George Floyd bodycam footage leaks

As a person of color that supports black lives matter, George Floyd was clearly resisting arrest in the the video and could have avoided the whole situation. He had a criminal history which can give the officers a reason to be cautious. He was also actively high apparently that probably induced some of that paranoia and claustrophobia that he was feeling in the video.

I don't really support or understand putting pressure on someone's neck when their already on the ground. I still don't see the full story to judge if the cops should be arrested but clearly everyone has been over exaggerating the whole situation. There were good that came from this like the peaceful protests and support but the violent protests led to people hurt and killed.

GoldenBullet said:

As a person of color that supports black lives matter, George Floyd was clearly resisting arrest in the the video and could have avoided the whole situation. He had a criminal history which can give the officers a reason to be cautious. He was also actively high apparently that probably induced some of that paranoia and claustrophobia that he was feeling in the video.

I don't really support or understand putting pressure on someone's neck when their already on the ground. I still don't see the full story to judge if the cops should be arrested but clearly everyone has been over exaggerating the whole situation. There were good that came from this like the peaceful protests and support but the violent protests led to people hurt and killed.

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Violent black man on drugs, who could have not been killed with some luck, lead to good things and violent protests and people killed?

Police is missing from that statement. How do you manage that?

Is it racist wednesday followed by Carl with the weather?
The ease with which some pepes want to lay blame and hide the most important part of the story (police misconduct) is astonishing.

Keep trying.

So by now we have:

- He basically killed himself
- He could have easily avoided being killed
- He caused others being killed, and I guess some good things even
- Dying criminal man was responsible for riots, and riots are bad

All disregarding reality in favor of racial/behavioral whitewashing.

If you kneel on a guys neck for eight minutes, while he screams that he cant breath repeatedly, and then starts calling for his mom, and then dies, you are not a victim of circumstance - you are a sociopath, the police willingly and mistakingly embraced in their ranks. And your onlooking collegues, .. you fill out the blanks.

notimp said:

All disregarding reality in favor of racial/behavioral whitewashing.

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So what exactly makes this situation racial? I don't see anything at all making it racial.

Hating/disliking BLM doesn't solve anything your only making its point more stronger than it ever was.
You talk about violent protest and looting, but too ashamed to mention what caused these things to happen. If Hypocrites and Contradiction had a baby its this thread.
@crimpshrine
Unless you been living under a rock there have been numerous cases of white cops killing unarmed blacks over the past months and years

crimpshrine said:

So what exactly makes this situation racial? I don't see anything at all making it racial.

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• A black man was killed by police officers who are known for disproportionately killing, harassing and brutalizing black men.
• Police were called on him for an allegedly fake 20 dollar bill. I guarantee you if a white person used a genuinely fake bill, not only would the cops not be called on them but they also definitely wouldn't have been murdered.
• Dylann Roof murdered 9 people in a church and he was calmy arrested, he was even given burger king by cops. George Floyd used a possibly fake 20 dollar bill and he was murdered. Why?

To say there is no racial component to George Floyd's death is simply wrong and ignores the history of racially motivated police violence against black people spanning decades and decades of US history.

Literally, if the police never showed up, there never would have been a problem. George Floyd would have used his 20 dollars and simply left. But the police did show up, and they're the reason he died.

crimpshrine said:

So what exactly makes this situation racial? I don't see anything at all making it racial.

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Because the most likely circumstance for why you would try to paint the police out of the picture imho is, that you are acting out of barely covered racist motives.

Its currently as if a couple of you would portrait 'Marry Sue - knows nothing about racism' while screaming the most hateful racial epitaphs imaginable.

Blaming the entire incident on the guy that was killed (black, probably aggressive, dumb, and on drugs, and a criminal, and behaving 'incorrectly' (while laying pinned down face down on the concrete?), and having caused deaths in several cities, as a result fo his death, ...), is max. extreme already.

Forgetting to mention the part the police played, shouldnt be an accident either.

In case you were not (wtf?), I added /behavioral.

