Hacking Sx Core and Sx Lite , test Units Received

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This type of work is usually around $60 - 100 / hour, 1 hour minimum by professionals. I can assure you that his elevated prices are well within normal ranges, and is to be expected if he is being flooded with work. I can tell you that I would not even waste my time responding to your PM's for $40, let alone modding and shipping your switch. (I do not mod switch's, please do not PM me).

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I solder, just not something I do for people other than friends and family.

Get over yourself, what world do you live? $100 per hour are you fucking insane. Ever heard of FoxConn?! This is not a science, it’s manual labor. Nintendo does the most work in this transaction, SX does the second most, the installer does the least. You think that entitles you to more money than someone that actually creates or develops a product? This entire installer subculture is inherently parasitic and cravenly opportunistic. Keep telling yourself you a fucking doctor for all I care, it won’t make it true.

https://www.glassdoor.com/Salaries/soldering-technician-salary-SRCH_KO0,20.htm

https://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Cell_Phone_Repair_Technician/Hourly_Rate

BTW He is the one that said $40 not me. It’s not even about the money it’s the principle. Why would I trust someone with my system if there word means nothing.
 
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Get over yourself, what world do you live? $100 per hour are you fucking insane. Ever heard of FoxConn?! This is not a science, it’s manual labor. Nintendo does the most work in this transaction, SX does the second most, the installer does the least. You think that entitles you to more money than someone that actually creates or develops a product? This entire installer subculture is inherently parasitic and cravenly opportunistic. Keep telling yourself you a fucking doctor for all I care, it won’t make it true.

https://www.glassdoor.com/Salaries/soldering-technician-salary-SRCH_KO0,20.htm

https://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Cell_Phone_Repair_Technician/Hourly_Rate

BTW He is the one that said $40 not me. It’s not even about the money it’s the principle. Why would I trust someone with my system if there word means nothing.

It does not seem you understand how pricing works here. The tech actually soldering may make $15-30 per hour, however that is not what is actually billed to the customer, the hourly rate is raised 2-3X typically. This is true across multiple industries: accounting, software development, construction, etc. That is what sets the market rate.

Foxcon, Nintendo, SX, none of these guys manually solder anything. They mass produce, usually through flowing the solder: http://www.surfacemountprocess.com/reflow-soldering-process.html. There are not armies of people with soldering irons soldering each chip at Foxcon, that would be way too expensive and time consuming. What you are asking @ModderFokker619 to do, is time consuming in comparison.

I do not understand what doctors have to do with any of this, I am telling you how billing works in the tech industry. I understand you are frustrated that he raised his prices, however that is his right and his initial price was too low anyway. This is also fundamentally different than what phone repair techs do. Phone repairs techs mostly just replace parts, not solder / actually fix them (though they do sometimes). And if you think this guys rates are offensive, you should look up the effective hourly bill rate of those phone repair shops :)

This is fundamentally a marketing problem: people hate you, if you start your prices out low, and then raise them. They love you if you start them out high, and then have a discount sale, even if the item is perpetually on sale making it the defacto price.

Fundamentally I understand what you are feeling, I just believe your feelings are misguided. I hope you take some of my advice to heart, Best of luck to you.
 
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man nintendo go all out sometimes,
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So I finally had a free afternoon and installed my sx core, never soldered in my life and had no equipment, so I got a cheap soldering iron from amazon (13$) that also came with a chinese branded 63-37 solder. Also bought one of those cheap 3$ flux pen, watched a few install videos and got to work.
Didn't use any magnification devices, however I did pull up a magnifying glass to take some photos as it wouldn't focus otherwise.

First impression is those solder points are SUPER tiny, I would say most people would not feel comfortable soldering such small points.

Second take was that it was more easy than expected since when you add the solder it automatically flows to the solder points, just be careful not to add too much that it overflows, I think less is better.

Final take is if you feel adventurous then go ahead and try the install yourself, as long you follow the instructions your outcome should be good, take it from someone who never soldered in his life, but I would absolutely recommend anyone who is not comfortable soldering tiny things to leave it to professionals.

1st boot time was 20s and from the second boot it has been 1-2 seconds.

Overall a very educational experience.

