Rep. Urges Democratic Party Removed for Historically Supporting Racism

Seliph · Jul 27, 2020

Teslas Fate said:
The terms invalid we elect or officials (maybe except for you I feel you’re the type who doesn’t vote then complains when elections are over and the elected official isn’t who you wanted) unless you’re saying the elections are rigged I remember trump saying that expecting Hillary to win but when it ended up Trump getting the win dems wanted to say the same thing and ended not finding any evidence. So why do you say it’s plutocracy?

Actually this is the first year I get to vote and I am thoroughly depressed with my options, it's the whole reason why I've lost faith in our electoral system.

Copying and pasting these from different sources on the web as to why the US is a plutocracy because I simply don't care enough to write you an essay.

Yes, without a doubt, America is a plutocracy.

When the wealthy and the corporations can buy congressmen and presidents, that is a plutocracy.

When someone is a lobbyist for a corporation one day and a regulator of that same industry the next day, that is a plutocracy.

When the poor and middle class are ignored outright because they can't afford to contribute to election campaigns, that is plutocracy.

Yes, America is a plutocracy. Our Civics books have it wrong.
The media empires are also part of that plutocracy. Voters are mostly influenced by what they hear from the corporate controlled media. Media guides voters to and from candidates based on how they decide to report on them.

In the past, freedom of the press was associated with state control over media. But today the focus needs to be on corporate control over the media. Can such a thing as freedom of the press exist when its under total corporate control?
America is run by lobbyists and political action committees (PACs). They have lots and lots of money, so in that sense, yes, the wealthy control America. Also, we have the issue of electronic voting machines. They are rigged. So, we need to limit lobbyists ability to bribe our politicians, and we need to get rid of electronic voting machines. Only then will we have a chance at our country being a government that is "of the people, by the people, for the people".

https://scholar.princeton.edu/sites...testing_theories_of_american_politics.doc.pdf Here's an 18-page study if you want to read it.
Essentially, corporations have their hands in every facet of US "democracy"

They control our media and influence our votes.
They donate vast sums to politicians they want to win and to convince politicians to support their interests (lobbying).
It is virtually impossible to get anywhere in politics without very good connections or a lot of money, or both. Most politicians tend to make 6 figure salaries.

What it boils down to is the fact that most politicians get bought out by corporate lobbyists, which generally leads to corporations having more power in this nation than actual individual politicians.

Look at the recent elections in Kentucky (this type of stuff happens all across the US as well), look at voter-id laws, look at the way felons are unable to vote, look up the Southern Strategy, look up Gerrymandering. These are all tactics that politicians use to circumvent the will of the people (especially marginalized people), we will not live in a true Democracy until shit like what happened in Kentucky doesn't happen, we will not live in a true democracy until we abolish the Plutocracy.

If you ignore everything else I've listed, just check out this video. It's very compelling

MFDC12 · Jul 27, 2020

UltraSUPRA said:
The point I'm trying to get at is that people should be able to keep more of what they earn. However, in a communist society, you earn nothing, and in a tax-funded occupation, you earn the same no matter what, so why work at all?

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That's not flat.

Work in an anarchist/communist society is going to be different. You aren't going to become a doctor for money, you are becoming one to help people. I'd argue this is going to give better care because the doctors I've had you can obviously tell they don't give a crap about you that they are just doing it for a paycheck (ESPECIALLY psychiatrists in my experience) - the ones who truly care are the ones who went in to help people.

Why do people bother doing doctors without borders? They only get less than 2k a month. The answer is they do it to help people. The dude who invented the polio vaccine didn't do it for financial gain - he didn't patent it for that reason. It was given out free for a good bit too.

In a leftist society is sorta something like this:
a) to live in say, a commune, everyone pitches in to do stuff maybe a few hours a month/week/whatever that is the "dirty work" ie garbage collection
b) menial things will be automated when possible to minimize point a
c) you pursue what YOU want to focus on because of this. If you want to be a doctor, you don't need student loans putting you in debt or holding you back (keep in mind there are several barriers that keep poor (especially POC) from getting into college/succeeding *). I saw you mention student loans are on option in another comment - which is obvious, and it comes with a lot of issues especially if you got suckered into a for-profit university and can't get hired in that field, if you want to continue education with a masters/phd (those aren't cheap yaknow) or change focus because you realize you don't like the degree you had, etc etc etc
d) and even with that most jobs in a society like this will be vastly different anyways, ie a severely reduced week than 40 hours because the access to education/whatever is more available to people are going to have more free time to do what _they_ want to do with their life because there will be more people in their field.

