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[POLL] 2020 U.S. Presidential Election

For whom will/would you vote?


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Re disabilities and trouble finding work.

Whether I agree with it or not I don't know but there is a line of thought that says minimum wage can have some fun effects here. I would ask what the minimum wage is around you, and before you go running off to find some link to a department of labour or whatever for your locality/country then know you are wrong... the real answer is zero (as a general rule if you can't find a reason not to hire someone you need better HR and a more nebulous requirements list -- we occasionally expect our office drones to go 3km down into a muddy field sort of thing). You can even control for it if you find a country that has no age tiers and compare it to one with them and seeing the resultant youth unemployment rates.
 

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Because non yellow press papers publish 'opinions of the other side' sometimes. To signal editorial independence, or something.. ;) (FOX news doesnt.. ;) ) Those are usually presented as opinion pieces.

Its a thing. Look it up. ;)

Fox News isn't a newspaper. MSNBC and CNN are the yangs to their yin. But yeah, WaPo and NYT and WashTimes and ChicagoTrib and LATimes ... they all occasionally publish an opinion piece that runs counter to their usual slant.
 

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Fox News isn't a newspaper. MSNBC and CNN are the yangs to their yin. But yeah, WaPo and NYT and WashTimes and ChicagoTrib and LATimes ... they all occasionally publish an opinion piece that runs counter to their usual slant.
Let's not forget that often times pieces like this are a smoke screen to cover for their other biases, something you can show if you're ever questioned and say "See? We published an article by one conservative once!" - WaPo is owned by Nash Holdings, which is a holding company established by Jeff Bezos. The LA Times is owned by Nant Capital, which in turn belongs to Patrick Soon-shiong, long-term Democrat donor who dropped fat stacks on the Clinton campaign. The New York Times is owned by the Sulzbergers who have a long-standing relationship with the Clinton's, and Carlos Slim, who had a lot to lose in the event of a Trump presidency. The Chicago Tribune is the only one you mentioned that isn't overtly hostile to Trump, and you shouldn't get used to them since they're being actively dismantled by Alden, like countless papers before them. The majority of the press leans liberal and has clear motivation to portray the administration in an unfavourable light, conservative press is basically non-existent.
 

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Trump has been the most anti-war president in recent memory. He raises the issue of outsourcing, bad trade and immigration. Despite initial concerns about his principles or lack thereof, he's governed as a conservative, cutting regulation, appointing two conservative justices, cutting taxes and spreading the pro-life message.

These are things that are important to me, so on policy alone I'd vote for him. As detestable as Hillary Clinton was, at least she's sharp and doesn't seem to be on cognitive decline like Biden. It's beyond obvious that the man is in decline and it's baffling he was even nominated in the first place.
 
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Trump has been the most anti-war president in recent memory. He raises the issue of outsourcing, bad trade and immigration. Despite initial concerns about his principles or lack thereof, he's governed as a conservative, cutting regulation, appointing two conservative justices, cutting taxes and spreading the pro-life message.

These are things that are important to me, so on policy alone I'd vote for him. As detestable as Hillary Clinton was, at least she's sharp and doesn't seem to be on cognitive decline like Biden. It's beyond obvious that the man is in decline and it's baffling he was even nominated in the first place.
I was always baffled by people treating the Presidency as a popularity contest. Trump is a controversial figure and people can argue about his personality until the cows come home, but at the end of the day he's a President that's fulfilled more objectives critical to conservatives than any other since Reagan. I think it is foolish to cast a vote based on any other metric - principles are for winners. You can flaunt them around *after* you win, losers don't have an influence on policy.
 
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I was always baffled by people treating the Presidency as a popularity contest. Trump is a controversial figure and people can argue about his personality until the cows come home, but at the end of the day he's a President that's fulfilled more objectives critical to conservatives than any other since Reagan. I think it is foolish to cast a vote based on any other metric - principles are for winners. You can flaunt them around *after* you win, losers don't have an influence on policy.
I'm amused by so-called "Biden Harris Republicans." I honestly don't know how you could consider yourself a conservative and vote for that ticket.
 

