[POLL] 2020 U.S. Presidential Election

KingVamp · Sep 24, 2020

gregory-samba said:
How about we start with the fact she studied under a Marxist Community Organizer in Chicago called Saul Alinsky (nice write up/primer here). She even did her college pro-communism thesis on him, in fact, 97 pages long. And of course, she had secret service agents go put it under lock and key so it wouldn't hurt her or her husband back when he was running for President.

Well, I don't want to derail the thread on rather that site and that information is trustworthy or not. So I'll just say, if she is some kind of "secret communist/socialist", she is bad at being one.

gregory-samba said:
Hillary Clinton also endorses Joe Biden for President and all of the 2020 Presidential Candidates held debates where passing socialistic policies were their main promises to their potential voter base. Sarcasm, socialism, and stupidity are her native languages.

By "socialistic" policies, I guess you mean stuff like universal healthcare? You mean polities that other counties have and are better on without turning into communistic or socialistic countries?

Foxi4 · Sep 24, 2020

shamzie said:
It was uneccessary to say fetuses aren't children but somehow it's always one side of the argument getting censored. Imagine my shock.

We have a good few trans members on the board, we have zero members who are fetuses. It wasn't necessarily a bad argument, I understand where you were going with it, but the condition is not classified like that anymore. Whether the change in classification was a matter of new evidence or new cultural norms is not an estimation I can make, I just enforce the rules. Please be respectful of people's identity and orientation, it costs you nothing. That, and I think we've moved on from the subject at this stage. Permanently. Nobody's learning anything new and nobody's budging, plus it has nothing to do with the election, so let's make an effort to stay on-topic.

Foxi4 · Sep 24, 2020

@notimp, if you think that you're bulletproof right now on the basis of some actions made against me, you're going to be very disappointed. If I see you flaming one more time, you won't get another chance to do so. You're not moderating this forum - I am. Remember that.

UltraDolphinRevolution · Sep 24, 2020

Shouldn´t the judicial branch be above party politics? (see supreme court members)

Foxi4 · Sep 24, 2020

UltraDolphinRevolution said:
Shouldn´t the judicial branch be above party politics? (see supreme court members)

In theory, Supreme Court justices should be above any form of party politics and completely unbiased. One of the measures deployed to ensure that they are impartial is the fact that they have lifetime terms, meaning they don't have to appease anyone to stay on the court - they *are* the court, in perpetuity. In practice, Republican judges tend to be more conservative and Democrat judges tend to be more liberal, as far as values are concerned. It's also the battle between "textualism" (law as it is written and when it was written) and "living document" ("spirit" of the law, meaning evolving over time etc.), so it's not just the values of the nominees that are different, it's the way they treat the law and interpret it that's different.

notimp · Sep 24, 2020

Foxi4 said:
@notimp, if you think that you're bulletproof right now on the basis of some actions made against me, you're going to be very disappointed. If I see you flaming one more time, you won't get another chance to do so. You're not moderating this forum - I am. Remember that.

Reported as a threat.

Reasoning: It is entirely impossible to partisipate in this forum if you have the threat of a moderator banning you at your next 'flaming' instance hanging over your head, if this moderator is posting political aggitation postings one after the other - having to face no consequences.

I stand up against you and against people wanting to flood this thread with 'Babykiller' messaging, as you don't - but this will not end well.

You are unfit to moderate this forum, and I have no interest to.

There is no political discussion possible in this forum, because all that people want to exchange are insults, that are tied to not liking the right public persona. I intentionally didn't mention anyone personally, but the statement, that people are posting Trump talking points, the day after one of his speeches in here - versbetum, is a fact. And I'm not talking about the ones where it would make sense to discuss them, but the ones that are pure spin.

And 'Babykilling' is not something american people will decide on in the next election.

If I cant say anything like this - then maybe just the usual -- When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty.

Because otherwise, this forum becomes spreading aggitation messaging against a perceived political opponent, and not reacting to factual arguments at all. And you contributed to this state of affairs personally.

The amount of times you posted 'gotcha' style postings against democrats in this forum in the past week is not insignificant. If you cant be impartial, if you dont do anything against people spreading highly emotional political falsehoods, if you promote attack language instead of discussion, all I like in regards to this forum goes down the drain.