Hopefully this was coherent, it's late and I'm tired lol

* https://theithacan.org/news/low-income-students-face-systemic-barriers-to-college-access/

re: the flat statement, as shadow mentioned a flat tax is only going to hurt low/middle class folks.

ThatGamingAirman · Jul 27, 2020

Seliph said:
Actually this is the first year I get to vote and I am thoroughly depressed with my options, it's the whole reason why I've lost faith in our electoral system.

Copying and pasting these from different sources on the web as to why the US is a plutocracy because I simply don't care enough to write you an essay.

Yes, without a doubt, America is a plutocracy.

When the wealthy and the corporations can buy congressmen and presidents, that is a plutocracy.

When someone is a lobbyist for a corporation one day and a regulator of that same industry the next day, that is a plutocracy.

When the poor and middle class are ignored outright because they can't afford to contribute to election campaigns, that is plutocracy.

Yes, America is a plutocracy. Our Civics books have it wrong.

The media empires are also part of that plutocracy. Voters are mostly influenced by what they hear from the corporate controlled media. Media guides voters to and from candidates based on how they decide to report on them.

In the past, freedom of the press was associated with state control over media. But today the focus needs to be on corporate control over the media. Can such a thing as freedom of the press exist when its under total corporate control?

America is run by lobbyists and political action committees (PACs). They have lots and lots of money, so in that sense, yes, the wealthy control America. Also, we have the issue of electronic voting machines. They are rigged. So, we need to limit lobbyists ability to bribe our politicians, and we need to get rid of electronic voting machines. Only then will we have a chance at our country being a government that is "of the people, by the people, for the people".

https://scholar.princeton.edu/sites...testing_theories_of_american_politics.doc.pdf Here's an 18-page study if you want to read it.

Essentially, corporations have their hands in every facet of US "democracy"

They control our media and influence our votes.

They donate vast sums to politicians they want to win and to convince politicians to support their interests (lobbying).

It is virtually impossible to get anywhere in politics without very good connections or a lot of money, or both. Most politicians tend to make 6 figure salaries.

What it boils down to is the fact that most politicians get bought out by lobbyists, which generally leads to lobbyists having more power in this nation than actual individual politicians.

Look at the recent elections in Kentucky (this type of stuff happens all across the US as well), look at voter-id laws, look at the way felons are unable to vote, look up the Southern Strategy, look up Gerrymandering. These are all tactics that politicians use to circumvent the will of the people (especially marginalized people), we will not live in a true Democracy until shit like what happened in Kentucky doesn't happen, we will not live in a true democracy until we abolish the Plutocracy.

If you ignore everything else I've listed, just check out this video. It's very compelling

I only really see one source I could trust that being Princeton. But plutocracy here is actually the swamp the area of our government with corruption also the very thing Trump was trying to get rid of before hit with democratic bs. But nowadays The Swamp is fake republicans and the Democratic Party as a whole

Seliph · Jul 27, 2020

Teslas Fate said:
I only really see one source I could trust that being Princeton. But plutocracy here is actually the swamp the area of our government with corruption also the very thing Trump was trying to get rid of before hit with democratic bs. But nowadays The Swamp is fake republicans and the Democratic Party as a whole

Way to ignore absolutely everything I just said to you.

I knew it was a mistake to try and rationalize with someone who has an Elon Musk pfp

ThatGamingAirman · Jul 27, 2020

Seliph said:
Way to ignore absolutely everything I just said to you.

I knew it was a mistake to try and rationalize with someone who has an Elon Musk pfp

I didn’t ignore it I just didn’t acknowledge it based on the fact that lobbyists influence the government to ultimately listen to the people of America by listening to its state and further researching issues to further inform government officials. https://puglieseassociates.com/lobbying-humble-roots-integral-government-process/
This site holds more value then me reciprocating it.

