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[POLL] 2020 U.S. Presidential Election

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UltraSUPRA is bringing Trump election campaign propaganda - that I haven't have the faintest idea what it means yet.



(Videos from the official Trump channel.)

Every developed nation outside the US wants the US to get back on board with UN and Nato commitments.

The US/China trade war will probably continue under Biden. US has no incentives not to.

It's a weak attempt at whataboutism, nothing more. Trump has just as much reverence for Xinnie the Pooh as he does for every other authoritarian leader around the globe, otherwise he would've done something, anything, in support of Hong Kong protests while they were still ongoing.

Every foreign nation with even an ounce of sanity is hoping for a Biden win, as Trump has become infamous for abandoning the US' allies and any international agreements/treaties we've signed. Literally his only motivation when it comes to foreign policy is continuing to enrich the Trump organization.
 
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Don't forget: Hillary Clinton is still ahead in the polls

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Don't forget: Hillary Clinton is still ahead in the polls

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Go look at Nate Silver's Twitter feed for a hearty laugh.

I have no idea why the DNC thinks race riots are important for the lead-up to Presidential elections... but I'm not about to stop them from throwing me in that briar patch.
 

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Go look at Nate Silver's Twitter feed for a hearty laugh.

I have no idea why the DNC thinks race riots are important for the lead-up to Presidential elections... but I'm not about to stop them from throwing me in that briar patch.
Yes of course, the DNC controls all protesters and rioters...certainly no other notable events have happened in recent weeks/months which might've spurred their actions. :rolleyes:
 
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Yes of course, the DNC controls all protesters and rioters...certainly no other notable events have happened in recent weeks/months which might've spurred their actions. :rolleyes:
Hence why they only happen every 4 years; and why they happened this year despite police killings of unarmed black men being down this year. The autopsy and video of George Floyd's arrest - and the fact that he was still alive and breathing in the ambulance - indicate that he died primarily of a overdose from a lethal amount of fentanyl. Exacerbating factors include the meth also found in his blood, his coronavirus infection, and clogged arteries.

The DA and Minnesota AG (Keith Ellison, a black power type and the former head of the DNC during the last Presidential election IIRC) had the bodycam footage and could have released it, but they waited until after the riots.

You really should investigate these things before your form an opinion, you are only embarrassing yourself.
 
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Hence why they only happen every 4 years; and why they happened this year despite police killings of unarmed black men being down this year.
Multiple high-profile murders of black men and women happened within the span of a single month, in one of those instances the victim was literally asleep in her bed. The George Floyd video was just the straw that broke the camel's back, it was incredibly powerful footage.

The autopsy and video of George Floyd's arrest - and the fact that he was still alive and breathing in the ambulance - indicate that he died primarily of a overdose from a lethal amount of fentanyl. Exacerbating factors include the meth also found in his blood, his coronavirus infection, and clogged arteries.
Yeah...grasping at any excuse to justify murder sure isn't gonna help slow down or stop the protesting.

The DA and Minnesota AG (Keith Ellison, a black power type and the former head of the DNC during the last Presidential election IIRC) had the bodycam footage and could have released it, but they waited until after the riots.
All the body cam footage shows is cops stopping citizens (and one off-duty firefighter) from attempting to help Floyd. Releasing it sooner wouldn't have made any difference, especially if it was released under the pretense that it should make people "calm down." If anything that would've only sparked more outrage.

You really should investigate these things before your form an opinion, you are only embarrassing yourself.
You should really stop licking boot so much and learn to empathize a little with fellow Americans, or even just fellow human beings. Authoritarianism never stops at just one group or race.
 
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Multiple high-profile murders of black men and women happened within the span of a single month, in one of those instances the victim was literally asleep in her bed. The George Floyd video was just the straw that broke the camel's back, it was incredibly powerful footage.
So you're saying that the footage - which is SOP for police and military, and to my knowledge has never resulted in a death via asphyxiation largely because you would pass out from blood loss several minutes before you die from lack of oxygen, and therefore be totally complaint - was propaganda?

