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Corrected Starting Grid:

1. Lewis Hamilton GBR Mercedes
2. Max Verstappen NED Red Bull
3. Carlos Sainz ESP McLaren
4. Valtteri Bottas FIN Mercedes
5. Esteban Ocon FRA Renault
6. Alexander Albon THA Red Bull
7. Pierre Gasly FRA Alpha Tauri
8. Daniel Ricciardo AUS Renault
9. Lando Norris GBR McLaren *
10. Sebastian Vettel GER Ferrari
11. George Russell GBR Williams
12. Lance Stroll CAN Racing Point
13. Daniil Kwjat RUS Alpha Tauri
14. Charles Leclerc MON Ferrari *
15. Kevin Magnussen DEN Haas
16. Kimi Räikkönen FIN Alfa Romeo
17. Sergio Perez MEX Racing Point
18. Nicholas Latifi CAN Williams
19. Antonio Giovinazzi ITA Alfa Romeo
20. Romain Grosjean FRA Haas

* 3 Place Grid Penalty ignoring yellow Flag
* 3 Place Grid Penalty for blocking Daniil Kwjat
 

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Corrected Starting Grid:

1. Lewis Hamilton GBR Mercedes
2. Max Verstappen NED Red Bull
3. Carlos Sainz ESP McLaren
4. Valtteri Bottas FIN Mercedes
5. Esteban Ocon FRA Renault
6. Alexander Albon THA Red Bull
7. Pierre Gasly FRA Alpha Tauri
8. Daniel Ricciardo AUS Renault
9. Lando Norris GBR McLaren *
10. Sebastian Vettel GER Ferrari
11. George Russell GBR Williams
12. Lance Stroll CAN Racing Point
13. Daniil Kwjat RUS Alpha Tauri
14. Charles Leclerc MON Ferrari *
15. Kevin Magnussen DEN Haas
16. Kimi Räikkönen FIN Alfa Romeo
17. Sergio Perez MEX Racing Point
18. Nicholas Latifi CAN Williams
19. Antonio Giovinazzi ITA Alfa Romeo
20. Romain Grosjean FRA Haas

* 3 Place Grid Penalty ignoring yellow Flag
* 3 Place Grid Penalty for blocking Daniil Kwjat
Poor Ferrari :rofl2:
 
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I do not think it is getting better this Year.....:evil:

A Bet ?

My Prognosis Seb and his "Youngster" Teammate will "getting very close" during 2 Races at least this Year.:P
And I do not mean the Starting Postitions on the Grid....:D
I'm pretty sure a certain Spanish driver is massively regretting leaving McLaren next season :rofl2:
 
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Think we probably will be back in Austria next week @alexander1970. I Just read this


Lewis Hamilton could be forced into quarantine for Hungarian GP amid strict rules for Brits that throw race into doubt

LEWIS HAMILTON and Co could be forced into lockdown in Budapest – plunging the Hungarian Grand Prix into doubt.

The race is due to go ahead next Sunday, however, strict rules have been placed upon UK citizens who enter the country.

The sport's governing body had hoped to get an exemption for all of those who have been part of F1's bubble given the strict testing protocols for Covid-19

However, it is understood that Hungarian ministers have taken a dim view of pictures of pubs being opened and overcrowded beaches.

While all European residents will be free to travel to the track and walk around the city, UK citizens have been told they must stay locked in their hotels when not at the track.

It means that drivers Hamilton, Lando Norris and George Russell, not to mention key team members such as F1 chief Ross Brawn and team bosses Christian Horner and Claire Williams, risk a whopping €15,000 fine for driving to and from the F1 track - or even popping out for bowl of goulash.

Around 1,700 of the 2,000 people selected to be part of F1's ambitious plans to bring the sport back after the coronavirus pandemic are from the UK.

And they all could face a severe ticking-off from the Hungarian police PLUS the huge fine per person for breaching protocol.

Seven of F1's teams are based in Britain and have just received the news from the FIA's Covid-19 delegate.

They are now weighing up what their options are in the hope of an 11th-hour dispensation from the Hungarian government.

If F1 do press ahead with their plans, then Brits will be confined to their hotel rooms each night - prohibiting them from any form of exercise, other than at the track, or even going out to buy food.

It is a huge blow to F1 after ZERO positive Covid-19 tests in the past two weeks as they finally get the sport up and running.
 