MasterJ360 said:

Hating/disliking BLM doesn't solve anything your only making its point more stronger than it ever was.
You talk about violent protest and looting, but too ashamed to mention what caused these things to happen. If Hypocrites and Contradiction had a baby its this thread.
@crimpshrine
Unless you been living under a rock there have been numerous cases of white cops killing unarmed blacks over the past months and years

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I specifically asked:
So what exactly makes this situation racial? I don't see anything at all making it racial.

Because the context of his post I responded to is tied to this event.

Doctors are accused of sexual abuse patients, do we get rid of doctors or decrease the # of them. Would that help? Or claim there is a greater problem with doctors?

There are bad people everywhere in the world. I believe people are generally more good then bad.

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Seliph said:

• A black man was killed by police officers who are known for disproportionately killing, harassing and brutalizing black men.
• Police were called on him for an allegedly fake 20 dollar bill. I guarantee you if a white person used a genuinely fake bill, not only would the cops not be called on them but they also definitely wouldn't have been murdered.
• Dylann Roof murdered 9 people in a church and he was calmy arrested, he was even given burger king by cops. George Floyd used a possibly fake 20 dollar bill and he was murdered. Why?

To say there is no racial component to George Floyd's death is simply wrong and ignores the history of racially motivated police violence against black people spanning decades and decades of US history.

Literally, if the police never showed up, there never would have been a problem. George Floyd would have used his 20 dollars and simply left. But the police did show up, and they're the reason he died.

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So it is your gut feeling. As far as George Floyd goes.

For someone like you the video does not matter then I take it.

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notimp said:

Because the most likely circumstance for why you would try to paint the police out of the picture imho is, that you are acting out of barely covered racist motives.

Its currently as if a couple of you would portrait 'Marry Sue - knows nothing about racism' while screaming the most hateful racial epitaphs imaginable.

Blaming the entire incident on the guy that was killed (black, probably aggressive, dumb, and on drugs, and a criminal, and behaving 'incorrectly' (while laying pinned down face down on the concrete?), and having caused deaths in several cities, as a result fo his death, ...), is max. extreme already.

Forgetting to mention the part the police played, shouldnt be an accident either.

In case you were not (wtf?), I added /behavioral.

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Now that we have the full body cam video we can see what transpired. I don't see anything that would suggest a "racist motive" What exactly in the bodycam footage suggests that to you?

If I replace George Floyd with a white dude who is messed up also on drugs, it changes nothing for me in how I view the interaction. Would I still feel the same way about the oficer that put his knee on the white guy? Yeah, would I have thought, white guy screwed up, damn. Yep. People have to start learning how to take personal responsibility for their actions.

If floyd would have not taken all those drugs or cooperated and followed instructions, he would still be alive. That came before the cop made a mistake. Everything leading up to the cops mistake did not seem to be racial or anything unreasonable. And I can replace Floyd with someone of any race and still feel the same.

crimpshrine said:

I specifically asked:
So what exactly makes this situation racial? I don't see anything at all making it racial.

Because the context of his post I responded to is tied to this event.

Doctors are accused of sexual abuse patients, do we get rid of doctors or decrease the # of them. Would that help? Or claim there is a greater problem with doctors?

There are bad people everywhere in the world. I believe people are generally more good then bad.

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So it is your gut feeling. As far as George Floyd goes.

For someone like you the video does not matter then I take it.

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Google search "I can't Breathe" you'll find that slogan strikingly similar to another black death years ago.
"If floyd would have not taken all those drugs or cooperated and followed instructions, he would still be alive."
And if black ppl were white they might not get shot at b/c of sterotype or if the runway unarmed....
Its ppl like you that we have BLM exist today. Your too busy trying to reason his death b/c you heard he had drugs they haven't stated what that drug was.... Hell he could be on medication for all we know.

This is a difficult issue, and I think a lot of people are weighing in on it without really having enough qualifications/understanding to do so. I think it was Plato who said (paraphrased) "pure democracy doesn't work," as it just boils down to mob rule.