I never said that Breona Taylor's murder was justified (Narrator's Voice: It wasn't justified), and in my opinion the cops are out of control. We can easily solve it by outlawing public employee unions - which I hope happens soon - and removing qualified immunity, civil asset forfeiture, and no-knock warrants. Vigorous prosecution of cops who do unjustifiably murder unarmed people is another good idea.

Adding requirements for height, physical fitness, and MMA training would greatly increase options for the police to forcibly deescalate violent encounters, and would deter people with Napoleon complexes (who are rarely good at physical violence, hence their insecurity) from becoming cops.

Say what you will about an arm bar, but feeling your bones strain against their sockets is wonderfully focusing - though you're focusing on not losing the use of your arm for the next week.

In any case, it's not actually about police violence because if it were, they would provide at least some attention for the far more frequent murders of unarmed white and hispanic men by cops.

Yeah...grasping at any excuse to justify murder sure isn't gonna help slow down or stop the protesting.
The burden is on you to prove he was murdered; go refute the autopsy and get back to me. And in the future refrain from putting words in my mouth if you want to be taken seriously

I don't want the "protesting" to stop. It's cratering public support for Joe Biden and the Democrats in general. I want the "protests" - by which I mean the Joe Biden Burn Loot Murder riots - to go on as long as possible, preferably in Democrat-majority cities.

It's not often that you get to watch the opposing party literally burn down their own cities. I hope they keep doing it. Democrats absolutely deserve to suffer for the what they've put this nation through the last 5 years; and ironically they are and should continue to be the source of their suffering.

All the body cam footage shows is cops stopping citizens (and one off-duty firefighter) from attempting to help Floyd. Releasing it sooner wouldn't have made any difference, especially if it was released under the pretense that it should make people "calm down." If anything that would've only sparked more outrage.
The cops released footage of some guy that shot himself in the head to avoid arrest at a mall. Happened a few days ago. There were riots until they released the footage, after which they were criticized for "insensitivity". While I don't envy the cops their position, they absolutely deserve it.

Given the example above, you are wrong.

You should really stop licking boot so much and learn to empathize a little with fellow Americans, or even just fellow human beings. Authoritarianism never stops at just one group or race.
I'm not the one assaulting people for not parroting my beliefs; it is YOUR people who are.

If you guys are such a threat to the establishment, why aren't your burning down the homes of cops, politicians, high-ranking bureaucrats, major political donors, journalists, and other such elites? It's not rocket science; much of it is a matter of public record, and what isn't could be figured out with judicious use of open source intelligence.

Why are you instead burning down grocery stores - often in BIPOC neighborhoods, and owned/run by BIPOC proprietors? Why are you creating food and pharmacy deserts in BIPOC neighborhoods, when you claim to represent them? Where is the empathy for the people whose livelihoods were annihilated by YOUR "protests"? They don't all have insurance, and insurance policies vary wildly - many don't cover arson and domestic terrorism.

Semi-Related: Why is it that some kid "shot into a crowd" and managed to kill a child molester who prefers 12 year olds, a serial domestic abuser, and wound a convicted felon illegally carrying a firearm? Do you think that being the party of both Capital (nearly every major corporation supports and funds BLM) and the Lumpenproletariat is a great way to appeal to Middle America? Have you actually read Marx?

Why do so many of the BLM crowds look lily-white? It's clear that this is an excuse for white people to get out of the house and strike at those the media tells them are their oppressors.

Given that you and I agree on almost everything, you should meditate on why you have lost the support of people who are ideologically on your side.
 
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So you're saying that the footage - which is SOP for police and military
Jesus Christ I certainly hope not. If it is SOP it's only for police in this country specifically, and only when they have intent to kill. I've seen plenty of arrests and techniques for detaining a suspect which didn't involve such brutality.

In any case, it's not actually about police violence because if it were, they would provide at least some attention for the far more frequent murders of unarmed white and hispanic men by cops.
There was plenty of attention paid when the cops ran down that elderly white man and left him there with his head bleeding on the sidewalk. Of course the attention mostly came from BLM ironically, the "all lives matter" folks were nowhere to be found in that case (or any other involving police violence for that matter).