EDIT: Oh the soldering tip I used was the 45° blade tip, worked like a charm really. I have heard the very thin tip is bad as it doesn't carry temp very well and your joints will be bad so didn't even try it.

EDIT2: And the thermal paste I used was Kryonaut on the nvidia die and copper heatpipe, K5 pro viscous thermal paste between pipe and shield.
 

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What would people advise as the best tip for soldering? I have an iron with 900m-t compatible tips, is the I fine point conical or K blade type better?

Thanks.

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Comparing a single person, local hand made individual job to mass produced chinese rates of a giant company. What a joke.
Why dont you send a request to Foxconn for soldering your switch, nevermind that shipping and customs would already exceed any local price. Nevermind that they wouldnt even answer you or quote you a prototype price of multiple thousands.
 
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Comparing a single person, local hand made individual job to mass produced chinese rates of a giant company. What a joke.
Why dont you send a request to Foxconn for soldering your switch, nevermind that shipping and customs would already exceed any local price. Nevermind that they wouldnt even answer you or quote you a prototype price of multiple thousands.

So your just going to conveniently ignore the rest of what I posted? Like the two jobs with the exact same skill set and there average wages. FoxConn, Seagate, and many other semiconductor manufacturers are done in clean rooms, that is why I used them as an example. That is the pinnacle of electronic manufacturing and it is done by machines and attended to by glorified laundromat employees. It’s called light industrial and is a manual labor profession no different than any other assembly line. Small electronic repair is not exceptionally rare, nor is it highly paid as it was being claimed. You proved my point by showing how difficult it is to actually produce a product, and maintain a profit. Charging more when business is good is a shitty practice, that means you are making good money so why not more. Essentially being greedy. When people are struggling they can be excused for charging more to survive, but increasing your price when you are making record profits is sleazy as hell. Like how cable companies charge more when they have no competition, but offer sweetheart deals in competitive markets. The cost is the same for them they just want to maximize profits and there is no one to stop them. Do you think that is a good practice? Do you think that is something people should strive to be like?
 
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So your just going to conveniently ignore the rest of what I posted? Like the two jobs with the exact same skill set and there average wages. FoxConn, Seagate, and all other semiconductor manufacturing is done in clean rooms, that is why I used them as an example. That is the pinnacle of electronic manufacturing and it is done by machines and attended to by glorified laundromat employees. It’s called light industrial and is a manual labor profession no different than any other assembly line. Small electronic repair is not exceptionally rare, nor is it as highly paid as it was being claimed. You proved my point by showing how difficult it is to actually produce a product, and maintain a profit. Charging more when business is good is a shitty practice, that means you are making good money so why not more. Essentially being greedy. When people are struggling they can be excused for charging more to survive, but increasing your price when you are making record profits is sleazy as hell. Like how cable companies charge more when they have no competition, but offer sweetheart deals in competitive markets. The cost is the same for them they just want to maximize profits and there is no one to stop them. Do you think that is a good practice? Do you think that is something people should strive to be like? You see how many people have been able to solder on their own, how many have just whipped up a semiconductor?

Demand goes up, price follows unless the offer is able to keep up: it's basic knowledge.
Installers are not getting greedy, they're just getting overwhelming demand and since they have a maximum throughput being only humans the offer can't really increase, and that drives the prices up because the higher bidder gets the better spot. Once you see less people demanding this service you might see a price decrease, so maybe you should just wait it out.

I can understand the frustration of paying more, but ultimately it's the market who decides the price, not you.
 

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People can always use my solder service for $1 but I can assure you all your switches will have a big blob of solder inside. Or you can always pay more and get an awesome result afterwards, saving you tons of money on buying games. And please don't lecture me about people just using SX Core/Lite for homebrew smh. Moving on.
 
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Demand goes up, price follows unless the offer is able to keep up: it's basic knowledge.
Installers are not getting greedy, they're just getting overwhelming demand and since they have a maximum throughput being only humans the offer can't really increase, and that drives the prices up because the higher bidder gets the better spot. Once you see less people demanding this service you might see a price decrease, so maybe you should just wait it out.

I can understand the frustration of paying more, but ultimately it's the market who decides the price, not you.

