Widespread reports of RTX 3080 and 3090 Cards Crashing

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There have been more and more reports circulating around the internet over the last few days reporting that a wide range of Nvidia RTX 3080 and 3090 graphics cards are experiencing crashes to desktop while gaming. A investigation by the igors Lab website has found that the issue may be caused by bad power delivery due to the type of capacitors some third party manufacturers have used in their production. It is theorised that when boosting past 2.0 GHz clock speeds, cards that have excluded MLCC capacitors, Multi Layer Ceramic Chip Capacitors, are more prone to crashes. Teardowns have shown that some cards in the series from third parties only use cheaper POSCAP style capacitors (Conductive Polymer Tantalum Solid Capacitors) on the back of the GPU. Nvidia's founders edition card and more high end cards use a mix of the two types of capacitors. It is being speculated that just having one MLCC capacitor out of the six capacitors on the back of the GPU can negate crashes completely.

Most third party manufacturers have not yet commented on the issue. But on their forums EVGA released the following statement which pretty much confirms the theories that have been circulating.

"During our mass production QC testing we discovered a full 6 POSCAPs solution cannot pass the real world applications testing. It took almost a week of R&D effort to find the cause and reduce the POSCAPs to 4 and add 20 MLCC caps prior to shipping production boards, this is why the EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 series was delayed at launch. There were no 6 POSCAP production EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 boards shipped.

But, due to the time crunch, some of the reviewers were sent a pre-production version with 6 POSCAP’s, we are working with those reviewers directly to replace their boards with production versions.
EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 XC3 series with 5 POSCAPs + 10 MLCC solution is matched with the XC3 spec without issues"


What does this mean for people who already have received their cards? There has been no word regarding a recall just yet. But If you are experiencing crashes a slight underclock may help. Likely some kind of BIOs upgrade to affected cards will utilise a similar fix to patch the problem, but will disappointingly slow down your cards boost clock in the process.

For those like myself who have their card on pre-order if you can confirm your chosen card has MLCC capacitors you should be relatively safe. If your card only contains POSCAP capacitors you would be better off cancelling your order, and waiting to see if this issue is fixable without underclocking or having a product recall.

:arrow: Link to Igors Lab Article on the Issue
:arrow: EVGA Forum Statement
 

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Yeah, getting new hardware on launch day is totally a good idea

- Said no one ever :lol:
I typically wait for the refresh. You get higher clocks and smaller cards most of the time.
 

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Gbatemp: this is why you dont preorder, you get buggy products that crash and dont work well
Also gbatemp: i just preordered the ps5!!!!

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i couldn't care less about the 3080/90 i'm waiting for the 2080 ti cards to come down
... you could just get a 3070
 

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Reports coming in that Nvidia's latest driver update possibly fixed this issue. It seems the issue wasn't "bad capacitors" necessarily, the issue was with a ton of fluctuations in voltages as the card swaps between "normal" clocks and boost clocks. The reason different caps might have "helped" is because those caps could better handle the huge sweeps in voltage during workloads...but as reported by various people on Reddit and such, even cards with the "better" MLCC caps were having crashes (although less often). The reason underclocking and undervolting "fixed" the CTDs is because the voltage was no longer going through these big fluctuations all the time.

You can actually fix it yourself by setting your voltage on your 3080 to max out at 1v when at 2ghz (and supposedly you can push it to 1.1v and go higher, if you wanted to).

I ran my Zotac 3080 (the one with all the "shit" caps) at 2030mhz for the last hour now in a few games, haven't experienced any crash whereas beforehand it would crash basically instantly.
 
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Gbatemp: this is why you dont preorder, you get buggy products that crash and dont work well
Also gbatemp: i just preordered the ps5!!!!

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... you could just get a 3070
I highly doubt the 3070 will match 2080 ti performance. Nvidia lied about 3080 and 3090 performance. 3080 didn't turn out to be double the performance of 2080. The used cherry picked data for that result.
 
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I highly doubt the 3070 will match 2080 ti performance. Nvidia lied about 3080 and 3090 performance. 3080 didn't turn out to be double the performance of 2080. The used cherry picked data for that result.
And the 1.9x perf/watt is entirely made up too. That's way too good to be true.

How ironic on what Jensen said about it's safe for his Pascal friends to upgrade. Yeah no, fuck that. My 1080Ti will stay for a few more years.
 

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honestly the way things are going still a lot more attractive and interesting than this next gens console offerings
and i say that as a lifelong console gamer
 

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And the 1.9x perf/watt is entirely made up too. That's way too good to be true.

How ironic on what Jensen said about it's safe for his Pascal friends to upgrade. Yeah no, fuck that. My 1080Ti will stay for a few more years.
I think Nvdia feels threatened. The Next gen consoles are very powerful machines. Price to performance on them can't be beat. The 30 series announcement was right before console pre orders so they are obviously trying to compete with them more then AMD's RDNA 2 pc gpus.

Consoles are a better value then getting a standalone 3070. If your only concerned with games you get cpu, gpu, ram, controller all for $500 compared to $500 just for one pc component the gpu. The fact that Nvdia had to lie this bad to try to push as many units tells me they are threatened.

Im interested in AMD's offering how it compares to 30 series gpus. They have a chance to not screw up like Nvidia and get more praise as long as the hardware is Excellent.
 
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