I don't want the "protesting" to stop. It's cratering public support for Joe Biden and the Democrats in general. I want the "protests" - by which I mean the Joe Biden Burn Loot Murder riots - to go on as long as possible, preferably in Democrat-majority cities.
In other words you're hoping and wishing for the cycle of violence to continue, just as Trump is. You can't have continued protests and riots without continued escalation by police and boot-licking MAGAtards. Chaos and division, calling cards of the modern Republican party.

Given the example above, you are wrong.
"Given this totally unrelated example from an event totally unrelated to the one we were discussing, you're wrong." Oookay buddy. :rolleyes:

If you guys are such a threat to the establishment, why aren't your burning down the homes of cops, politicians, high-ranking bureaucrats, major political donors, journalists, and other such elites? It's not rocket science; much of it is a matter of public record, and what isn't could be figured out with judicious use of open source intelligence.

Why are you instead burning down grocery stores - often in BIPOC neighborhoods, and owned/run by BIPOC proprietors? Why are you creating food and pharmacy deserts in BIPOC neighborhoods, when you claim to represent them? Where is the empathy for the people whose livelihoods were annihilated by YOUR "protests"? They don't all have insurance, and insurance policies vary wildly - many don't cover arson and domestic terrorism.
Again you're pretending like this is all one big coordinated group controlled by a single entity. The reality is that it's any number of individuals and smaller individual groups with different motives and varying degrees of desperation brought on by a perfect storm of crises. Crises which the current administration has failed to deal with entirely, or simply chosen to ignore.

Do you think that being the party of both Capital (nearly every major corporation supports and funds BLM) and the Lumpenproletariat is a great way to appeal to Middle America?
"Supports" as in provides lip service toward? Sure. "Funds?" No. The vast majority of remaining brick and mortar retail and service outlets fund police unions, because the police protect and serve capital (aka property), not people. And certainly not working class people.

Why do so many of the BLM crowds look lily-white?
Perhaps because white people aren't nearly as monolithic as you'd like us to be? Perhaps because there are a whole lot of us who see human rights being violated and don't care much for that sort of thing? Perhaps because we're now coming to realize just how little progress has been made since the Jim Crow era and we aren't happy about it? :unsure:

Given that you and I agree on almost everything, you should meditate on why you have lost the support of people who are ideologically on your side.
I don't know what you're smoking, but based on this short conversation alone, we clearly agree on very little. I'm also not a Democrat and I'm not asking for your support, you're obviously too far gone down the rabbit hole of moral and ethical failings for me to bother attempting rehabilitation now.
 
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FBI data show that while 500 black-on-white killings and 229 white-on-black killings were reported in 2015.
2,574 homicides were committed by whites against other whites, and 2,380 by blacks against blacks.

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You just won "democratic society".

Bringing such a statement without addressing a culture of violence in certain low income regions. (Projects, f.e.) You told them to scramble to get better, right? ;)

The problem begins at the next step though. Lets say that the main reason for this really was 'being black'. What would you do with that information, and in how many ways would it destroy society?

(Splitting people into two camps they are born into.)

Looking at what you posted, you could also focus in on, that the vast majority of murders were intra-racial, or that while black people only make up 14% of US population, while 'white people' make up 64% murder rates are almost equal.

Looking at those percentages, black on white murders should be 4.5 times higher than white on black murders. But they only are 2 times higher.

Meaning the entire premise, of black people are more aggressive towards white people - is false.

So lets now go into potential causes for the overall higher homicide rate:

Nazis would say 'genetic'.

I would probably say - this is a result of continued structural racial discrimination.
(Dont forget, black people are also 4 times more likely to die from Covid-19: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...es-more-likely-to-die-from-covid-19-ons-finds )

And again, what is the proposed solution? Lock black people away? Move them out of the country?

Don't just post designed memes, show us that you are a real person and you can interact with arguments. :)


edit: Why predesigned meme? The same data is available for 2018 and shows roughly the same. But you brought 2015 figures. Why? Because the person that designed that as a political meme for the twitter audience did so in 2015. Probably. :)


Also, lets say that you'd have a 4x higher chance of white dudes murdering someone. Looking at overall initial case numbers of lets say 3000 in a population of 330 million, would that make you look at a white dude on the street differently (with fear)? Perspective.

This argument presumably is used to rectify racial profiling within the police force - and it is not proportional.

