[UPDATE] 'Fortnite' removed from the App Store and Google Play Store

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Apple has decided to remove Epic Games’ battle royale sensation Fortnite from its App Store. The decision comes after Epic Games bypassed Apple’s 30% cut by implementing its own in-app payment system. In a statement to The Verge, Apples mentions it will "make every effort to work with Epic to resolve these violations so they can return Fortnite to the App Store" but without any plans for a “special arrangement”.

You can read the statement in full below:

Today, Epic Games took the unfortunate step of violating the App Store guidelines that are applied equally to every developer and designed to keep the store safe for our users. As a result their Fortnite app has been removed from the store. Epic enabled a feature in its app which was not reviewed or approved by Apple, and they did so with the express intent of violating the App Store guidelines regarding in-app payments that apply to every developer who sells digital goods or services.

Epic has had apps on the App Store for a decade, and have benefited from the App Store ecosystem - including it’s tools, testing, and distribution that Apple provides to all developers. Epic agreed to the App Store terms and guidelines freely and we’re glad they’ve built such a successful business on the App Store. The fact that their business interests now lead them to push for a special arrangement does not change the fact that these guidelines create a level playing field for all developers and make the store safe for all users. We will make every effort to work with Epic to resolve these violations so they can return Fortnite to the App Store.

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[Update]
Google has followed suit, removing Fortnite from their own Play Store as well.

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I wonder if Epic is also going to sue Google? I also wonder if other companies like Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo might follow behind these two? With how quickly Google pulled after Apple, I wonder if this is a common sentiment among platforms and they were just waiting for someone to move first so they could follow after?
Considering they only did the on the side payment thing for the two mobile platforms the consoles holders technically have no reason to besides fear that they might try to do it there next...which I'm shocked they didn't try to. I wouldn't doubt for a second that it would be ripped down from those storefronts too if they try to pull this stunt on those platforms.
 
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Considering they only did the on the side payment thing for the two mobile platforms the consoles holders technically have no reason to besides fear that they might try to do it there next...which I'm shocked they didn't try to. I wouldn't doubt for a second that it would be ripped down from those storefronts too if they try to pull this stunt on those platforms.
It was more of thinking out loud there when I noticed how quickly Google pulled the game down. It almost felt like Google was just following after Apple and that there might be more to it. With how Epic acts, I wouldn't be shocked if other companies weren't a fan of them.
 

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It was more of thinking out loud there when I noticed how quickly Google pulled the game down. It almost felt like Google was just following after Apple and that there might be more to it. With how Epic acts, I wouldn't be shocked if other companies weren't a fan of them.
Even google has it in there policy that games must use google plays payment system. I chalked it up to one happened to notice it before the other.
 
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I think you could also pay tinder bypassing google play, it's not the same thing?
While I'm sure some people might treat Tinder like a game it is by definition not a game. They only apply the rule to games. Games attract more kids then other types of apps anyway so it makes sense that they would see it as the more likely place for predatory abuse would happen.
 

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While I'm sure some people might treat Tinder like a game it is by definition not a game. They only apply the rule to games. Games attract more kids then other types of apps anyway so it makes sense that they would see it as the more likely place for predatory abuse would happen.
I am talking about the payment system, unless "games apps" have a special rule under apple/google TC
 

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Honestly I absolutely hate and despise google and apples practices on just about everything.

I just HATE Epic more They DIRECTLY LIE about their BS Cut on their store taking more than even Apple and Googles does(one of the indies broke the NDA on it and epic is trying their best to scrub it sue the shit out of them) on top of being in cahoots with CHINA, the credit card malware they installed on the game store that auto add its if found, the same malware that took information out of steam to "populate your friends and profile", the constant logging of running executables and keylogging, the Major V bucks scam that affected thousands of people that even made paypal and nintendo fall into it, The exclusive shit for PC they have been doing, the shady ass dealings with publishers.

There is NO good will left in me to give Epic and any that defends them are either ignorant or complicit with them.
 
