George Floyd bodycam footage leaks

SG854 · Aug 5, 2020

What do you make of the new footage?

The link bellow lists reasons on how charges against the cops may be dropped.

https://medium.com/@gavrilodavid/why-derek-chauvin-may-get-off-his-murder-charge-2e2ad8d0911

George Floyd was experiencing cardiopulmonary and psychological distress minutes before he was placed on the ground, let alone had a knee to his neck.

The Minneapolis Police Department (MPD) allows the use of neck restraint on suspects who actively resist arrest, and George Floyd actively resisted arrest on two occasions, including immediately prior to neck restraint being used.

The officers were recorded on their body cams assessing George Floyd as suffering from “excited delirium syndrome” (ExDS), a condition which the MPD considers an extreme threat to both the officers and the suspect. A white paper used by the MPD acknowledges that ExDS suspects may die irrespective of force involved. The officers’ response to this situation was in line with MPD guidelines for ExDS.

Restraining the suspect on his or her abdomen (prone restraint) is a common tactic in ExDS situations, and the white paper used by the MPD instructs the officers to control the suspect until paramedics arrive.

Floyd’s autopsy revealed a potentially lethal concoction of drugs — not just a potentially lethal dose of fentanyl, but also methamphetamine. Together with his history of drug abuse and two serious heart conditions, Floyd’s condition was exceptionally and unusually fragile.

Chauvin’s neck restraint is unlikely to have exerted a dangerous amount of force to Floyd’s neck. Floyd is shown on video able to lift his head and neck, and a robust study on double-knee restraints showed a median force exertion of approximately approximately 105lbs.

What do you make of all this? Do you think the officers will get charged? Or will the charges be dropped?

SG854 · Aug 5, 2020

My opinion is I don't know.

I think the officers actions were wrong. But the were apparantly following the guidelines of the MPD rules. And the rules I think are bad as officers aren't medically trained to properly judge a ExDS situation.

If they can prove that they were intentionally trying to kill geroge floyd then the officers will get charged.

Darth Meteos · Aug 5, 2020

he knelt on floyd's neck for 8 minutes
even if he came at them with a fucking knife, once he was restrained, chauvin continued to kneel on his neck, despite floyd's assertions that he couldn't breathe

this is not relevant

MasterJ360 · Aug 5, 2020

Sounds like a cover up attempt to me. The footage is enough proof alone I don't care what the documents or any piece of paper says.
The man was already restrained under a life threatening situation. There was no need to be on his neck if he was handcuffed.

SG854 · Aug 5, 2020

Darth Meteos said:
he knelt on floyd's neck for 8 minutes
even if he came at them with a fucking knife, once he was restrained, chauvin continued to kneel on his neck, despite floyd's assertions that he couldn't breathe

this is not relevant

Probably a cover up by the police. But it might be enough to exonerate them in court.

Darth Meteos · Aug 5, 2020

SG854 said:
Probably a cover up by the police. But it might be enough to exonerate them in court.

cops were exonerated in that case where the officer gunned down an unarmed crying dude on the ground
that cop got temporarily rehired secretly so he could get a disability pension
they don't need a cover up to be exonerated, my guy
the fix was in before you were born

MasterJ360 said:
Sounds like a cover up attempt to me. The footage is enough proof alone I don't care what the documents or any piece of paper says.
The man was already restrained under a life threatening situation. There was no need to be on his neck if he was handcuffed.

who to believe, the murderers or your lying eyes

SG854 · Aug 5, 2020

Darth Meteos said:
he knelt on floyd's neck for 8 minutes
even if he came at them with a fucking knife, once he was restrained, chauvin continued to kneel on his neck, despite floyd's assertions that he couldn't breathe

this is not relevant

8 min was too long. But if they can prove that they weren't putting too much force on his neck and that the cause of death was from the dangerous amount of drugs in Floyd's system. Then they may get exonerated.

It seems to me that too much force was applied. There may have been a moment floyd was able to lift his neck which indicates not too much force was used, but more force may have been put on his neck afterwards which caused his death.

MasterJ360 · Aug 5, 2020

Darth Meteos said:
cops were exonerated in that case where the officer gunned down an unarmed crying dude on the ground
that cop got temporarily rehired secretly so he could get a disability pension
they don't need a cover up to be exonerated, my guy
the fix was in before you were born

who to believe, the murderers or your lying eyes

We can debate corrupted justice all day, but if takes more than 2 cops to handle 1 handcuffed person resulting death I think your eyes and common sense need checking. He pleaded he couldn't breath and look what happen to him.... If these cops don't get charged we are looking at State of Emergency riots.

Deleted User · Aug 5, 2020

George Floyd is arrested and hes singing like a bird. Its game over.

Darth Meteos · Aug 5, 2020

MasterJ360 said:
We can debate corrupted justice all day but if takes more than 2 cops to handle 1 handcuffed person resulting death I think your eyes and common sense need checking. He pleased he couldn't breath and look what happen to him.... If these cops don't get charged we are looking at State of Emergency riots.

i guess i need to be more obvious

Darth Meteos said:
who to believe, the people who murdered george floyd saying "b-but it didn't happen" or the literal footage that shows the murder taking place

SG854 · Aug 5, 2020

Darth Meteos said:
cops were exonerated in that case where the officer gunned down an unarmed crying dude on the ground
that cop got temporarily rehired secretly so he could get a disability pension
they don't need a cover up to be exonerated, my guy
the fix was in before you were born

who to believe, the murderers or your lying eyes

I don't think that will happen with this floyd case because alot of people want to see Chauvin convicted and charged with murder.