If you need to have this broken down further, with 3000 black murderers every year, a police officer asking themselves the question 'is this a potential murderer' looking at a black person would be at a chance of 1:14000 for that police office to ask themselves "is this potentially - my - murderer", the chance is almost infinitely lower (probably x1000 or more), because most homicides still happen within a family background (and not every interaction results in a murder). Lets lowball it and say its 1:14000000 - what concrete reactions in society or in the police force do you propose, to remove that amount of fear from a police officer?

Letting them kneel on peoples throats?
 
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How convenient for you. Believe all women, except you know, those women. Tara Reed has a more credible claim to her accusations than Christine Blasey Ford or any of the other women that jumped out of the woodshed to accuse Kavanaugh, but for some reason Democrats paid all this attention to what they had to say.

And if you don't think the deals for millions of dollars, even over a BILLION dollars in one deal, being funneled through Hunter Biden's investment firm from Ukrainian and Chinese "business contacts" within weeks after Hunter flew to those countries with his dad on Air Force 2 ---- not to mention Hunter's installation on the Board of Directors of Burisma ---- doesn't constitute evidence of criminal corruption, then your sense of smell is dead. Cuz it smells rotten.
  1. "Believe women" doesn't mean "believe all women." It's a right-wing strawman, and it's disingenuous.
  2. The purpose of the #MeToo movement is in part about bringing women with similar experiences out of the wood work, hence the hashtag, but that has not happened with Biden. There's only the one.
  3. Christine Blasey Ford isn't the only accuser against Kavanaugh, and the accusations are not the only evidence. I also didn't say that I accept the claim that Kavanaugh did it.
  4. The purpose of my original post was to make a point about inconsistent standards of evidence. If one accepts the claim that Biden did something to one person, then you must accept the claim that Trump did something to 25 women, in order to be consistent.
  5. Why are you bringing up Burisma in this conversation? It's reminiscent of people irrelevantly screaming "but her emails" in response to any criticism of Trump.
  6. The idea that we have evidence of Hunter Biden doing anything illegal or improper with regard to Burisma is a debunked conspiracy theory.
 
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  1. "Believe women" doesn't mean "believe all women." It's a right-wing strawman, and it's disingenuous.
  2. The purpose of the #MeToo movement is in part about bringing women with similar experiences out of the wood work, hence the hashtag, but that has not happened with Biden. There's only the one.
  3. Christine Blasey Ford isn't the only accuser against Kavanaugh, and the accusations are not the only evidence. I also didn't say that I accept the claim that Kavanaugh did it.
  4. The purpose of my original post was to make a point about inconsistent standards of evidence. If one accepts the claim that Biden did something to one person, then you must accept the claim that Trump did something to 25 women, in order to be consistent.
  5. Why are you bringing up Burisma in this conversation? It's reminiscent of people irrelevantly screaming "but her emails" in response to any criticism of Trump.
  6. The idea that we have evidence of Hunter Biden doing anything illegal or improper with regard to Burisma is a debunked conspiracy theory.


Wow. Nice recitation of lib talking points.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/18/opinion/tara-reade-believe-all-women.html
https://www.theatlantic.com/interna...women-bad-slogan-joe-biden-tara-reade/611617/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/life...3ff590-9314-11ea-9f5e-56d8239bf9ad_story.html

And etc. Of course, that wailing in unison didn't come about until this Spring, when Tara Reade's accusation against Biden started gaining traction. The media diverted all its attention to Covid and covering for Cuomo's corpse piles, and somehow forgot about her. But this band-aid on the damage, by claiming that liberals and feminists didn't actually mean "all" women, is nothing but sophistry.



Let's put that pile of ridiculous stinking denial together with this one from earlier:

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Totally isn't happening, people. BLM never hurt a fly. ANTIFA violence is a myth, just ask Jerry Nadler.
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A strange game. The only winning move is not to play.

I'd just not vote and shit on both major candidates
 

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Wow. Nice recitation of lib talking points.
My thoughts are my own. I did not recite anything. It should not be surprising that a tired strawman is met with criticisms of being a tired strawman.