So you think it is ethical for scalpers to charge inflated prices for Switches while simultaneously depleting the supply causing artificial scarcity? Just because people can be forced to pay those prices does that make it right? Scalpers are the ones causing the the price of Switch to rise and now they are causing the mod installation price to rise, since they are able to get $700 for a modded Switch. Everyone else has to suffer because of their greed, it’s an elitist way to operate. Causing the price to rise so no one else can afford it, then acting like raising the price has any effect on productivity is disingenuous . The only thing increased demand effects is turnaround time, more demand the longer the wait. Charging a fair price that everyone can afford, not only the scalpers is the right thing to do. The Switch and mod chip are a lot harder to produce and are priced fairly, charging more just because you can is unethical. The resources needed to manufacture those two components are much harder to come by than 6 points of solder and thermal paste. Most people would be pleased to make $40 an hour.
 
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So your just going to conveniently ignore the rest of what I posted? Like the two jobs with the exact same skill set and there average wages. FoxConn, Seagate, and all other semiconductor manufacturing is done in clean rooms, that is why I used them as an example. That is the pinnacle of electronic manufacturing and it is done by machines and attended to by glorified laundromat employees. There are two pay grades at that level, college educated engineers who are paid accordingly and entry level operators trained on the job making about $12/hour. It’s called light industrial and is a manual labor profession no different than any other assembly line. Small electronic repair is not exceptionally rare, nor is it as highly paid as it was being claimed. You proved my point by showing how difficult it is to actually produce a product, and maintain a profit. Charging more when business is good is a shitty practice, that means you are making good money so why not more. Essentially being greedy. When people are struggling they can be excused for charging more to survive, but increasing your price when you are making record profits is sleazy as hell. Like how cable companies charge more when they have no competition, but offer sweetheart deals in competitive markets. The cost is the same for them they just want to maximize profits and there is no one to stop them. Do you think that is a good practice? Do you think that is something people should strive to be like? You see how many people have been able to solder on their own, how many have just whipped up a semiconductor?


Except this doesnt class as basic work or any of that also small electronic repair doesnt class as that also. its an install service that requires at least some technical knowhow and trust. theres also the risk factor.

this isnt a shop this isnt a company its 1 person.

also for the type of work done on a console like this it isnt cheap.

I repaired a persons SD card slot literally 1 pin and a reflow, i wanted £20 that including the costs of the wire i had to purchase.
he paid me £50 (the same as i charge for an install)

you want to know why, other companies and repair shops were charging well over £100 or if he went to nintendo it may aswell be a new console.

Sure @ModderFokker619 may have initially quoted you a lower price and raised it , i did the same thing when i started installing these chips and also kept to my initial price to the people i quoted.
but his turnover is insane and for the work his higher price is fair.

I myself only did the lower price to get vouched for later work , in all fairness he should have at least met you halfway or said your install would be delayed.

But i cannot fault him especially with the attitude that was taken


I'm a computer repair tech and we charge $80 just for a house call. $40 is way under priced.

I used to work in pc repair, it was free quote/checkup. £40 to reinstall windows


Demand goes up, price follows unless the offer is able to keep up: it's basic knowledge.
Installers are not getting greedy, they're just getting overwhelming demand and since they have a maximum throughput being only humans the offer can't really increase, and that drives the prices up because the higher bidder gets the better spot. Once you see less people demanding this service you might see a price decrease, so maybe you should just wait it out.

I can understand the frustration of paying more, but ultimately it's the market who decides the price, not you.


Im still not overwhelmed honestly the more work the better I dont even turnover at peak the amount modder does in a day most likely .

The price he does is fair. I literally had all the other installers i know say i was undervaluing myself when i told them my initial price

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So you think it is ethical for scalpers to charge inflated prices for Switches while simultaneously depleting the supply causing artificial scarcity? Just because people can be forced to pay those prices does that make it right? Scalpers are the ones causing the the price of Switch to rise and now they are causing the mod installatio.............


if you are that mad go buy this soldering iron $8, buy some solder $3 buy some flux $4
spend the next week practicng and do it yourself

apply yourself more than ranting here please

I can personally attest to this iron being able to install an sx core modchip.


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