Darth Meteos · Aug 5, 2020

SG854 said:
I don't think that will happen with this floyd case because alot of people want to see Chauvin convicted and charged with murder.

oh my sweet summer child
you think protests matter to these people?
you really think this is a representative democracy?
they'll charge him with first-degree murder, then his lawyers will argue he didn't meant to, swear on your life, guv!
then he'll get a not guilty to the first degree murder charge, and he'll get a slap on the wrist.
the cops and the media will say "look, he's been fired, and his wrist is awful red from that slap! another win for the police and justice!"

And nothing will change.
Sure, there'll be placations, and some places might even defund the police! But wide-reaching, systemic change? When it's between Fascist Don and Republican Joe? Hahahahahahahahahahahaha
Cute.

SG854 · Aug 5, 2020

In the video Floyd was also saying that he couldn't breath even before they placed his knee on his neck, when he was in the cop car. And his shortness of breath seems to be caused by the drugs he took.

They can use in court that the cops may have thought his complaints of not being able to breath was from the drugs he took and not because of the pressure they put on his neck.

I'm not saying this is what I agree with, but I'm just throwing out there what they could use in court to defend the cops.

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Darth Meteos said:
oh my sweet summer child
you think protests matter to these people?
you really think this is a representative democracy?
they'll charge him with first-degree murder, then his lawyers will argue he didn't meant to, swear on your life, guv!
then he'll get a not guilty to the first degree murder charge, and he'll get a slap on the wrist.
the cops and the media will say "look, he's been fired, and his wrist is awful red from that slap! another win for the police and justice!"

And nothing will change.
Sure, there'll be placations, and some places might even defund the police! But wide-reaching, systemic change? When it's between Fascist Don and Republican Joe? Hahahahahahahahahahahaha
Cute.

No need to be an asshole. And don't be so sure of yourself. And if what you said is what will happen doesn't prove anything. Cops do get charged. There may be corruption in the system where cops get away. But you never know if this will be a corrupted case or not. I'm not going to pretend that I can judge future events or know how everything will go.

Xzi · Aug 5, 2020

Fuck around and find out, that's all I got to say. If you think the protests and riots as a result of this murder have been bad up until now, try letting this pig walk away scot-free. Motherfucker will be looking over his shoulder for the rest of his (presumably short) life. No justice, no peace.

SG854 · Aug 5, 2020

For this one I'm going to step in the side lines, and not give much input besides what I've already said and see what people will say about this and what information they find.

And please don't talk about how Floyd was a criminal or trump or socialism. Keep it to the topic and keep it to evidence you can find if the cops did intentionally try to kill floyd, or how they will manipulating the system and evidence to get away free of charge, or if you believe they are innocent.

SG854 · Aug 5, 2020

Xzi said:
Fuck around and find out, that's all I got to say. If you think the protests and riots as a result of this murder have been bad up until now, try letting this pig walk away scot-free. Motherfucker will be looking over his shoulder for the rest of his (presumably short) life. No justice, no peace.

Ya his life is screwed. It will never be the same even if they drop charges. I have a feeling that someone will try to assassinate him. And riots will be much more worse if charges are dropped.

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Narmy said:
He's clearly on drugs. He resists getting in the police car. He complains about not being able to breathe before he is ever on the ground. He asks to lay on the ground. Most likely had a heart attack like the original coroner said.

But also be aware that coroner could be lying too. Police manipulate the system many times. Its really trying to figure out who's lying and whose telling the truth.

Xzi · Aug 5, 2020

Narmy said:
He asks to lay on the ground. Most likely had a heart attack like the original coroner said.

Oh fuck off. Did he ask for Chauvin to kneel on his neck for eight minutes too? Can you even hold your breath for more than one minute? Coroners will write whatever the fuck the police tell them to. Floyd died of asphyxiation or a broken neck, nobody needs an expert to tell them that with video evidence this complete.

anhminh · Aug 5, 2020

Okay, we need someone to kneel on other neck for 8 minutes to see if it could actually kill a person or not. Maybe we misunderstand the cops and George Floyd actually kill himself with his action.

SG854 · Aug 5, 2020

Xzi said:
Oh fuck off. Did he ask for Chauvin to kneel on his neck for eight minutes too? Can you even hold your breath for more than one minute? Coroners will write whatever the fuck the police tell them to. Floyd died of asphyxiation or a broken neck, nobody needs an expert to tell them that with video evidence this complete.

According to this it was asphyxiation by compression to the neck

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/article/george-floyd-autopsy-michael-baden.amp.html

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Narmy said:
I wonder if that pregnant woman he robbed, cried and begged "please don't shoot me" as pathetically as this fucking sobbing loser did, fuck off.

This isn't about his criminal history. His criminal history isn't the the focus of this thread. This is about if the cops did wrong. His criminal history doesn't excuse cops that may be abusing their power.

cracker · Aug 5, 2020

I've seen this video and it makes the cops look even worse. He isn't fighting back like they made it sound like. He is in an anxious state because he knew what could happen. The cops proved his point. In such a state, your muscles can lock just like his appear to have been. He gave them NO GOOD reason for them to murder him.

I say what's good for the goose is good for the gander. Set them all free. After they face their 8:46.

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