And as for your fine print my pfp has nothing do to with you “rationalizing” with me because you aren’t really doing that merely spewing bs “facts” that are easily rebutted.

FanofFans · Jul 27, 2020

morvoran said:
It's about time somebody goes after the true racist organization that has been ruining America and causing so much destruction of not only democrat ran cities but our society as a whole.

You can protest that confederate statues need to be removed even though they are inanimate objects doing no harm and argue that police shouldn't kill lifelong criminals that intend to kill them first, but you, definitely, should not ignore the source of all your grief which has always been the power hungry democrat party.

I salute Rep. Gohmert for taking this brave stand against this oppressive cult.

... uninformed idiot... I cannot even read this bull.

Seliph · Jul 27, 2020

Teslas Fate said:
I didn’t ignore it I just didn’t acknowledge it based on the fact that lobbyists influence the government to ultimately listen to the people of America

That makes no sense, isn't the role of government to listen to the people? Why would corporate lobbyists do that for the government? Literally in the study I linked you it shows how lobbyists work against the American people, you can also find that in the video I sent you both of these things directly contradict your article. You haven't refuted a single thing I've said to you, you've just given me one article of corporate lobbyist propaganda.

Teslas Fate said:
you aren’t really doing that merely spewing bs “facts” that are easily rebutted.

You have yet to rebut them.

ThatGamingAirman · Jul 27, 2020

Seliph said:
That makes no sense, isn't the role of government to listen to the people? Why would corporate lobbyists do that for the government? Literally in the study I linked you it shows how lobbyists work against the American people, you can also find that in the video I sent you both of these things directly contradict your article. You haven't refuted a single thing I've said to you, you've just given me one article of corporate lobbyist propaganda.

You have yet to rebut them.

Right he doesn’t realize most government officials care about themselves. Call it propaganda but it’s more factual than your so called factual video and research from a school ran by liberals (true propaganda btw). If they work against Americans then how come most of what they do positively helps us? (Oh right it’s not seen that way to you)

jimbo13 · Jul 27, 2020

You can say nothing about the confederate flag that can't be said about democrats, and the fact is every single last one of these cities that have had wide spread police abuse and systemic ethnic poverty have been ran by democrats for the last 50+ years.

Seliph · Jul 27, 2020

Teslas Fate said:
Right he doesn’t realize most government officials care about themselves. Call it propaganda but it’s more factual than your so called factual video and research from a school ran by liberals (true propaganda btw). If they work against Americans then how come most of what they do positively helps us? (Oh right it’s not seen that way to you)

God you're hopeless

ThatGamingAirman · Jul 27, 2020

Seliph said:
God you're hopeless

You hear that god he says your hopeless does that mean you’re sending him to hell?

Seliph · Jul 27, 2020

Teslas Fate said:
You hear that god he says your hopeless does that mean you’re sending him to hell?

you're*

jimbo13 · Jul 27, 2020

Joe Biden worried in 1977 that certain de-segregation policies would cause his children to grow up 'in a racial jungle'

https://www.businessinsider.com/biden-said-desegregation-would-create-a-racial-jungle-2019-7

ThatGamingAirman · Jul 27, 2020

Seliph said:
you're*

Oh, now he’s a grammar police too? Man all I have to say to you is stop liberal media and any media for that matter use your own eyes and when researching research the source for political standing before deeming it a good source.

jimbo13 said:
Joe Biden worried in 1977 that certain de-segregation policies would cause his children to grow up 'in a racial jungle'

https://www.businessinsider.com/biden-said-desegregation-would-create-a-racial-jungle-2019-7

Don’t forget poor children are just as bright as white children, also side note I’m confused @Seliph why’d you like this I thought you liked liberals?

jimbo13 · Jul 27, 2020

Or super predators, or the Biden crime bill that through non violent black drug offenders in prison for life, or that he was VP during do nothing Obama's inaction when trayvon, garner and brown all happened. No reforms, no defund the police yadda, yadda, yadda.

I just want to see where this Republican a black community elected that is oppressing them,

If the black community is determined to blame Republicans they should really try electing one sometime, because the simple fact is the GOP is not governing any of these cities with these systemic issues and haven't in decades.