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I'm amused by so-called "Biden Harris Republicans." I honestly don't know how you could consider yourself a conservative and vote for that ticket.
Biden-Harris Republicans effectively don't exist, but those that do are very well-funded and will gladly cut their own nose to spite their face. It's a scam created to sow discord in the party. The Lincoln Project comes to mind, co-founded by John Weaver, a formerly registered Russian asset, now yapping about "collusion". The "Never Trump" movement died when Trump was elected, even staunch "Never Trumpers" like Shapiro understand that. What you see now is plain old election interference, and it's foolish. To be fair though, Republicans love losing and wearing egg on their face, I make a distinction between RINO's who like to talk a lot, but don't do much, and the Trump Party which took over in every way besides the name and is hungry for reform. Up until this point the Republicans were following an appeasement strategy of "you give some, you get some", making otherwise unacceptable concessions to gain a few small wins, if any. Trump changed all that and effectively introduced a third-party by infiltrating them, which he should get credit for. His method has teeth, all the Republicans had to offer were dull dentures.
 
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This is actually an important point a lot of Democrats seem to be sweeping under the rug - there are legitimate questions in regards to Biden's mental acuity. I too very much doubt that he has the steam in him to pull through 4 years of presidency, let alone 8 if he were to be reelected. The man claimed in earnest to be arrested alongside Nelson Mandela in South Africa, he mixed three distinct war stories into one fictitious account from Afghanistan, he mixed up his own wife and daughter when introducing them on stage, he started off his run by claiming he's running for the Senate and he consistently stutters when in the past he spoke quite eloquently. Let's not even mention his stories about "Corn Pop" or how children liked climbing up his hairy legs. I can see that he's fairly spry and knows how to ride a bicycle, but I'd be more comfortable knowing that he's aware that he's on a bicycle and not inside of a rocket, or whatever else his mind conjures up that day. I can't believe he's even a candidate at all, he keeps embarrassing himself every single time he speaks publicly without a teleprompter, and sometimes even when he's just reading. He gives off an "old man shouting at clouds" vibe that I can't shake, it's a shame that the on-going pandemic put a stop to most public appearances, I'm sure Biden would've continued being a meme mine otherwise. His handlers can conceal his inadequacies quite effectively when he's confined in a basement. A vote for Biden is, in my eyes, a vote for Kamala Harris.
Okay best I can describe people's thinking is this. Trump is far worse than Biden by a large margin. It doesn't mean people think Biden is good, people just want a worse shitty president since this one is abslutely horrid. it's replacing bullshit with, bullshit with sprinkles. It's still shit, but it's minimally better in taste.
 
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Okay best I can describe people's thinking is this. Trump is far worse than Biden by a large margin. It doesn't mean people think Biden is good, people just want a worse shitty president since this one is abslutely horrid. it's replacing bullshit with, bullshit with sprinkles. It's still shit, but it's minimally better in taste.

or, to put it another way, we are in a scenario where having NO president would better. is biden amazing? no, but we are taking damage in every conceivable direction every day trump is in office. which is crazy because he has spend almost every 4th day in office golfing. https://trumpgolfcount.com/displayoutings. our alliances are degrading or have been broken, we are not following through on promises made in the past. we have literally betrayed ally forces in a war zone. multiple human rights violations IN PLAIN SIGHT. to reiterate, why would we vote for an incumbent president who has screwed up almost EVERYTHING he has ever done. it is the difference between electing a 0, and electing a -9000.
 