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Think we probably will be back in Austria next week @alexander1970. Just read this


Lewis Hamilton could be forced into quarantine for Hungarian GP amid strict rules for Brits that throw race into doubt

LEWIS HAMILTON and Co could be forced into lockdown in Budapest – plunging the Hungarian Grand Prix into doubt.

The race is due to go ahead next Sunday, however, strict rules have been placed upon UK citizens who enter the country.

The sport's governing body had hoped to get an exemption for all of those who have been part of F1's bubble given the strict testing protocols for Covid-19

However, it is understood that Hungarian ministers have taken a dim view of pictures of pubs being opened and overcrowded beaches.

While all European residents will be free to travel to the track and walk around the city, UK citizens have been told they must stay locked in their hotels when not at the track.

It means that drivers Hamilton, Lando Norris and George Russell, not to mention key team members such as F1 chief Ross Brawn and team bosses Christian Horner and Claire Williams, risk a whopping €15,000 fine for driving to and from the F1 track - or even popping out for bowl of goulash.

Around 1,700 of the 2,000 people selected to be part of F1's ambitious plans to bring the sport back after the coronavirus pandemic are from the UK.

And they all could face a severe ticking-off from the Hungarian police PLUS the huge fine per person for breaching protocol.

Seven of F1's teams are based in Britain and have just received the news from the FIA's Covid-19 delegate.

They are now weighing up what their options are in the hope of an 11th-hour dispensation from the Hungarian government.

If F1 do press ahead with their plans, then Brits will be confined to their hotel rooms each night - prohibiting them from any form of exercise, other than at the track, or even going out to buy food.

It is a huge blow to F1 after ZERO positive Covid-19 tests in the past two weeks as they finally get the sport up and running.

Yes,Amanda.:rofl2:

Interesting Detail from Alexander Wurz (Grand Prix Drivers' Association (GPDA):

Due the actual Corona Evolution in the East and Restrictions in Hungary,the Grand Prix on next Sunday is not 100 Percent safe.
And as "Backup" it is again Spielberg.
 

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Grand Prix der Steiermark in Spielberg
After 71 Laps:

1. Lewis Hamilton GBR Mercedes

2. Valtteri Bottas FIN Mercedes 13,7 1
3. Max Verstappen NED Red Bull 33,6 2
4. Alexander Albon THA Red Bull 44,4 1
5. Lando Norris GBR McLaren 61,4 1
6. Sergio Perez MEX Racing Point 62,2 1
7. Lance Stroll CAN Racing Point 62,4 1
8. Daniel Ricciardo AUS Renault 62,5 1
9. Carlos Sainz ESP McLaren 1 +1 Lap
10. Daniil Kwjat RUS Alpha Tauri 1 Lap

11.Kimi Räikkönen FIN Alfa Romeo +1 Lap
12.Kevin Magnussen DEN Haas +1 Lap
13.Romain Grosjean FRA Haas +1 Lap
14.Antonio Giovinazzi ITA Alfa Romeo +1 Lap
15.Pierre Gasly FRA Alpha Tauri +1 Lap
16.George Russell Williams +2 Laps
16.Nicholas Latifi Williams +2 Laps

Fastest Lap: Carlos Sainz (+1 Point)


Out: Sebastian Vettel (GER/Ferrari), Charles Leclerc (MON/Ferrari), Esteban Ocon (FRA/Renault)


Drivers Championship:

1. Valtteri Bottas FIN Mercedes 43
2. Lewis Hamilton GBR Mercedes 37
3. Lando Norris GBR McLaren 26
4. Charles Leclerc MON Ferrari 18
5. Sergio Perez MEX Racing Point 16
6. Max Verstappen NED Red Bull 15
7. Carlos Sainz ESP McLaren 13
8. Alexander Albon THA Red Bull 12
9. Pierre Gasly FRA Alpha Tauri 6
. Lance Stroll CAN Racing Point 6
11. Esteban Ocon FRA Renault 4
. Daniel Ricciardo AUS Renault 4
13. Antonio Giovinazzi ITA Alfa Romeo 2
14. Sebastian Vettel GER Ferrari 1
. Daniil Kwjat RUS Alpha Tauri 1
16. Nicholas Latifi CAN Williams 0
. Kimi Räikkönen FIN Alfa Romeo 0
. Kevin Magnussen DEN Haas 0
. Romain Grosjean FRA Haas 0
. George Russell GBR Williams 0

Constructors Championship:

1. Mercedes 80
2. McLaren 39
3. Red Bull 27
4. Racing Point 22
5. Ferrari 19
6. Renault 8
7. Alpha Tauri 7
8. Alfa Romeo 2
9. Williams 0
. Haas 0


Next Race:

Hungary,17.July 2020
 
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Unfortunately,nothing learned from Past.....and also this mutual accusations...