Difficult questions to be answered (specific to the United States):

1. What is the appropriate level of equipment which should be supplied to officers to allow them to safely do their job on a day-to-day basis? Please keep in mind, there are more guns than there are people in the United States, with many of those being what are labelled as "assault weapons."
2. Is the training given to/expected of police officers currently adequate given their expected responsibilities? Would significantly reducing funding improve or worsen this situation?
3. How do we go about effectively reducing recreational drug use? The past 30 or 40 years in the USA have proven that enforcement through incarceration doesn't really work and creates its own set of problems. However, especially in cities on the west coast, the past decade or so has proven that decriminalization and social programs also come with their own set of (perhaps more noticeable) problems. What is the happy midpoint, and what are the unique aspects of American culture that make it so that policies that work so well in other parts of the world absolutely fail here?
4. Does it make sense to mandate a country-wide set of hiring/training/operational standards for police? The United States is a very large place, and the situations encountered by township police in the middle of nowhere in West Virginia would be very different from that of the LAPD.
5. How do you quantify "necessary force"? Split-second decisions need to be made that can (given the above) vastly impact the safety of officers/suspects/bystanders involved. It's always easy and fun to play "Monday morning quarterback," but in the heat of the moment, with adrenaline pumping and lives at risk, what is the likelihood of an individual always making the correct decision? This doesn't just apply to the police officers, but to the suspects and bystanders as well. Can someone truly be held accountable for their actions if they are under the influence of hard drugs or mental health crisis? At what point can you claim that someone is a "danger to themselves and others"?

There's a lot going on here. Many difficult questions and deeply rooted issues. It's not as simple as "racist cop bad" and "abolish police."

crimpshrine said:

So it is your gut feeling. As far as George Floyd goes.

For someone like you the video does not matter then I take it.

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Why would anything he did in the video warrant his death or the force officers used? Why was a gun pulled on Floyd over a non-violent crime he didn't even commit? Why couldn't officers simply just let Floyd sit on the ground and collect himself before putting him in the police car? Why was he arrested even if there was no evidence of a crime?

This isn't just a gut feeling. I've seen this exact interaction or similar interactions play out over and over again in videos I see online and it's disgusting.

So I'm gonna copy and paste what I said earlier because you literally ignored it lmao:

• A black man was killed by police officers who are known for disproportionately killing, harassing and brutalizing black men.
• Police were called on him for an allegedly fake 20 dollar bill. I guarantee you if a white person used a genuinely fake bill, not only would the cops not be called on them but they also definitely wouldn't have been murdered.
• Dylann Roof murdered 9 people in a church and he was calmy arrested, he was even given burger king by cops. George Floyd used a possibly fake 20 dollar bill and he was murdered. Why?

To say there is no racial component to George Floyd's death is simply wrong and ignores the history of racially motivated police violence against black people spanning decades and decades of US history.

Literally, if the police never showed up, there never would have been a problem. George Floyd would have used his 20 dollars and simply left. But the police did show up, and they're the reason he died.

MasterJ360 said:

Google search "I can't Breathe" you'll find that slogan strikingly similar to another black death years ago.

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Can you be a little more specific? What are you suggesting, was there another death from someone that had a knee applied in a similar manner and that you are suggesting they should stop using that tactic? I could get on board with that, but not really following.

If the charge will drops, I believe it will be the break point for next american Race civil war.

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Can you be a little more specific? What are you suggesting, was there another death from someone that had a knee applied in a similar manner and that you are suggesting they should stop using that tactic? I could get on board with that, but not really following.

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"Eric Garner"

Seliph said:

Why would anything he did in the video warrant his death or the force officers used? Why was a gun pulled on Floyd over a non-violent crime he didn't even commit? Why couldn't officers simply just let Floyd sit on the ground and collect himself before putting him in the police car? Why was he arrested even if there was no evidence of a crime?

This isn't just a gut feeling. I've seen this exact interaction or similar interactions play out over and over again in videos I see online and it's disgusting.