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(...)which is crazy because he has spend almost every 4th day in office golfing.
The libertarian in me would really want to see him golf 6 days a week, and spend the 7th deregulating or resting before the next golf session.
our alliances are degrading or have been broken, we are not following through on promises made in the past. we have literally betrayed ally forces in a war zone.
Debatable, given the recent developments in the Middle East. In any case, Trump seems to be the only President in recent history who *hasn't* started a war, so that's a weird complaint.
multiple human rights violations IN PLAIN SIGHT.
Dispersing a mob with non-lethal, or as the media now calls them, "less lethal" countermeasures is not a violation of human rights.

You sound really emotional over the whole thing, to the point that you'd pick a literal shit sandwich over a president you consider "bad". A quick reminder that Joe Biden co-wrote and implemented the legislation that causes racial tension today and Kamala Harris executed those policies during her term. They're both "cops", that's what you're voting for. It doesn't matter what they say, look at what they've already done first.
 
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The libertarian in me would really want to see him golf 6 days a week, and spend the 7th deregulating or resting before the next golf session.
Debatable, given the recent developments in the Middle East. In any case, Trump seems to be the only President in recent history who *hasn't* started a war, so that's a weird complaint.
Dispersing a mob with non-lethal, or as the media now calls them, "less lethal" countermeasures is not a violation of human rights.

You sound really emotional over the whole thing, to the point that you'd pick a literal shit sandwich over a president you consider "bad". A quick reminder that Joe Biden co-wrote and implemented the legislation that causes racial tension today and Kamala Harris executed those policies during her term. They're both "cops", that's what you're voting for. It doesn't matter what they say, look at what they've already done first.

I was referencing deporting people without knowing the country of origin such as DACA children, the killing of an enemy general after setting up a meeting with a 3rd party, forced sterilization of people in ICE custody and others.

while i am trying to stay away from COVID content, having a president who knowingly and actively downplayed the virus, did more harm than not having any president at all. the released recordings have been extremely dismaying in this respect.
 
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Pro-life, but rolling back climate protections, constantly trying to take people healthcare away and nearly 200,000 deaths due to the virus over a lie is totally fine.

Only ones that are treating this election as a "popularity contest", are the ones that are still voting and supporting Trump.
 
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So an unsubstantiated allegation and the killing of a terrorist. Alright, no point in discussing either then.
the killing of a terrorist is not the problem, it's using diplomacy to move a target to a location, and killing them. a LITERAL war crime. The Government of Iraq did not grant permission to the U.S. to target a military commander from another country on its soil. especially when the meeting was to propose a peace agreement.
 
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the killing of a terrorist is not the problem, it's using diplomacy to move a target to a location, and killing them. a LITERAL war crime. The Government of Iraq did not grant permission to the U.S. to target a military commander from another country on its soil. especially when the meeting was to propose a peace agreement.
Okay. Scratch another one off the list as far as I'm concerned, the world is a bit of a better place now.
 

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guess international law doesn't matter, and no countries should have sovereignty. sounds pretty libertarian to me.
Iran is a terrorist regime. You don't "negotiate" with terrorists. The U.S. Intelligence had information on the whereabouts of a critical target and successfully acted upon it, making the world a better place. If you want me to shed tears over him then I'm afraid you're going to have a hard time squeezing them out. Tell the families of LGBT people who were hanged off of cranes in Iran all about how international law prohibits harming their oppressors, maybe they'll listen.
 
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Iran is a terrorist regime. You don't "negotiate" with terrorists. The U.S. Intelligence had information on the whereabouts of a critical target and successfully acted upon it, making the world a better place. If you want me to shed tears over him then I'm afraid you're going to have a hard time squeezing them out. Tell the families of LGBT people who were hanged off of cranes in Iran all about how international law prohibits harming their oppressors, maybe they'll listen.

The death is not the problem, it was us violating Iraq's sovereignty by killing an Iranian general on their soil. we had a mutual agreement signed in 2008 prohibits the U.S. from launching attacks on other countries from Iraqi territory. Even trump's generals said it was a horrible idea. Also i feel like you are trying to use dead LGBT people as a shield in this instance, unless you actually care about the live LGBT people who are being fucked with in the USA.
 
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