And thanks for raising my warning level. Noted.

Foxi4 · Sep 24, 2020

notimp said:
Reported as a threat.

Reasoning: It is entirely possible to partisipate in this forum if you have the threat of a moderator banning you at your next 'flaming' instance hanging over your head, if this moderator is posting political aggitation postings one after the other - having to face no consequences.

It's not a threat, it's a fair warning. All you've done for the last couple of pages is call people names, ranging between the bog standard "idiot" to more creative ones like "effing human louse". I'm not going to let you do that. If you're unable to continue the discussion respectfully and within the confines of our rules, as well as simple rules of common decency, guess what? You won't be having it at all. Nobody, not people who disagree with you and not even people who agree with you want to read your abuse. Clean your act up, you're not above the rules, they apply to everyone.

notimp · Sep 24, 2020

This is the factual basis we now have to deal with 'Babykillers! vote correct this fall!" PR messaging for:

The bottom line is Democrats are still grappling with how to respond to McConnell’s controversial moves to shift the court to the right using whatever power he has. And even amid talk on the left of expanding the Supreme Court should they take power in November, it’s not clear the party is prepared to respond with explosive counter-measures.

[...]

Meanwhile, most Republican senators have quickly fallen in line behind an unnamed nominee, vowing to complete the confirmation as soon as possible. Many are simply shrugging off their own words from the past about allowing voters to decide election-year confirmations, eager to shift the court further to the right.

src: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/24/illegitimate-nominationdemocrats-snub-trumps-pick-420712

So not only dont the US people get to decide on the issue in any vote, the move to have the supreme court hung directly results in this in the future becoming more of an issue of institutional lobbying. And not only for four years, but potentially for fourty.

Not only havent you seen 'you shouldnt talk to the nominee, we should shun her from day one' messaging anywhere in this forum (thats the radical left position).

Now we have to take the insult, to listen to 'vote republican this fall - because you dont want Babykilling' PR spin in here until the end of the election season.

Not only is there no reason, or urgency that would make it understandable to have to hear it currently - in fact this is political activism that could last for the next 40 years, thanks to the supreme court positions being filled this year.

No, now I'm under serious risk of getting banned for openly confronting, and insisting that non of that is ok, to do in the 2020 election thread.

And that simply taking on party talking points, and fighting for them to be established with all your heart in here against an imagined 'opponent' is wrong as well. No you CANT say that. Think of all the people that would complain about flaming.

People were only combating identity politics in here for the past five pages, moderator included (that person said this, but no that person said that, and now this person finally got back in line and said this publically?) - and then people go out and vote on that basis?

gbatemp - the only forum, you get banned from for holding middle of the road positions and insisting that people spin trolling cant take over threads just on numbers alone.

Next I have to mount a reputational defense, why I'm pro choice, while having people make the new normal, that there is an ongoing democratic conspiracy in place, causing that we dont call people that go through with abortions KILLERS? And that fetus is not an ancient greek term at all, but invented by them babykillers?

Is there an end to this?

Why is the outcome of ALL of this - 'no, seriously, you cant call people idiot, when they are wrong three times in a row, still aggitational and confronting in attitude, and preaching in messaging, then get reputation pushed by the partial moderator - and then resort to try to get you banned - just for good measure?'

The word idiot was what was too much in here?

This only ever ends one way.

I'm getting BANNED for being sick of all this within the next week, and the alt right fraction in here rejoicing that they finally have no one in here that questions their mode of operation. Only on gbatemp.

Doran754 · Sep 24, 2020

notimp said:
I'm getting BANNED for being sick of all this within the next week, and the alt right fraction in here rejoicing that they finally have no one in here that questions their mode of operation. Only on gbatemp.

I wouldn't say im "Alt-right" but i definitely lean to the right and i just yesterday had my post removed. The post i was replying to was from a big time lefty like yourself. His post is still up, mine isn't. What are you even talking about? Theres a massive left wing bias on this forum. Stop making out like you're such a victim. You're not, you just like to make yourself out to be one. I made my complaint about my post being removed and censored (something which has never happened to you, despite how much of a victim you like to portray yourself out to be) and i read the moderators retort too it. I'd have preferred my post to stay but I understand the reasons it wasn't, It's not hard for you to do the same.