Formula 1, Renault declaration of war: Protest against Racing Point
Renault takes action against Racing Point after the Styria GP 2020. The factory team accuses Mercedes customers of using an illegal car.

In the midfield of Formula 1 2020, the first political mud battle begins after the second race in Austria. Renault has filed a protest against Racing Point and their pilots Sergio Perez and Lance Stroll after the Styria GP. The French factory team apparently sees an illegal copy of the 2019 Mercedes in the RP20.

In the FIA announcement published two and a half hours after the end of the race, Renault accuses the Mercedes customer team of breaking Article 2.1, 3.2, Annex 6, paragraphs 1, 2 (a) and 2 (c) of the Formula 1 sporting regulations. These passages in the rule book define the use of the listed parts of an F1 car, which must be developed and manufactured by the designer or team.

While individual parts such as gears or suspensions may be purchased, the actual chassis including the complete bodywork, monococque and crash structures must come from the designer named for the World Cup. Something that has been questioned by various rivals in the Racing Point RP20 since the beginning. The bonds to the Mercedes F1 W10 from the year 2019 were immediately apparent during the winter test drives in Barcelona.

However, Racing Point affirmed right from the start that the team's engineers only copied the world champion Mercedes on the basis of photos, which is not prohibited by the regulations. The former Force India team has always vehemently denied the allegation of plagiarism based on external data.

In the first two races of the 2020 season, the racing team's enormous leap in performance was immediately apparent. Racing Point is fourth in the World Championship with 22 points. Renault is sixth, 14 points behind. Perez was at Spielberg at times on the level of Red Bull.

Renault confirmed the action against the competitor on Twitter a little later: "We hereby confirm that the Renault DP World F1 Team has made a request to the stewards of the event to clarify the legality of the Racing Point RP20. We do not comment on this Matter until the stewards make a decision. "

https://www.motorsport-magazin.com/...st-gegen-racing-point-mercedes-kopie-plagiat/


https://sport.orf.at/#/stories/3064651/


Racing Point openly admits that the car is a copy of last season's Mercedes. But this is not forbidden per se. "I don't think what we're doing is anything new," said Andy Green, Technical Director at Racing Point, back in February. "Taking the concept of another team and doing it yourself has always been a tradition in Formula One."

Mercedes provides the motors for the racing team of businessman Lawrence Stroll, but in the cars of the Mexican Sergio Perez and the Canadian Lance Stroll, the son of the team owner, the transmission and other parts also correspond to the 2019 Mercedes.

Renault and Racing Point had previously clashed over technical issues, and the two midfield teams are regularly involved in duels on the track. On Sunday, Perez finished sixth in the race at the Red Bull Ring in Spielberg before Stroll, Renault driver Daniel Ricciardo from Australia was eighth behind the Racing Point duo.



Latest Informations:

The Spielberg GP has an aftermath for Racing Point: Renault protested the stewards after the race. The French have been bothered since the winter test drives on the RP20, which looks confusingly similar to the Mercedes car from the previous year. After the second race of the 2020 Formula 1 season, Renault officially protested.

The stewards then invited officials from both teams to the hearing and formally approved the protest. However, they postponed their decision indefinitely. The corresponding parts - mainly brake ventilation - were then sealed and confiscated.

The FIA technology department will analyze the seized parts in more detail over the next few days and prepare a dossier for the stewards. Not only those responsible from Racing Point and Renault should be interviewed, but also from Mercedes.

Mercedes was also ordered to provide the front and rear brake ventilation of last year's Boliden, which is said to have served as a model, as evidence.

When the FIA technicians promise to end their investigation, the stewards around their chair Gerd Ennser are informed so that another meeting can be called.
 