So I'm gonna copy and paste what I said earlier because you literally ignored it lmao:

• A black man was killed by police officers who are known for disproportionately killing, harassing and brutalizing black men.
• Police were called on him for an allegedly fake 20 dollar bill. I guarantee you if a white person used a genuinely fake bill, not only would the cops not be called on them but they also definitely wouldn't have been murdered.
• Dylann Roof murdered 9 people in a church and he was calmy arrested, he was even given burger king by cops. George Floyd used a possibly fake 20 dollar bill and he was murdered. Why?

To say there is no racial component to George Floyd's death is simply wrong and ignores the history of racially motivated police violence against black people spanning decades and decades of US history.

Literally, if the police never showed up, there never would have been a problem. George Floyd would have used his 20 dollars and simply left. But the police did show up, and they're the reason he died.

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You must not believe in personal responsibility.

Where I live when counterfeit money is passed police are called. They often want to talk to who passed it if the person is available. The police attempted to do that with Floyd, and Floyd is who escalated things from that point, does not seem out of the ordinary or suspect to me.

Sounds to me you assume the worst.

And you keep saying he was murdered for that. No he wasn't, I don't understand your logic.

If he would have complied with their requests he would still be alive. If he would have not been under the influence of what likely contributed to his death he would likely still be alive.

You saying he was murdered for using a 20 dollar bill is totally dishonest. To make that true they would have had to murder him the moment they showed up. The body cam footage indicates a progression that lead to the mistake the cop made out of a series of choices that floyd put into motion.

Like the cop drawing the gun initially. He even told floyd if he would have just put both hands on the steering wheel instead of doing something with his right hand and not complying, he would not have drawn his gun. Seems reasonable to me. Cops should not be expected to gamble with their lives when someone in a vehicle is not listening and doing the opposite of what is being asked of them.

crimpshrine said:

You must not believe in personal responsibility.

Where I live when counterfeit money is passed police are called. They often want to talk to who passed it if the person is available. The police attempted to do that with Floyd, and Floyd is who escalated things from that point, does not seem out of the ordinary or suspect to me.

Sounds to me you assume the worst.

And you keep saying he was murdered for that. No he wasn't, I don't understand your logic.

If he would have complied with their requests he would still be alive. If he would have not been under the influence of what likely contributed to his death he would likely still be alive.

You saying he was murdered for using a 20 dollar bill is totally dishonest. To make that true they would have had to murder him the moment they showed up. The body cam footage indicates a progression that lead to the mistake the cop made out of a series of choices that floyd put into motion.

Like the cop drawing the gun initially. He even told floyd if he would have just put both hands on the steering wheel instead of doing something with his right hand and not complying, he would not have drawn his gun. Seems reasonable to me. Cops should not be expected to gamble with their lives when someone in a vehicle is not listening and doing the opposite of what is being asked of them.

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But that was b4 he was handcuffed. There should be no reason for him to die in custody especially with 4 cops around him. But if you did your research this isn't the 1st time we seen something like this. Not a single cop bothered to call emergency when he pleaded for his life short of breath which can come from anxiety and body stress from resisting. Ofc you'll just pull out the drug card despite the fact he was face flat on concrete with a knee on his neck.. Ya know, resisting can come from fear, but you kinda have to be black to understand his situation.

MasterJ360 said:

But that was b4 he was handcuffed. There should be no reason for him to die in custody especially with 4 cops around him. But if you did your research this isn't the 1st time we seen something like this. Not a single cop bothered to call emergency when he pleaded for his life short of breath which can come from anxiety and body stress from resisting. Ofc you'll just pull out the drug card despite the fact he was face flat on concrete with a knee on his neck.

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LOL, you know how many cops there are in the USA? There are people that make mistakes and people that do harm on purpose in EVERY SINGLE profession on earth.

There are gynecologists that molest and sexualy abuse their patients
There are doctors that make mistakes and their patients die or doctors that do wrong on purpose.
There are nurses that give the wrong medication that leads to someones death

It goes on and on and on. Do all of these professions require drastic change now?

