[POLL] 2020 U.S. Presidential Election

RandomUser · Sep 14, 2020

Foxi4 said:
That sounds like a totalitarian nightmare that makes a bad situation worse. Nobody except the employer should have any say in regards to who they hire and why. You can't fix discrimination with more discrimination, the deciding factor in the hiring process should always be an individual's ability to perform the job. If certain employers choose to be discriminatory and pass up on excellent candidates then that's their loss - their staff will be objectively less qualified than that of the competitor who doesn't discriminate. A contract between an employer and an employee should be entirely between those two parties and its conditions should be based on what they agree is acceptable. The last thing I want is the government dictating what employers can or can't do with their own money by making hiring decisions on their behalf.

Yes, that would be worst. The employer should have the say so on who to hire and what nots, but I highly doubt it is their money they are dealing with, but with the owner of the company money. The hiring manager does the hiring and as far as I know, they don't own the company, at least the bigger ones. But yes, I think you're correct that it should be the employer decision on who to hire and keeping the contract between the two parties and the conditions it brings should be kept to the two parties and weather or not if it is acceptable or not. Problem is most if not nearly all the company discriminates almost all the time and thus very low employment rates for the disabled. It isn't going to be an easy fix and probably isn't fixable at all and they have no choice but to continue taking handout from the government or taxpayers dime. See, it is a catch 22.

Foxi4 · Sep 14, 2020

RandomUser said:
Yes, that would be worst. The employer should have the say so on who to hire and what nots, but I highly doubt it is their money they are dealing with, but with the owner of the company money. The hiring manager does the hiring and as far as I know, they don't own the company, at least the bigger ones. But yes, I think you're correct that it should be the employer decision on who to hire and keeping the contract between the two parties and the conditions it brings should be kept to the two parties and weather or not if it is acceptable or not. Problem is most if not nearly all the company discriminates almost all the time and thus very low employment rates for the disabled. It isn't going to be an easy fix and probably isn't fixable at all and they have no choice but to continue taking handout from the government or taxpayers dime. See, it is a catch 22.

Not sure how things look like in your area, but around here certain companies are specifically on the lookout for employees with various degrees of disability. The government incentivise this by offering various rabates and deductibles, which I don't necessarily like, but the point still stands. Turns out honey attracts bees more than vinegar. Failing that, one can always build capital and start their own company - you can be your own boss if you're confident and offer a great product or service. I understand that prejudice can be an obstacle in the job market, but I don't think two wrongs make a right. Strong-arming people into submission only makes them more resentful, not less. I don't think using force is a good way to integrate people with disabilities into the workforce, or combat prejudice against them.

doogie · Sep 14, 2020

Goku1992A said:
Trump.

No I'm not a Trump Supporter but dealing with Trump for 4 years I kinda know what to expect and I can ride it out with another 4 years. Biden I don't really remember him actually doing anything in office as a VP so I'm not too sure if he has enough leadership to run the country. If Covid-19 never happened Trump would have definitely won with flying colors but it looks like Bien would win. I'm all for the Economy getting back stronger again just like it was before the Covid-19 hit. I just feel like Biden is just going to be a puppet and just make silly choices I personally don't feel he would be a good leader. I rather deal with Trump than deal with Biden.

At the end of the day most Dems say they are for the working man but are they really? Most of them are already millionaires so they wouldn't understand how middle class feels and how they operate. The stimulus checks are a joke because how far can $1200 get you that isn't even half of my semi-monthly paycheck. I work very hard for the things that I have and I don't look for handouts with that being said I rather deal with Trump because he is already in office versus voting for Biden. At least I can say about Trump he speaks his mind and he isn't going to be a puppet I just seeing Biden being controlled and not making his own decision.

A man of Joe Biden status has no reason talking to Cardi B about her "input" sheesh!

Plus there no way Biden will last 4 years so voting for him you really his VP to be president. I also don't think he is thinking for himself he is just doing what his handlers are telling him to do.

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Lacius said:
Belgium only has a handful of COVID-19 deaths per day these days (they had 7 yesterday). The United States had 1,500 people die from COVID-19 yesterday. There's no comparing the two responses. Belgium had a federal response, and the United States did not, and it continues to not have one.

With regard to government responses to COVID-19, it is also a mistake to compare deaths/1M population between a country with 12M citizens and a country with 331M citizens. It's numerically analogous to comparing coin flip odds with a trial of two flips and a trial of 50 flips. The two-flip trial could realistically be 100% heads, which does not reflect the actual odds, but the 50-flip trial is likely going to be close to about 25 heads and 25 tails. Here are some fair COVID-19 comparisons:

China, 1.4B pop, 3 deaths/1M pop

India, 1.4B pop, 33 deaths/1M pop

USA, 331M pop, 507 deaths/1M pop

Indonesia, 274M pop, 22 deaths/1M pop

Pakistan, 221M pop, 28 deaths/1M pop

Brazil, 213M pop, 485 deaths/1M pop

Nigeria, 207M pop, 5 deaths/1M pop

The Trump administration has utterly failed, as has the Bolsonaro administration from Brazil. These are also the two leaders who did not take COVID-19 seriously at all.