Of course, that wailing in unison didn't come about until this Spring, when Tara Reade's accusation against Biden started gaining traction.
I'm not going to talk about Tara Reade's accusations until there's evidence for her claims. I will, however, say the following:
  1. Women should be listened to.
  2. Women should be treated with dignity.
  3. Women should be believed.
That's not to say, and has never been to say, that all accusations should be accepted unskeptically.

Getting back to my point, do you personally believe Reade's accusations? Do you personally believe Trump's approximately 25 accusers? If your answer is "yes" to one and "no" to another, how do you explain the inconsistency? That's my point. Please address it instead of deflecting with strawmen and irrelevancies. Thank you.

The media diverted all its attention to Covid
Respectfully, this is a pretty absurd comment. I would argue that 186,000 deaths and rising, as well as the change in lifestyle for nearly all Americans, is a more significant story than an unsubstantiated allegation that was already covered before the pandemic. That would be like me asking, "Why is the media covering 9/11 instead of this sexual assault allegation against Trump?" during the time immediately during and after 9/11.

and covering for Cuomo's corpse piles
Cuomo is not to blame for the failed federal response to COVID-19, which is directly to blame for the deaths in New York. In addition, New York largely has the pandemic under control at this point, despite the failed federal response. The same can't be said for most other states.

But this band-aid on the damage, by claiming that liberals and feminists didn't actually mean "all" women, is nothing but sophistry.
"Believe women" is not to say, and has never been to say, that all accusations should be accepted unskeptically. If it did mean that, I would disagree. As I said already, this is also completely irrelevant to my main point about inconsistent standards of evidence.

Let's put that pile of ridiculous stinking denial together with this one from earlier
You hadn't described anything the progressive left was doing.
 
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Getting back to my point, do you personally believe Reade's accusations? Do you personally believe Trump's approximately 25 accusers? If your answer is "yes" to one and "no" to another, how do you explain the inconsistency? That's my point. Please address it instead of deflecting with strawmen and irrelevancies. Thank you.

Reade left her job on Biden's staff roughly contemporaneous with the incident. She told friends at the time about the assault (unwelcome finger penetration) incident, who now corroborate that. Tara Reade's mother called in to Larry King Live at the time (1993) and alluded to the abuse. In other words, she didn't just show up on the scene as a convenient bludgeon as Kavanaugh's accusers did.

Does that mean proof? Of course not. Is it enough to merit taking it seriously and investigating? I think so, a lot more than Christine Blasey Ford's murky recollections with no contemporaneous corroboration whatsoever did, but she got Congressional hearings fer fucks sake.

As for Trump, I found it interesting that they all shut up when the election was over and they were no longer useful. FWIW that is a factor I consider worth noting with Tara Reade ... media coverage or not, she hasn't been on the warpath with her accusation for some months. Satisfied with the cash settlement maybe??? (which could apply to some women who've said things about Trump too, I won't deny the possibility)


You hadn't described anything the progressive left was doing.

If you're just splitting hairs over "radical" vs. bog-standard "progressive" leftist, it makes no difference to me. Both have the same endgame, just one is willing to let the other do the wet work in the street.

 
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Reade left her job on Biden's staff roughly contemporaneous with the incident. She told friends at the time about the assault (unwelcome finger penetration) incident, who now corroborate that. Tara Reade's mother called in to Larry King Live at the time (1993) and alluded to the abuse. In other words, she didn't just show up on the scene as a convenient bludgeon as Kavanaugh's accusers did.

Does that mean proof? Of course not. Is it enough to merit taking it seriously and investigating? I think so, a lot more than Christine Blasey Ford's murky recollections with no contemporaneous corroboration whatsoever did, but she got Congressional hearings fer fucks sake.

As for Trump, I found it interesting that they all shut up when the election was over and they were no longer useful. FWIW that is a factor I consider worth noting with Tara Reade ... media coverage or not, she hasn't been on the warpath with her accusation for some months. Satisfied with the cash settlement maybe??? (which could apply to some women who've said things about Trump too, I won't deny the possibility)




If you're just splitting hairs over "radical" vs. bog-standard "progressive" leftist, it makes no difference to me. Both have the same endgame, just one is willing to let the other do the wet work in the street.


I'd appreciate it if you answered my question directly.
 

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