The body cam footage shows clearly, there was no racial motivation, it also shows clearly that Floyd was on something that might have even caused his death. Floyd was who decided to get down on the ground, the cops wanted him in the back seat safely. He would not comply Did the cop make a mistake with putting his knee on him? Yes, did he plan on murdering Floyd. I don't believe so.

Actually I should say, did he plan on contributing to his death POSSIBLE, because we still don't know 100% if he murdered him or it was the lethal level of drugs in his system.

crimpshrine said:

LOL, you know how many cops there are in the USA? There are people that make mistakes and people that do harm on purpose in EVERY SINGLE profession on earth.

There are gynecologists that molest and sexualy abuse their patients
There are doctors that make mistakes and their patients die or doctors that do wrong on purpose.
There are nurses that give the wrong medication that leads to someones death

It goes on and on and on. Do all of these professions require drastic change now?

The body cam footage shows clearly, there was no racial motivation, it also shows clearly that Floyd was on something that might have even caused his death. Floyd was who decided to get down on the ground, the cops wanted him in the back seat safely. He would not comply Did the cop make a mistake with putting his knee on him? Yes, did he plan on murdering Floyd. I don't believe so.

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Exactly my point you nailed it:
"The body cam footage shows clearly, there was no racial motivation"
This is bigger than the video its about why we keep getting reports of white cops killing blacks in an unprofessional manner. Open your eyes and research whats going on in the world. Clicking 1 video case from Twitter isn't going to give you all the answers crimp.

Seliph said:

Why would anything he did in the video warrant his death or the force officers used? Why was a gun pulled on Floyd over a non-violent crime he didn't even commit? Why couldn't officers simply just let Floyd sit on the ground and collect himself before putting him in the police car? Why was he arrested even if there was no evidence of a crime?

This isn't just a gut feeling. I've seen this exact interaction or similar interactions play out over and over again in videos I see online and it's disgusting.

So I'm gonna copy and paste what I said earlier because you literally ignored it lmao:

• A black man was killed by police officers who are known for disproportionately killing, harassing and brutalizing black men.
• Police were called on him for an allegedly fake 20 dollar bill. I guarantee you if a white person used a genuinely fake bill, not only would the cops not be called on them but they also definitely wouldn't have been murdered.
• Dylann Roof murdered 9 people in a church and he was calmy arrested, he was even given burger king by cops. George Floyd used a possibly fake 20 dollar bill and he was murdered. Why?

To say there is no racial component to George Floyd's death is simply wrong and ignores the history of racially motivated police violence against black people spanning decades and decades of US history.

Literally, if the police never showed up, there never would have been a problem. George Floyd would have used his 20 dollars and simply left. But the police did show up, and they're the reason he died.

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MasterJ360 said:

But that was b4 he was handcuffed. There should be no reason for him to die in custody especially with 4 cops around him. But if you did your research this isn't the 1st time we seen something like this. Not a single cop bothered to call emergency when he pleaded for his life short of breath which can come from anxiety and body stress from resisting. Ofc you'll just pull out the drug card despite the fact he was face flat on concrete with a knee on his neck.. Ya know, resisting can come from fear, but you kinda have to be black to understand his situation.

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Not claiming that this is or isn't true, but I am curious about your opinions, so let us consider the following purely for discussion (again, the humble reader can have their own opinions, one way or the other):

There is institutional racism present within the police force across the United States. For this to have happened, this particular career path needs to have originally been attractive to a specific kind of person who is prone to this type of thinking. Again, for the sake of argument, let's assume this type of person is a more "blue collar," "hometown" kind of person with (probably) limited education and more emphasis on traditional values. Once there was a high enough density of like-minded people enrolled in/controlling the police force(s), they could protect their own and "overlook" issues involving racism, which leads us to where we are today.