If you get banned, it's not because of some alt right faction rejoicing in having you removed, (if you hadn't noticed it's the right that are for free speech not censorship, thats your game) It's because of your own actions. Look in the mirror buddy.

notimp · Sep 24, 2020

shamzie said:
I wouldn't say im "Alt-right" but i definitely lean to the right and i just yesterday had my post removed. The post i was replying to was from a big time lefty like yourself. His post is still up, mine isn't. What are you even talking about? Theres a massive left wing bias on this forum. Stop making out like you're such a victim. You're not, you just like to make yourself out to be one. I made my complaint about my post being removed and censored (something which has never happened to you, despite how much of a victim you like to portray yourself out to be) and i read the moderators retort too it. I'd have preferred my post to stay but I understand the reasons it wasn't, It's not hard for you to do the same.

If you get banned, it's not because of some alt right faction rejoicing in having you removed, (if you hadn't noticed it's the right that are for free speech not censorship, thats your game) It's because of your own actions. Look in the mirror buddy.

Sorry - we have people in another thread currently actively saying - dont worry, I believe what the president was saying, and I checked that he was saying it, so dont you worry - and all people of the other political fraction are full of shit.

Without this being moderated at all.

You have a person on his personal crusade against Babykillers destroying conversation by interjecting higly emotional outrage bait, in the thrid thread in a row. Always bare of any argument. Ignoring any exchange of argument you tried to have with them.

Whitout this being moderated at all.

You have people bickering in this thread citing quotes of that pundit, or the other, only fighting over, when they fall back into party line, and oh - should they have said that? But that of course is very important information you all have to know before casting your vote. Spread by the moderator himself.

I'm sorry that your posting got moderated away, but that doest weigh out how absolutely impossible it has become to have any discussions in here at all.

I received three warning points today, at once, without ANY JUSTIFICATION GIVEN, right after I absolutely denounced a powerplay from a moderater that warned me 'that I should not feel invincible', which I reported as a threat. Warning points arrived after that.

You tell me if thats all proper, because one of your threads was deleted.

gregory-samba · Sep 24, 2020

shamzie said:
I wouldn't say im "Alt-right" but i definitely lean to the right and i just yesterday had my post removed. The post i was replying to was from a big time lefty like yourself. His post is still up, mine isn't. What are you even talking about? Theres a massive left wing bias on this forum. Stop making out like you're such a victim. You're not, you just like to make yourself out to be one. I made my complaint about my post being removed and censored (something which has never happened to you, despite how much of a victim you like to portray yourself out to be) and i read the moderators retort too it. I'd have preferred my post to stay but I understand the reasons it wasn't, It's not hard for you to do the same.

If you get banned, it's not because of some alt right faction rejoicing in having you removed, (if you hadn't noticed it's the right that are for free speech not censorship, thats your game) It's because of your own actions. Look in the mirror buddy.

There's an unwritten rule that applies to this and most other places that are full of Liberals. It is .... "Though must comply with the beliefs of Liberal gender politics and dissent is a bannable offense". It's really just best not to even bring up the issue if you views differ from the majority here. Agreeing with the dogma will get you praise and disagreement will get your posts deleted.

Foxi4 · Sep 24, 2020

notimp said:
I received three warning points today, at once, without ANY JUSTIFICATION GIVEN

You mean the justification that you obviously read, since you called it a "threat" in front of everyone here? As in, publicly? The one you quoted yourself?

Follow the rules. Stop calling people names. If you keep breaking the rules, it's at your own peril. Also, it was two, not three, just for the record.

Issac · Sep 24, 2020

notimp said:
I received three warning points today, at once, without ANY JUSTIFICATION GIVEN, right after I absolutely denounced a powerplay from a moderater that warned me 'that I should not feel invincible', which I reported as a threat. Warning points arrived after that.

False. You received TWO warning points today, WITH justification given. You got your warning points as your post was removed at 4:35 PM my time. You reported his post at 5:20 PM my time, 45 minutes after you got the warning points.

You aren't being silenced, even though it seems like you do like to play martyr sometimes. Considering how often you have gotten reported, it's a miracle you haven't been banned yet to be honest.
No, why your posts are deleted, is because you are flaming and harassing people. You call people names. That's against the rules of the forum in general, and the politics section in particular.