But they count everything now a death by COVID-19. Death by flu just stopped this year how is that?

Foxi4 · Sep 14, 2020

doogie said:
Plus there no way Biden will last 4 years so voting for him you really his VP to be president. I also don't think he is thinking for himself he is just doing what his handlers are telling him to do.

This is actually an important point a lot of Democrats seem to be sweeping under the rug - there are legitimate questions in regards to Biden's mental acuity. I too very much doubt that he has the steam in him to pull through 4 years of presidency, let alone 8 if he were to be reelected. The man claimed in earnest to be arrested alongside Nelson Mandela in South Africa, he mixed three distinct war stories into one fictitious account from Afghanistan, he mixed up his own wife and daughter when introducing them on stage, he started off his run by claiming he's running for the Senate and he consistently stutters when in the past he spoke quite eloquently. Let's not even mention his stories about "Corn Pop" or how children liked climbing up his hairy legs. I can see that he's fairly spry and knows how to ride a bicycle, but I'd be more comfortable knowing that he's aware that he's on a bicycle and not inside of a rocket, or whatever else his mind conjures up that day. I can't believe he's even a candidate at all, he keeps embarrassing himself every single time he speaks publicly without a teleprompter, and sometimes even when he's just reading. He gives off an "old man shouting at clouds" vibe that I can't shake, it's a shame that the on-going pandemic put a stop to most public appearances, I'm sure Biden would've continued being a meme mine otherwise. His handlers can conceal his inadequacies quite effectively when he's confined in a basement. A vote for Biden is, in my eyes, a vote for Kamala Harris.

RandomUser · Sep 14, 2020

Foxi4 said:
Not sure how things look like in your area, but around here certain companies are specifically on the lookout for employees with various degrees of disability. The government incentivise this by offering various rabates and deductibles, which I don't necessarily like, but the point still stands. Turns out honey attracts bees more than vinegar. Failing that, one can always build capital and start their own company - you can be your own boss if you're confident and offer a great product or service. I understand that prejudice can be an obstacle in the job market, but I don't think two wrongs make a right. Strong-arming people into submission only makes them more resentful, not less. I don't think using force is a good way to integrate people with disabilities into the workforce, or combat prejudice against them.

You're absolutely right about people being more resentful and using force. Don't want any of that. Everyone is more focus on racial and gender for diversity hires, but almost none focuses on disabled people, they get left out in the cold. So that means that disabled people are excluded from the diversity quotas. There is little to no incentive from the government for employers to be hiring disabled people, please correct me if I'm wrong. I think most of the barriers are stereotypes and health insurance or health care cost are the issues. Then there is red tape face by the disabled people from the government or employers which would be more cost effective to continue relying on the government for their source of income, even with the ticket to work program in place.
EDIT:
Starting your own business could help, if you have a family member able to help you. Loans are generally out of the question for some disabled people because their qualification are not good due to income limitations. Perhaps if they start out from their homes, assuming they even have a property, because again mortgage is a loan and they can't qualify enough for a livable accommodations. I don't know about rented homes, though. Probably have to get permission from the landlord. eBay on the other hand could help with the business front, but you still need money to pay for bulk cost of the product, assuming they have funds to do so, because they will need to be able to undercut their competitors out their by selling the same product for less then what their competitors are selling there's for. Perhaps eBay or another online business could be a viable option for them, again assuming they have the funds to start.

Lacius · Sep 14, 2020

doogie said:
Plus there no way Biden will last 4 years so voting for him you really his VP to be president. I also don't think he is thinking for himself he is just doing what his handlers are telling him to do.

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But they count everything now a death by COVID-19. Death by flu just stopped this year how is that?

No, not everything is "death by COVID."

chrisrlink · Sep 14, 2020

RandomUser said:
Yes, that would be worst. The employer should have the say so on who to hire and what nots, but I highly doubt it is their money they are dealing with, but with the owner of the company money. The hiring manager does the hiring and as far as I know, they don't own the company, at least the bigger ones. But yes, I think you're correct that it should be the employer decision on who to hire and keeping the contract between the two parties and the conditions it brings should be kept to the two parties and weather or not if it is acceptable or not. Problem is most if not nearly all the company discriminates almost all the time and thus very low employment rates for the disabled. It isn't going to be an easy fix and probably isn't fixable at all and they have no choice but to continue taking handout from the government or taxpayers dime. See, it is a catch 22.

um i'm disabled but yet with no college experience I'm more than capable to hold a repair job in electronics (I always swear the government pacifies the disabled with the strict wage earning guidelines they impose to those who wish to work hell you cant even save for college without getting thrown under the bus

omgcat · Sep 15, 2020

chrisrlink said:
um i'm disabled but yet with no college experience I'm more than capable to hold a repair job in electronics (I always swear the government pacifies the disabled with the strict wage earning guidelines they impose to those who wish to work hell you cant even save for college without getting thrown under the bus

Most colleges will reduce or waive tuition for proven disabilities.