Given the above:

1. How do we go about changing society's perception of policing such that it attracts a different kind of person? Assuming you are that type of person, would you become a police officer? Why or why not?
2. There are many studies that indicate that everyone is implicitly biased in one way or another. It is a natural phenomena in human beings. How would you go about identifying if someone's biases have crossed the line into racism? What would you consider appropriate methods for removing people's existing biases?
3. What would be an appropriate method for removing existing bad actors in policing roles? How would you go about doing this without impacting law enforcement in the areas affected departments serve? Would you be able to accomplish this while also decreasing costs?
4. Tangentially related, what would you suggest would be a good metric for determining patrol routes? There have been multiple examples that even when patrol routes are calculated using AI/machine learning algorithms, they disproportionately target minority neighborhoods. In that case, do you think the underlying problem is still racism, or is it more economically/historically/statistically based?

The leaked video just proves every thing I knew from the beginning.
People were only shown one side of the story after George Kirby laid on the ground that fit the agenda of the Lame stream communist propaganda media.
The cops were only doing their jobs according to their training.
George Kirby was high as a kite and died from a drug overdose.
The cops did not go "hunting for a blacky" that day.
He resisted arrest the entire time.
Democrats/leftist couldn't care less about George or the countless lives lost due to him overdosing.
Did he deserve to die? No, but he brought it upon himself.
Did the other 26+ black people/children killed due to the BLM riots (or peaceful protests as the media would lead you to believe) deserve to die over a worthless drug fiend? No, they didn't.

Also, reading the first couple of pages of this thread shows that a lot of people commenting didn't bother watching the video and decided to just to type their unfounded opinions based on what their leaders told them happened in the video.
The police arrested George, they tried to put him in a vehicle, he cried like a baby that he was claustrophobic (even though he had no problem sitting in his own vehicle), he pushed himself out the other side of the police vehicle and asked to be put on the ground and held. That's when the video ends. Nothing about race, no police brutality, no reason to burn down countless black neighborhoods/businesses, and no reason to kill more black people over the death of a criminal.

I hope the police get off as this video shows they did nothing wrong which is what I always knew from the beginning.

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Not claiming that this is or isn't true, but I am curious about your opinions, so let us consider the following purely for discussion (again, the humble reader can have their own opinions, one way or the other):

There is institutional racism present within the police force across the United States. For this to have happened, this particular career path needs to have originally been attractive to a specific kind of person who is prone to this type of thinking. Again, for the sake of argument, let's assume this type of person is a more "blue collar," "hometown" kind of person with (probably) limited education and more emphasis on traditional values. Once there was a high enough density of like-minded people enrolled in/controlling the police force(s), they could protect their own and "overlook" issues involving racism, which leads us to where we are today.

Given the above:

1. How do we go about changing society's perception of policing such that it attracts a different kind of person? Assuming you are that type of person, would you become a police officer? Why or why not?
2. There are many studies that indicate that everyone is implicitly biased in one way or another. It is a natural phenomena in human beings. How would you go about identifying if someone's biases have crossed the line into racism? What would you consider appropriate methods for removing people's existing biases?
3. What would be an appropriate method for removing existing bad actors in policing roles? How would you go about doing this without impacting law enforcement in the areas affected departments serve? Would you be able to accomplish this while also decreasing costs?
4. Tangentially related, what would you suggest would be a good metric for determining patrol routes? There have been multiple examples that even when patrol routes are calculated using AI/machine learning algorithms, they disproportionately target minority neighborhoods. In that case, do you think the underlying problem is still racism, or is it more economically/historically/statistically based?

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Its coming to a point where blacks are actually fearful of their lives when they are around officers so we have incidents like this. Yes they do crimes to cause this attention, but alot of these incidents are petty stuff like a speeding ticket or selling cigarettes/weed on the streets thats should be an easy handcuff jail lock up protocol.
When a suspect runs away you or they are suppose to call for backup not kill them on the scene they are no threat unarmed. Ahmaud Arbery and Rayshard Brooks both killed in Georgia recently unarmed resisting out of fear. Rayshard was shot in the back for running away in a parking lot the surveillance cam recorded everything. Personally taser guns would be more effective in these situations, but there are cases where ppl die from abusive use of it which is also something cops should be professionalized trained for.