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Who won the first presidential debate?

Who won?

  • Trump

    Votes: 48 38.1%

  • Biden

    Votes: 78 61.9%
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What matters are the independent voters that are just trying to get by, not the hard core Republicans or Dems. The dynamic of this race is entirely different from 2016. This is a different shit show. If we look back at 2016 Trump he was arguing for Universal Healthcare, ending NAFTA, and took some of Bernie's policies. In some ways he was arguing that he was left of Hillary, despite the fact that he was clearly lying and contradicted himself all the time. But in 2016 he was actually speaking to those regular folks struggling to get by and there were a lot of people that were hurting and needed change and were willing to risk it on Trump. Now in 2020, Trump isn't speaking to those people anymore, he is hardcore culture war and appealing to the farthest right people. He has 4 years under his belt in which the economy has imploded and unemployment is past 20% with more than 30% not able to pay rent right now. Costs have skyrocketed and the US has had more deaths from the coronavirus than any other country on the planet. He needed to secure those independents that pushed him over in the last election and he did the exact opposite of that last night. Biden, despite being terrible in his own ways literally just has to avoid appearances and do nothing from now until the election day and he will most likely win.
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Yeah any president would be facing those numbers or worse. There's been this thing called the coronavirus maybe you haven't heard. Before then best economy ever. Try not to be so biased. Blaming Trump for the unemployment numbers is plain ignorant and they're dropping significantly even since the 2nd quarter of the year.
 
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ForgotWhoIam said:
Yeah any president would be facing those numbers or worse. There's been this thing called the coronavirus maybe you haven't heard. Before then best economy ever. Try not to be so biased. Blaming Trump for the unemployment numbers is plain ignorant and they're dropping significantly even since the 2nd quarter of the year.
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They are not directly Trump's fault but the result of his failure to lead the country properly during a pandemic. Other countries are not seeing unemployment rate spikes like the USA is. Europe as a continent has remained at a steady unemployment rate, and some countries such as France have fallen. The United States is one of the only countries that has spiked like this. I'm sure someone will respond to this post with an excuse as to why it is so much higher. That's the result of delaying a lockdown and not taking decisive action in a dire situation. But they are indeed falling, which is a good sign.

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They are not directly Trump's fault but the result of his failure to lead the country properly during a pandemic. Other countries are not seeing unemployment rate spikes like the USA is. Europe as a continent has remained at a steady unemployment rate, and some countries such as France have fallen. The United States is one of the only countries that has spiked like this. I'm sure someone will respond to this post with an excuse as to why it is so much higher. That's the result of delaying a lockdown and not taking decisive action in a dire situation. But they are indeed falling, which is a good sign.

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He locked down in March not long after Biden called him a racist for locking out China. In February Dr Fauci said the virus wasn't serious. This was the guy in charge Trump is not a doctor and he listened to him and locked down the country when requested to. You're saying though that if he locked down sooner unemployment would not be as high that makes no sense it was the fact that there was a lockdown that unemployment sky rocketed having it earlier would not have changed a thing. There was nothing else Trump could have done to stop unemployment from skyrocketing. It would have happened under any president holding a lockdown.

It would make more sense if you were arguing about the amount of deaths but saying we should have lockdown earlier to prevent unemployment makes absolutely no sense at all. That's what a lockdown does it shuts businesses down and inevitably forces businesses to die or lay people off.

You seem to think lockdowns cure all but if Biden wins and locks us down again the economy will collapse. He seems to be in favor of it too. I honestly don't care about other countries because if a President says lock down the country and they end up with more unemployment than other countries I mean that's not in their control it's a lockdown a business can lay people off because there isn't income coming in. You're the one praising lockdowns and the fallout cannot be controlled. Those numbers may double if there's another lockdown. I'm sure if we were under Biden we'd still be under the same lockdown and the economic hit would be absolutely devastating. I know businesses personally that will shut down instantly if there's another lockdown. They're holding on by a thread as it is.
 
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I don't care who the President is we can't have another lockdown. This virus while a little more dangerous than the flu mostly for the elderly is not causing people to die all over the streets. Keep social distancing keep wearing masks as long as it takes, but another lockdown would devastate the country.

I remember the estimation when the virus first hit America was 2 million deaths, so far there's been 200,000. In my book, that tells me Trump has done an excellent job handling the virus.
 
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Disregarding independents for the moment, the death of RBG, Trumps SC choice, the risk to the ACA, and a bad covid response has energized democratic voters to levels we haven't seen since 2008. Trump won 2016 by VERY slim margins. if Young people vote in numbers similar to 2008, trump is fucked. full stop. on top of that, trump has lost a ton of female voters because of the RBG shenanigans, and Anti-choice sentiment. Trump is also starting to lose support of the elderly who are pissed that he said it was OK to sacrifice them for the economy, and threatened social security.

non-voters are being energized on the left like crazy, because abortion rights and healthcare is at risk.

older voters are being pushed towards Biden because they do not like how trump is acting, and trump has threatened social security and medicare.

the key race to watch is PA, because if Biden takes PA, Biden has around a 94% chance to win the electoral college. if Trump wins PA, Trump has around an 85% chance at winning the electoral college.

There have been more than 1,000,000 votes cast so far, up from 15,000 cast around the same time in 2016. people actually care this election.

I will update with more info as i get it.
 
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I'm not going to sit here and say I know Trump will win because I don't. But I do think this election is NOT about how great Biden is. It's Trump vs I hate Trump. Very few people and no people with any sense actual think Biden would be a great President. He's got one foot in the grave.
 
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Why did Biden won tho, in the vote polls? What did he promise?
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Nothing, like I said it's Trump vs I hate Trump. A lot of people hate Trump. It's not about how good Biden is. Even his voters mostly know he'd be a bad president but they just want anyone but Trump. They drink the CNN koolaid who admits they lie about Trump.
 
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Yeah Dems should have talked her into retiring under Obama. Too bad so sad.
 
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There have been more than 1,000,000 votes cast so far, up from 15,000 cast around the same time in 2016. people actually care this election.
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Yeah, I'm sure that has nothing at all due to the Corana virus, and people not wanting to wait in line to vote.

Also, I look forward to the Pence/Harris debate more.
 
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Viri said:
Yeah, I'm sure that has nothing at all due to the Corana virus, and people not wanting to wait in line to vote.

Also, I look forward to the Pence/Harris debate more.
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i agree, it should be interesting. I wonder if "mother" will even let pence debate a woman.

also, speaking of pence, where the hell has he been these 3+ years? like the guy a is a ghost.
 
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