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The wierd thing is during today's race the Sky F1 commentators went on about how the Racing Point car was a carbon copy of last seasons Mercedes and they then gave a huge amount of info as to why it was a copy. Next thing Renault make a complaint. I wonder if a Renault employee was watching the race on the Sky F1 channel
 
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Number 2 Driver on Red Bull is not really a funny Job....
The next Driver that is "questioned" - Alex Albon
But he gets "still Backing" from Christian Horner:

Red Bull driver Alexander Albon had a tough second weekend in Austria in the 2020 Formula 1 season. With fourth place in the race, he got the best result for himself and his team on paper. But the road to fulfilling his duty was an unexpectedly tough struggle. Instead of duels with Mercedes, he had to deal with Racing Point. Team boss Christian Horner still strengthens the back of the Thai.

"Alex's race consisted of two halves. In the first he had problems and in the second he drove very well," said the Briton, praising the number two in his team. The Styria GP was strongly reminiscent of Albon's first appearance with Red Bull. In 2019 he was stuck in Spa-Francorchamps until his first pit stop in midfield. Only after changing the tire was he able to use the potential of his car.

Last Sunday, his pace problems were not expressed in fierce battles with Toro Rosso and Co., but in a blatant lag behind teammate Max Verstappen. Already in training and qualifying, he was constantly missing half a second on the Dutchman. In the race, he was already over half a minute behind the sister car after the pit stops in the middle of the race.
Red Bull sees hope for Albon's racing pace

"We have to understand this together with him and help him to feel comfortable in the car with a lot of petrol," says Horner. In fact, it took a while on the medium tire for Albon to pick up the pace. The 24-year-old did not react until Sergio Perez was five seconds behind him at Racing Point within a few laps.

On the defensive, he suddenly drove up to a second faster than before. Together with the Mexican, Albon was the fastest car on the track. "The pace was strong in the second half of the race. He fought very well against Perez," emphasizes Horner. "At that point, he was three or four tenths faster than Bottas, who had fresher tires."

https://www.motorsport-magazin.com/...-bull-teamchef-christian-horner-widerspricht/
 

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Racing Point (Force India/Racing Point Foirce India) is still in the Focus....

The background to the copy protest against Racing Point

Renault's protest against Racing Point shakes up Formula 1: it's not just about the legality or illegality of the RP20, it's about a fundamental question: how much copy can and above all how can it be copied?

Copying itself is not forbidden in Formula One. Engineers have always looked at ideas from other engineers. Mostly it is about detailed solutions or conceptual copies. Racing Point has now put everything together and recreated a complete car in all details.

The only question is, how did Racing Point recreate last year's Mercedes? It's no secret that the two racing teams are close. Racing Point not only buys engines and transmissions from Mercedes, but now also more and more suspension parts.
Racing Point uses Mercedes wind tunnel

Racing Point has also recently started using the wind tunnel of the world championship team in Brackley. And suddenly the racing team with the RP20 2020 presents a perfect copy of the Mercedes F1 W10 from the 2019 season.

How did the Silverstone engineers copy their Brackley colleagues? Racing Point refers to legal espionage. The FIA examined the striking similarity at the beginning of the year. Racing Point had thousands of photos of the F1 W10 that the copies were made from.

Of course, photos alone would not suffice as evidence. The FIA inspectors also looked at the design routes and manufacturing tools. From the CAD data, it should be clear that the designers needed several iterations to get from the photo copy to their final version.
How does Racing Point copy?

Critics say that such an exact copy would not be possible only from images. They say Racing Point must have received data or know-how directly from Mercedes. According to the regulations, that would not be allowed. Outsourcing the development and production of the 'Listed Parts' is permitted, but Haas finally also has its monocoque built at Dallara. However, the contractor must not be a competitor. That's exactly what Mercedes would be from Racing Point's perspective.

So how did Racing Point copy? This is exactly what the protest is about. Appendix 6 of the Sporting Regulations - better known as the 'Listed Parts Article' - defines exactly which parts a racing team must build themselves. Up to 2019, this list included the following four points:

Monocoque
Front crash structure
Rollover structure
Bodywork

In 2020, a decisive element was added to this list: brake ventilation. Brake ventilation has always been a difficult case in the regulations. Your primary job should be to supply the brakes with cooling air. In recent years, however, the teams have increasingly used the freedom provided by the regulations to screw aerodynamic elements onto the inside of the wheel carriers.