Please read this quote from the site administrator, from a stickied post in this section:

Costello said:
1) This forum is dedicated to discussion regarding world news, current events, and politics - local or international. Please stay civil and respectful to each other.

2) Everyone is entitled to an opinion, whether or not you think it's wrong.
If you disagree with someone, please use logic and rational arguments to contradict them.
...
4) Moderators won't hesitate to pull the trigger (using the "delete post" and "warn" buttons) if you come close to breaching those rules. If your post gets moderated, it is NOT because the moderator disagrees with your opinions or arguments, it is merely because you violated the rules.

We have right wing mods, we have left wing mods. We have LGBTQ+ mods, we have whites and non-whites. We are not biased in any direction. You can express your opinions, you can discuss, you can argue.... but do it without calling people names. It's not that difficult.

Another point: complaining against mod decisions in public is against the rules, even though we're pretty lenient on that part because transparency is a good thing sometimes. And this is also why I am involved now. You have an issue with @Foxi4 and since he doesn't want to be "opponent" AND judge he asked me to step in. And rest assured that he and I do not share political views. He is a competent moderator though, and I have read a fair bit of what's been going on. He has been in the right with his decisions to delete some of your posts - since they were filled with flaming.

Also, his verbal warning that if you continue to flame people, that you'll possibly get banned is just a warning from a moderator. It's not a threat. Again, please feel free to present your opinions, your viewpoints, your arguments. Just do it without name calling, slander, harassment or flaming.

If you think it's unfair that someone else's posts that break the rules aren't removed: report those posts. There's a chance they've just slipped under a moderator's radar. Just be aware that something that you might see as rule breaking, might not be in another person's eyes, that's also a possibility. (For example: you see Foxi4's warning as a threat, where it's in no way is a threat).

Anyway. This is something that generally would be taken up in private, but I find it fitting to write this here even though it's way off topic. I write this as a Supervisor putting down the foot. Also, it's a reminder to everyone reading here to stay civil, to report offending posts, and that we aren't biased in any direction.

leon315 · Sep 24, 2020

just saw this video on youtube, i laughed to fucken hard XD but then i realize it's all true, then i laughed even more xDDDDD
p.s. @Foxi4 i got little, just little pissed about my last msg got censored, the transition from political fights to SEX was smooth as F.!

Why make wars when you can make love?
-Pope of Vatican City (i swear to god he said that!)

Foxi4 · Sep 24, 2020

leon315 said:
just saw this video on youtube, i laughed to fucken hard XD but then i realize it's all true, then i laughed even more xDDDDD
p.s. @Foxi4 i got little, just little pissed about my last msg got censored, the transition from political fights to SEX was smooth as F.!

Why make wars when you can make love?
-Pope of Vatican City (i swear to god he said that!)

It was pretty funny, to be sure, but we already have one EOF.

leon315 · Sep 24, 2020

Foxi4 said:
It was pretty funny, to be sure, but we already have one EOF.

btw what is EOF? End of Fighting?

UltraSUPRA · Sep 24, 2020

leon315 said:

This video is pretty funny, I won't deny that, but it's largely false.

leon315 · Sep 24, 2020

UltraSUPRA said:
This video is pretty funny, I won't deny that, but it's largely false.

somehow, i smell of MAGA supporter....

Doran754 · Sep 24, 2020

So getting back to the politics, this happened today.

Foxi4 · Sep 24, 2020

shamzie said:
So getting back to the politics, this happened today.View attachment 226016

Not exactly the best source to quote, but it seems that the DOJ is currently investigating this case, no doubt we'll hear more about it soon.

A similar situation was just discovered in Wisconsin where three trays of ballots and mail were found in a ditch.

https://www.fox6now.com/news/wiscon...trays-of-mail-absentee-ballots-found-in-ditch

[POLL] 2020 U.S. Presidential Election

For whom will/would you vote?

Donald Trump and Mike Pence (Republican Party)

Joe Biden and Kamala Harris (Democratic Party)

Jo Jorgensen and Spike Cohen (Libertarian Party)

Howie Hawkins and Angela Walker (Green Party)

Other

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