed in a sexual exploration scheme? Do you read out loud what you write? If you tell me that Bill probably had sex with a late teen but possibly underage girl in Epstein's island, sure, I can see that. But to have an entire operation that would risk their positions for something they already have over saying they go out for pizza? Come on. The low effort on these conspiracies is laughable.

I'm not a hardcore anything. I'm a reasonable person. I'm not the one saying that going for pizza literally means selling a kid for sex. That's hardcore nuts.

notimp · Oct 2, 2020

ForgotWhoIam said:
It wasn't just about child sex ring either there was talk of Hilary committing treason and a lot of the emails were destroyed.

Grant you one point, there where emails that were destroyed, most likely. The whole point of running an email server in your own home, instead of on the state email system is to make that possible/easier.

Now you deliver on 'Hillary has committed hight treason' (source please), and tell, why this and pizzagate are the only things you got out of the email controversy.

And what made the Clinton thing different to the Ivanka thing:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46377563
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/11/28/18116326/ivanka-trump-emails-hillary-clinton-gma

And when you end up at the answer (which is propaganda btw),you tell us, ok?

Seriously, when you throw arround things like, a presidential candidate commited high treason, provide a src. Pls. So we can understand where you are coming from.

UltraDolphinRevolution · Oct 2, 2020

The emails are still on the web. They are obviously not about pizza. Who knows what they are about, but it is obviously symbolic language. There is no excuse to remain that naive. Just read them yourself.

Deleted User · Oct 2, 2020

Nah I'm not going to put the time in effort into providing things that you hardcore democrats will just try to discredit which is only REAL point in trying to get me to find all the links and post them here. If you REALLY care, you can do the research yourself. You're living in a world that's not reality, and you seem to be happy with it. It's not my job to try to wake up you. I mean you believe world leaders need to make dates for actual pizza with pepperoni and cheese through email. You're clearly beyond reproach. There were other code words as well that would make no sense if they actual meant what they were saying. It's ok though, keep taking the blue pill. The red pill you can't handle.

UltraDolphinRevolution · Oct 2, 2020

Anyone who reads the emails and thinks they are actually about pizza, probably also thinks that "laying the pipe" is actually about plumbing in certain types of movies.

Again, we are not in the 1400s and speculating what is written in the bible. Just look it up yourself with a few clicks.

Deleted User · Oct 2, 2020

UltraDolphinRevolution said:
Anyone who reads the emails and thinks they are actually about pizza, probably also thinks that "laying the pipe" is actually about plumbing in certain types of movies.

Again, we are not in the 1400s and speculating what is written in the bible. Just look it up yourself with a few clicks.

source please. people are morons, so just give a source to show how moronic we are

wartutor · Oct 2, 2020

monkeyman4412 said:
source please. people are morons, so just give a source to show how moronic we are

Omg told to look it up and still insist on a source so here i did the hard part for your lazy ass https://www.google.com/search?sourc...gEDOS4xmAEAoAEBsAEA&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-hp

Deleted User · Oct 2, 2020

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-email...o=&nofrom=&noto=&count=50&sort=6#searchresult

0% chance any of you actually do the research though. You would actually have to dig deep into all the pages to find the juicy stuff. I know and you know you aren't going to. You know and I know you didn't ask for the links to be proven wrong. You asked to try to discredit and you can't do that unless you spend a week. I'm not going to play the gotcha game with you though where I post something pretty obviously a criminal email and you just deny it, then use that to discredit the entire 1174 pages of emails. That's already clearly been happening in this thread with other stuff and I'm not playing that game. Either do the research or shut up about it.

If you REALLY care there is an advanced search option where you can type key words. But that's the last I'm saying about it because it's just an endless circle of accusations then denials. You wanted the emails you got em.

gregory-samba · Oct 2, 2020

wartutor said:
Omg told to look it up and still insist on a source so here i did the hard part for your lazy ass https://www.google.com/search?sourc...gEDOS4xmAEAoAEBsAEA&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-hp

Today's Democratic Liberals are so spoon fed and entitled they can't even be bothered to work a search engine. It's like if there's not a URL handed to them something just doesn't exist. Sorry, but not everything is on the Internet and people need to stop being so fucking lazy. If Switch homebrew programming worked the same way these Liberals do in this forum, nothing would ever get made.

UltraSUPRA · Oct 2, 2020

gregory-samba said:
Today's Democratic Liberals are so spoon fed and entitled they can't even be bothered to work a search engine. It's like if there's not a URL handed to them something just doesn't exist. Sorry, but not everything is on the Internet and people need to stop being so fucking lazy. If Switch homebrew programming worked the same way these Liberals do in this forum, nothing would ever get made.

In their defense, I act the same way.

notimp · Oct 2, 2020

ForgotWhoIam said:
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-email...o=&nofrom=&noto=&count=50&sort=6#searchresult

0% chance any of you actually do the research though.

You must be kidding or insane. You just linked to the wikileads dump of emails showing 58660 individual results, and then said 'do your research' on why I called something in there 'Clinton committing high treason'.

We ask for sources, so someone cant pull what you just tried. "I have the trough in my head, to me its obvious I just cant explain or show it to anyone else".

