Widespread reports of RTX 3080 and 3090 Cards Crashing

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There have been more and more reports circulating around the internet over the last few days reporting that a wide range of Nvidia RTX 3080 and 3090 graphics cards are experiencing crashes to desktop while gaming. A investigation by the igors Lab website has found that the issue may be caused by bad power delivery due to the type of capacitors some third party manufacturers have used in their production. It is theorised that when boosting past 2.0 GHz clock speeds, cards that have excluded MLCC capacitors, Multi Layer Ceramic Chip Capacitors, are more prone to crashes. Teardowns have shown that some cards in the series from third parties only use cheaper POSCAP style capacitors (Conductive Polymer Tantalum Solid Capacitors) on the back of the GPU. Nvidia's founders edition card and more high end cards use a mix of the two types of capacitors. It is being speculated that just having one MLCC capacitor out of the six capacitors on the back of the GPU can negate crashes completely.

Most third party manufacturers have not yet commented on the issue. But on their forums EVGA released the following statement which pretty much confirms the theories that have been circulating.

"During our mass production QC testing we discovered a full 6 POSCAPs solution cannot pass the real world applications testing. It took almost a week of R&D effort to find the cause and reduce the POSCAPs to 4 and add 20 MLCC caps prior to shipping production boards, this is why the EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 series was delayed at launch. There were no 6 POSCAP production EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 boards shipped.

But, due to the time crunch, some of the reviewers were sent a pre-production version with 6 POSCAP’s, we are working with those reviewers directly to replace their boards with production versions.
EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 XC3 series with 5 POSCAPs + 10 MLCC solution is matched with the XC3 spec without issues"


What does this mean for people who already have received their cards? There has been no word regarding a recall just yet. But If you are experiencing crashes a slight underclock may help. Likely some kind of BIOs upgrade to affected cards will utilise a similar fix to patch the problem, but will disappointingly slow down your cards boost clock in the process.

For those like myself who have their card on pre-order if you can confirm your chosen card has MLCC capacitors you should be relatively safe. If your card only contains POSCAP capacitors you would be better off cancelling your order, and waiting to see if this issue is fixable without underclocking or having a product recall.

:arrow: Link to Igors Lab Article on the Issue
:arrow: EVGA Forum Statement
 

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ASUS can...do a lot of things, because I could not use my desktop PC for months due to the mobo fucking up on me. Thankfully, ASRock hasn't let me down yet!
i've never had one problem with the asus crosshair range. been using them since IV. have crosshair vi hero now still going strong. even had one in my vpx pinball cab before i sold it
 
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Heh. Normally they send out whizzbang highly tweaked things to beta testers and reviewers so the kids buy them expecting overclocks they will never reach.

Anyway they sound like utter rubbish. Accordingly the FAST6191 electronics recycling program is available for those troubled by this. They shall have their parts stripped off and used in other things, possibly to act as a component in the exhibition of some of the finest modern art.
 

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i've never had one problem with the asus crosshair range. been using them since IV. have crosshair vi hero now still going strong. even had one in my vpx pinball cab before i sold it

Mind you, this was one of their mini-ITX motherboards for the Intel 8000-series CPU's from 2018 when the i7-8700k was the newest kid on the Intel block that was the best option at the time. Maybe their ATX lineup is better maintained.
 

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ASUS can...do a lot of things, because I could not use my desktop PC for months due to the mobo fucking up on me. Thankfully, ASRock hasn't let me down yet!
Isnt Asrock owned by ASUS?

Currently im on Asrock and just recently I got a BSOD which didnt let me do anything (safe mode was not possible). It fiirst stared when I load games and half of the HUD was missing, audio stopped playing, game freezes at end (during loading). All the time I was thinking it was due to faulty RAM, faulty HDD, later thinking a faulty Asrock MBO.... I mean there were some indicators to blame them all, I checked every damn component multiple times and found no issues (zero), I was lost and confused like never before. Turned out the Win 10 2004 messed everything up, thankfully I could revert back to previous Windows 10 version, build 1909 (used system restore).

Later, I faced similar issues on a second Win10 PC, after normal shutdown I couldnt boot my PC up but system restore helped me again (by this time I know it was probably because of Windows).

BTW im still on build 1909, dont know if they fixed the 2004 build. I almost accused Asrock for all of it (you know, people s*** talking at Asrock blah bllah thinking they were right) but turns out, that was back then where Asrock had some issues, now its completely stable, peopel just kept **** talking to this day.
 
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I pre oreder Inno3D GeForce RTX 3080 Twin X2 OC 10GB GDDR6X
Not known if it have the black thingies or not.

I hope not. This is the ONLY card that will fit in my case due to being 27 cm. I will not buy a new case. that's annoying as fk.
 

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ASUS can...do a lot of things, because I could not use my desktop PC for months due to the mobo fucking up on me. Thankfully, ASRock hasn't let me down yet!
Oh boy, did I have an opposite experience to you. I remember buying an ASRock mobo back in the Socket 478 days and it gave up the ghost within the first week of operation. Never bought a thing from them again. My ASUS laptop is still chuggin' some ten years down the line with the only flaw being cracked plastic here and there from me tossing it around in my backpack.
 

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Yeah, I'm still waiting for the new Ryzens before I go card shopping, by that time they should work out the kinks. Sucks to pay hundreds of dollaridoos to be a beta tester though. I wonder what the final DOA rate will be.
Isnt that basically windows 10? paying $150+ for a beta?
 

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Isnt that basically windows 10? paying $150+ for a beta?
Who paid anything for the spyware that windows 10 is? They gave it away for free for years, pretty sure it still is free somewhow. You could even just install a cracked license on 7 and update to 10..
 

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