RandomUser · Sep 15, 2020

chrisrlink said:
um i'm disabled but yet with no college experience I'm more than capable to hold a repair job in electronics (I always swear the government pacifies the disabled with the strict wage earning guidelines they impose to those who wish to work hell you cant even save for college without getting thrown under the bus

AFAIK holding a job isn't the issue, getting one is. Yes, I agree with that assessment about the government. Even those that get income from the government they are not allowed so save or can save very little amount.
As @omgcat stated disabled people can get free collage education. They're programs out there that get them college education for free. In the process of signing up in a program for my nephew, for either college or trade school education. Something to get signed up for, before he graduate from high school.
I hope this all works out for him and have a very fulfilling life in his future.
If you don't mind my asking, what type of disability do you have, physical or psychological? I understand if you don't feel comfortable answering this question and is a personal one.

chrisrlink · Sep 15, 2020

@RandomUser oh i've been to one of those "free colleges" even they discriminated against me with denying me their pc repair program utter bullshit should've sued them i even am doing repair assessment's as an "up yours" to that school (and doing pretty good too though no job yet) also getting in to advocacy myself trying to raise awareness on the issues with SSI though i doubt it'll help but still, oh i see you want to know what i have the answer is both actually Cerebral palsy is my physical disability (mild form only affecting my right side) but also am bi polar too

UltraSUPRA · Sep 15, 2020

Even the Washington Post is (reluctantly) rooting for Trump.

notimp · Sep 15, 2020

UltraSUPRA said:
Even the Washington Post is (reluctantly) rooting for Trump.

Danielle Pletka is a senior fellow at the American Enterprise Institute. (right wing think tank - see: https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/secret-foreign-donor-behind-american-enterprise-institute/)

#whatisanopinionpiece

#userhasnotreachedmedialiteracyyet

AkGBA · Sep 15, 2020

It's an opinion piece. Not an editorial choice.

RandomUser · Sep 15, 2020

chrisrlink said:
@RandomUser oh i've been to one of those "free colleges" even they discriminated against me with denying me their pc repair program utter bullshit should've sued them i even am doing repair assessment's as an "up yours" to that school (and doing pretty good too though no job yet) also getting in to advocacy myself trying to raise awareness on the issues with SSI though i doubt it'll help but still, oh i see you want to know what i have the answer is both actually Cerebral palsy is my physical disability (mild form only affecting my right side) but also am bi polar too

That's a bummer, that they discriminated against you. It probably wouldn't be worth suing due to the legal fees and what nots.
That is great that you're doing good. Also am glad that you're raising awareness and to bad there isn't much people doing this as well. Usually disabled people is considered undesirable, so I agree with you that it probably won't help but doesn't hurt to keep trying. I must say though this bring newfound respect for those that can live off of SSI, I have a couple of friends whom is on SSI, and couldn't fathom how they can live off the meager income that they get, it really amazes me on how small amount they get and how they can survive on just that much.
My nephew also suffers physically and psychological as well.

UltraSUPRA · Sep 15, 2020

AkGBA said:
It's an opinion piece. Not an editorial choice.

Opinion piece or not, it was still published by WP.

notimp · Sep 15, 2020

UltraSUPRA said:
Opinion piece or not, it was still published by WP.

Correct. But its the opinion of an employee of a right wing think tank. Dont forget that part.

UltraSUPRA · Sep 15, 2020

notimp said:
Correct. But its the opinion of an employee of a right wing think tank. Dont forget that part.

If that was the case, why would WP publish it?

AkGBA · Sep 15, 2020

Freedom of speech ?
Open mindness from the newspaper ?

I mean... The WaPo, the NYT publish opinions pieces from both sides everyday.
Is it really the first time you see it ?

UltraSUPRA · Sep 15, 2020

AkGBA said:
Freedom of speech ?
Open mindness from the newspaper ?

Neither of those exist on the left.

notimp · Sep 15, 2020

UltraSUPRA said:
If that was the case, why would WP publish it?

Because non yellow press papers publish 'opinions of the other side' sometimes. To signal editorial independence, or something..

(FOX news doesnt..

) Those are usually presented as opinion pieces.

Its a thing. Look it up.

[POLL] 2020 U.S. Presidential Election

For whom will/would you vote?

Donald Trump and Mike Pence (Republican Party)

Joe Biden and Kamala Harris (Democratic Party)

Jo Jorgensen and Spike Cohen (Libertarian Party)

Howie Hawkins and Angela Walker (Green Party)

Other

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