Please, once more - show us a src for why Clinton committed high treason.

edit: Apparently this should be the proof?
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/press-release

UltraDolphinRevolution · Oct 2, 2020

notimp said:
wikileads dump of emails showing 58660 individual results

If I was able to read the pizza Emails in China back when they were news, I am sure you can as well. Pizzagate was never disproven (as the media claimed). I was only disproven that a specific pizzeria had anything to do with it. The emails - the core of the argument - remain. We don´t know for sure what the code words really mean. Maybe it has nothing to do with children. But that´s the job of journalists. Unfortunately they don´t exist.

notimp · Oct 2, 2020

UltraDolphinRevolution said:
If I was able to read the pizza Emails in China back when they were news, I am sure you can as well. Pizzagate was never disproven (as the media claimed). I was only disproven that a specific pizzeria had anything to do with it. The emails - the core of the argument - remain. We don´t know for sure what the code words really mean. Maybe it has nothing to do with children. But that´s the job of journalists. Unfortunately they don´t exist.

Dude, I did parsable ereader versions for the diplomatic cable leaks and read maybe one third of them myself to get a notion for how that sort of communication works. I have no effing interest to do that in the case of an alleged sex trafficing ring that lead to a debunked conspiracy theory.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pizzagate_conspiracy_theory

I'm not that mentally ill and in need of something to puzzle together, that billionaires eat children.

Also this is sidetracking to the freaking question asked. What made you think that Clinton committed high treason (and was never subsequently charged?). If a response to that question you link me 60k emails, you are either trolling, or insane.

edit:

How networks of power work, and what element alleged 'sexual intercourse with pigs heads', or similar 'rites' play is pretty understandable, without supplementing 'some element that could lead to 'mutually ensured social destruction of members' with - has to be kiddy pron. I dont need to read too many bad conspiracy theories, that are trying to tell me, no with billionaires its kiddy pron or nothing. Because, billionaires. The heck.

On the other hand, looking more into alleged associations of Epstein with national security agencies, if you have allegedly compromised heads of state, I'd find 'potentially interesting'. Or simply put, the 'get out of jail for free' card of Epstein spanning almost decades is - kind of odd...
edit: roughly: https://www.thedailybeast.com/jeffr...ent-informant-as-part-of-sweetheart-plea-deal

UltraDolphinRevolution · Oct 2, 2020

notimp said:
What made you think that Clinton committed high treason (and was never subsequently charged?).

I haven´t made that claim. I responded to the naive claim that the mails were actually about pizza. I don´t know what they were about, child abuse is one possibilty.

notimp · Oct 2, 2020

Sorry, liked too early. Child abuse is one possibility?

What are you smoking?

Other possibility could be that they were about carpentering? How can you be 'unsure' about stuff like that? Oh, because you made up an entire freaking tale about the term cheese pizza being code for child pornography, and then analyzed the entire thing from that perspective?

Sure - why not get a few other children gamers into that made up tale, have them think that democrats are the devil, and have them part of your fringe cults for all times. Your 8chan founders have to make a living too!

Flipping hell.

Then on top of that - you string them on, by not posting analysis of that complex (and you have the entire media ecosystem to do so - post your rightwing blogs if you have them), no - you tell people that "they should google" (what? child abuse, cheesy pizza?) and reference the 'legend' of 60k emails, you know that no one is going to parse. So they google. Search terms, which right wing fringe groups have popularized, and therefore high rankings for. And they find an entry to a rabbit hole, of a flipping group disassociating young people from a reality where they can trust a media infrastructure, and have at least two parties they could vote for.

Sell them on mystery - cash in on adviews. You know that those are the stories that spread fastest on flipping 'no ones regulating' social media.

Abuse human weakness, popularize it on a gaming forum, why not. Dont care about the conversations those people will have in society following your believes.

linuxares · Oct 2, 2020

The entertainment industry.

notimp · Oct 2, 2020

linuxares said:
The entertainment industry.

Ratings were down. Thankfully.

UltraDolphinRevolution · Oct 2, 2020

notimp said:
Sorry, liked too early. Child abuse is one possibility?

What are you smoking?

Other possibility could be that they were about carpentering? How can you be 'unsure' about stuff like that? Oh, because you made up an entire freaking tale about the term cheese pizza being code for child pornography, and then analyzed the entire thing from that perspective?

Yes, child abuse is a possibilty, carpeting is not. Nobody needs to conceal carpeting. Things people conceal are drugs, child abuse and other illegal or morally questionable activities.
We know these things are going on (see Saxony in Germany or Epstein´s case in the USA and beyond). Where there is power, there is corruption.
But you haven´t even acknowledged that East Asian parents are more likely to birth East Asian children, so I am not surprised regarding your level of self-delusion.

Some people tend to go overboard and are convinced of ritual sacrifices etc. This is simply the other extreme of your naivity.

notimp · Oct 2, 2020

UltraDolphinRevolution said:
Yes, child abuse is a possibilty, carpeting is not. Nobody needs to conceal carpeting. Things people conceal are drugs, child abuse and other illegal or morally questionable activities.

You have a bunch of leaked emails, due to spear fishing.

First thought is -- no, whats in there is too plain, they HAVE to conceal something!

Why dont they use encryption? Whoo, all evidence gone...

No they have to use coded language using a code so easy to decifer, that random person on 8chan can do it - it was child porn all along, we knew it - which is what happened.

What is your idea based on that there were messages conceiled in there, hidden in plain sight, dont you seee?!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pizzagate_conspiracy_theory#Debunking

UltraDolphinRevolution · Oct 2, 2020

notimp said:
No they have to use coded language using a code so easy to decifer, that random person on 8chan can do it - it was child porn all along, we knew it - which is what happened.

I am not on 8chan or 4chan. I don´t read blogs. I have not told people to "google" anything and I have not talked of "child porn". I merely stated that leaked Podesta emails can be read in their original form thanks to Wikileaks and that they are obviously not talking about pizza. So no, carpeting is out (why would you use coded language for carpeting?) and child abuse is still a possibility.

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