Seliph · Jul 27, 2020

Teslas Fate said:
Oh, now he’s a grammar police too? Man all I have to say to you is stop liberal media and any media for that matter use your own eyes and when researching research the source for political standing before deeming it a good source.

Don’t forget poor children are just as bright as white children, also side note I’m confused @Seliph why’d you like this I thought you liked liberals?

I'm not a liberal nor do I like liberals, I'm unsure of where you even got that notion.

The video I sent you is literally a critique of Liberal Democracy (which is the system we're living under).

What you fail to understand is that both Democrats and Republicans are technically liberal parties. The only difference is that Democrats tend to have a more left-leaning social policy (usually Keynesian economics) while Republicans tend to have a more right-leaning social policy (think free-market Capitalism) though ever since the Reagan administration, both parties have generally pursued a similar goal of Neoliberalism (which is currently the dominant ideology of both parties). Republicans are conservative liberals and Democrats are "progressive" liberals.

Here's the definition of liberalism for ya: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism

I think the Democratic party sucks, I think the Republican party sucks, and I think liberals are foolish.

I politically identify as a Libertarian Socialist or Anarcho-Socialist.

Here's the definition of Libertarian Socialist: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_socialism

This has nothing to do with Liberalism.

You've got a lot to learn if you think anything I've said supports liberalism.

Both of these videos that you won't check out provide you with a pretty good critique of democracy in the US if you want to check them out:

jimbo13 · Jul 27, 2020

Seliph said:
I politically identify as a Libertarian Socialist or Anarcho-Socialist.

Here's the definition of Libertarian Socialist: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_socialism

Lulz I love how you cite a wiki listed as "Part of a series on Marxism " like that makes you seem more reasonable, you really should read the Wiki you posted as it is littered with War criminals and people responsible for countless atrocities. The vast majority of contemporary examples of U.S based organizations all folded because their members had bombed and killed people.

Seliph · Jul 27, 2020

jimbo13 said:
Lulz I love how you cite a wiki listed as "Part of a series on Marxism " like that makes you seem more reasonable, you really should read the Wiki you posted as it is littered with War criminals and people responsible for countless atrocities. The vast majority of contemporary examples of U.S based organizations all folded because their members had bombed and killed people.

Did you even read the page or did you stop as soon as you saw the word Marxism? Libertarian Socialism is inherently opposed to any form of hierarchy, and that includes state (government) control. I don't see how you can link war criminals to Libertarian Socialism when the pure nature of the ideology makes it so that war criminals fundamentally cannot exist under Libertarian Socialism.

MFDC12 · Jul 27, 2020

jimbo13 said:
Lulz I love how you cite a wiki listed as "Part of a series on Marxism " like that makes you seem more reasonable, you really should read the Wiki you posted as it is littered with War criminals and people responsible for countless atrocities. The vast majority of contemporary examples of U.S based organizations all folded because their members had bombed and killed people.

I think it's worth noting that it doesn't say 'Part of a series on Marxism' - namely because ancom/libsoc/whatever you want to use isn't Marxist. It's based on Marx's critiques of capitalism from Kapital (it should be noted that anarchism has roots way before capitalism/Marx with groups like The Diggers in the 1600s) but Marxism is a very specific ideology especially in regards to people like Lenin/Stalin/Mao (ML/MLM being the acronyms for those ideologies) used - whom anarchists are very very very highly critical of their contributions to Marx's theory and their actions and stuff in their respective countries in general - https://old.reddit.com/r/Anarchy101/comments/hv92wg/is_anarchism_antimarxist/fyrypy7/ is a pretty good explanation.

UltraDolphinRevolution · Jul 27, 2020

Seliph said:
Libertarian Socialism is inherently opposed to any form of hierarchy, and that includes state (government) control.

This only works in small tribes. Are you for the disintegration of countries?

[not related to you]
With regards to "Nationalsozialist/-en" (-ismus is not a person) I have to point out that it is not just a name. They exhibited social behavior, though it was limited to their definition of the in-group. It does not automatically lead to cruelty (neither do socialism or other political forms). It is in fact a common feature of e.g. many monotheistic religions... heck, even having a border could be regarded as a form of national socialism if it is paid for by the government. To reduce Nazi Germany to a general political idea does not do history (nor the victims) justice.

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