Even if the regulations were formulated somewhat more restrictively at this point, brake ventilation is still a borderline case between bodywork and brake cooling. For this reason, the brake vents have been included in the 'Listed Parts'.
Renault protest thought out

The Renault protest is therefore chosen very cleverly. When Racing Point developed the RP20 in 2019, the brake vents were not yet listed. That only happened with the 2020 regulations. A protest against the entire car would not have been successful - also because the FIA had already investigated.

Renault had to select a specific component and did it very skillfully with the brake ventilation. Also because the ventilation is more than just an opening. How exactly the channels run after admission is not necessarily shown in pictures.
Formula 1, technology check Racing Point RP20: scandal Mercedes?

With Marcin Budkowski, Renault hired a high-ranking FIA employee in early 2018. The Pole was head of technology at the World Automobile Association and is the direct predecessor of Nikolas Tombazis. Budkowski knew exactly what was important in the protest.

Therefore, the stewards had to allow the protest and confiscate the relevant parts. The decision will be a long time coming: First, Racing Point was given a time window in which to comment on the allegations. It may take a while: Renault worked on the 40-page protest for weeks.
Is Mercedes involved in the copy?

The precarious thing about the protest: It's not just about Renault and Racing Point. If the stewards find that the brake ventilation is almost the same and the design route is not understandable, Mercedes also has a problem.
Formula 1 2021: Vettel & the stubborn racing point rumor

Mercedes has already pledged to make the brake vents of the F1 W10 available for comparison purposes. The FIA technology experts will also speak to Mercedes engineers for the dossier they prepare for the stewards.

If the protest is successful, the question arises how Racing Point could get the data. Then it could also be tricky for Mercedes. The case is highly political. Renault and McLaren in particular do not want the Racing Point model to go to school. They see not only the DNA of Formula 1 in danger, but above all their business model.


PLUS:

Vettel & the stubborn racing point rumor
Is Sebastian Vettel driving Formula 1 in 2021? Rumors of a place at Racing Point persist in the paddock. How close is a deal?

Sebastian Vettel is still without Formula 1 cockpit for the 2021 season after his Ferrari departure. Time is getting short - but a rumor persists in the paddock. Namely, about a switch to Racing Point, which will become the Aston Martin factory team with Mercedes engines from 2021.

Although Sergio Perez and Lance Stroll already have contracts there, Vettel should have a chance of a place. This is underlined by ex-F1 driver Gerhard Berger in 'Sport und Talk' on ServusTV.
Berger believes: Racing point deal with Vettel through

"As is discussed behind the scenes in the paddock, they have already done it in the background," Berger even leans out of the window. "I can well imagine Sebastian appearing at Racing Point, and what you have seen now could be the only alternative for him to say: 'I can also win races with that thing.'"
Formula 1 race analysis: Racing Point is really that fast

Berger is pretty certain that Vettel has this claim: "As a four-time world champion, he doesn't have to prove anything. But of course his career is coming to an end." And the doors at Mercedes and Red Bull are already closed for Vettel in his eyes, which coincides with statements from both teams. Mercedes wants to continue with Hamilton and Bottas and Red Bull is not looking for a veteran as a Verstappen teammate.

"Then it gets tight, because who else can compete for victories and the World Cup?" Says Berger. "And I don't want Sebastian to be in the middle of the field. But speculation about Racing Point has arisen in the last few days and weeks, and they did an excellent job yesterday. I would say that with Sebastian in the car it would be even better."
Racing Point should fire drivers

The racing point camp also resisted speculation on the second weekend in Austria. "We have long-term contracts with our two drivers," repeated team boss Otmar Szafnauer. "So it would only be logical that we have no space."

Source: https://www.motorsport-magazin.com/formel1/
 

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Lance aint going anywhere considering Daddy owns the company :rofl2:

That is precisely why - If dad says it is done this way ...:evil:

A little "Side Note":

As Perez overtakes (in the second Spielberg Race/Lap 40/Sainz) on the Outside and reported on the Radio "Did you like that ?",
the Emotion/Joy of his Racing Engineer seems very reserved/limited ...
 
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That is precisely why - If dad says it is done this way ...:evil:

A little "Side Note":

As Perez overtakes (in the second Spielberg Race) on the Outside and reported on the Radio "Did you like that ?",
the Emotion/Joy of his Racing Engineer seems very reserved/limited ...
Talking of race engineers this always makes me laugh when Carlos starts singing and his race engineer says check your radio we seem to have picked up some dodgy singing lol.
 
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