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I'm surprised so many people here are against Epic (and everywhere else really). If they succeed, they'll get app store overhead cut down to 1/3 of what it was and that would be great for the industry.

Yes they are breaking the deal they signed, and yes the stunt seems a bit foolhardy, but sometimes you have to break rules to disrupt entrenched practices.
 

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I'm surprised so many people here are against Epic (and everywhere else really). If they succeed, they'll get app store overhead cut down to 1/3 of what it was and that would be great for the industry.

Yes they are breaking the deal they signed, and yes the stunt seems a bit foolhardy, but sometimes you have to break rules to disrupt entrenched practices.

People are against epic for two core reasons:

1: End of the day, Epic is basically a puppet corperation run by a Chinese company. 40% don't sound like much until you remember that a majority of shareholders care more about the money than morals, so getting that 11% means 'as long as Tencent/CCP are making decisions for profit, we will go with the same thing'. This isn't even including the scummy stuff involving the Epic Store.

2: End of the day, once more: what Epic is doing is breaking contract law. They knew the terms to use the Apple Store PLATFORM, and they chose to forcibly end those terms. I presume Google is much the same, with them breaking ToS with Google.

While nobody likes Apple, and a decent share dislike Google, neither of them are actively breaking the law in this situation. Yes, all 3 companies are greedy, immoral, etc. But neither Apple nor Google went into this specifically aiming to intentionally break contract law THEN gloat about it arrogantly.

The 1984-tnite video speaks volumes that they had it prepared almost to the minute that Apple took them off the store. This is a giant publicity stunt in its worst form. I said this in the other topic but there's a trick in fascism (Why is this relevant? 1984 is about fascism) where a fascist group will attempt to do good things for you, convince you overthrowing the current establishment's for your own good. Then when they get their way, you don't realize that you're in it worse, and smiling as you eat dog kibble out of their hands instead of meatballs.

Yes, the Video implies that Apple (and now Google) are the "Fascists", but in reality, it's gaslighting. They're trying to convince you who the fascists are, while their own actions imply that they are just as bad, and they're posing themselves as righteous champions so you come clamoring and worshipping them.

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If Epic truly thought they were in the right, they'd let the court case speak for them.

Instead the first thing they did was bring attention to their fans in the 1984tnite video "We are attempting to overthrow the oppressors of Apple!" No. They're trying to turn this into another social justice war. Instead of letting the law speak for itself, they're trying to rile up people so, once they inevitably lose, they will probably claim 'this is a sign of the oppression' or something like that, and convince people to join them on their new mobile platform.

This is generally just a giant ploy. Mark my words.

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No company here is morally in the right, but Epic's the most morally incorrect of the bunch.
 
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All these companies suck, but I think I still side more with Epic on this one. Kinda bullshit that Apple and Google take such huge cuts of in-game purchases just for hosting the game on their app stores. Obviously, Epic could go on just fine continuing to give such large cuts to Apple and Google, but on a princple level, it annoys me that any other dev has to follow suit, including indie devs that are just trying to make ends meet.
Steam and Microsoft also take 30%. Don't know what Sony and Nintendo take.
 

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This is bad for Apple because EU has now more ammunition in anti-trust investigation. :P

Apple have far too much power and funds.

ANY fine is always trivial, but they often offer "incentives" not to take action and if they are fined, they just drag it out in the appeals, eventually they get it overturned.

In an ideal world, they'd be fined a huge proportion of their takings, not profits and have it charged instantly, with no recourse for appeal (obviously this can't happen), but even this aside, the world favours the rich and or powerful, they are literally untouchable, this is why they have little respect for the law.
 

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an industry standard remember Epic takes 60% dude and now they are fighting against the 30% that other platforms do.(indie broke an NDA to get that info to us epics been scrambling to erase it ever since)
Gonna need a reputable source on this one. Otherwise it's just hearsay and shouldn't be spread.
 

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30% to the digital distributor is the industry standard, Epic are just targeting Apple because other companies are already suing them. But a ruling in Epic's favor could have big implications for all the console manufacturers too, who are also running equally locked down walled gardens.
 

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