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The 5 Seconds against Hamilton honestly was not ok....

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Grand Prix of Österreich 2020

Result after 71 Rounds:

1. Valtteri Bottas FIN Mercedes
2. Charles Leclerc MON Ferrari +2,7 3
3. Lando Norris GBR McLaren 5,5 3
4. Lewis Hamilton GBR Mercedes 5,7* 2
5. Carlos Sainz ESP McLaren 8,9 3
6. Sergio Perez MEX Racing Point 15,0 2
7. Pierre Gasly FRA AlphaTauri 16,6 2
8. Esteban Ocon FRA Renault 17,5 2
9. Antonio Giovinazzi ITA Alfa Romeo 21,1 3
10. Sebastian Vettel GER Ferrari 24,5 3

Out: Verstappen (NED/Red Bull), Stroll (CAN/Racing Point), Ricciardo (AUS/Renault); Magnussen (DEN/Haas), Grosjean (FRA/Haas), Russell (GBR/Williams), Räikkönen (FIN/Alfa), Albon (THA/Red Bull), Kwjat (RUS/AlphaTauri)

*Five Second Penalty causing a Collision against Albon
 
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Lewis did fuck all wrong Alex was totally at fault for the crash.

Huh? Albon was ahead. I don't think Lewis deserved a penalty but the incident wasn't Albon's fault. He should have maybe stayed calm and bided his time and he could have passed Hamilton with DRS a couple of laps later, but I guess he had his sights on victory and laps were running out.
 
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Huh? Albon was ahead. I don't think Lewis deserved a penalty but the incident wasn't Albon's fault. He should have maybe stayed calm and bided his time and he could have passed Hamilton with DRS a couple of laps later, but I guess he had his sights on victory and laps were running out.
Watch the replay of it again. Hamilton's steering lock was exactly the same for the entirety of the corner until Albon drove into his front left. Its a racing incident and shouldn't have lead to a punishment for Hamilton. Lewis drove that corner exactly the same as he had done every previous lap. Albon took a chance when he shouldn't have especially the position he had at that point in the race. He should have waited for a better opportunity to get past.
 
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Ladies and Gentlemen,the First Leaderboards 2020.:)

Formula 1 "special" Championship 2020
(after 1 from 8 confirmed Races)

Drivers:

1. Valtteri Bottas FIN Mercedes 25
2. Charles Leclerc MON Ferrari 18
3. Lando Norris GBR McLaren 16
4. Lewis Hamilton GBR Mercedes 12
5. Carlos Sainz ESP McLaren 10
6. Sergio Perez MEX Racing Point 8
7. Pierre Gasly FRA Alpha Tauri 6
8. Esteban Ocon FRA Renault 4
9. Antonio Giovinazzi ITA Alfa Romeo 2
10. Sebastian Vettel GER Ferrari 1
11. Nicholas Latifi CAN Williams 0
12. Daniil Kwjat RUS Alpha Tauri 0
13. Alexander Albon THA Red Bull 0
14. Max Verstappen NED Red Bull 0
. Daniel Ricciardo AUS Renault 0
. Kimi Räikkönen FIN Alfa Romeo 0
. Lance Stroll CAN Racing Point 0
. Kevin Magnussen DEN Haas 0
. Romain Grosjean FRA Haas 0
. George Russell GBR Williams 0

Constructors:

1. Mercedes 37
2. McLaren 26
3. Ferrari 19
4. Racing Point 8
5. Alpha Tauri 6
6. Renault 4
7. Alfa Romeo 2
8. Williams 0
9. Red Bull 0
10. Haas 0

Pointkey:
25 - First
18 - Second
15 - Third
12 - Forth
10 - Fifth
8 - Sixth
6 - Seventh
4 - Eighth
2 - Ninth
1 - Tenth
1 Extrapoint for the Fastest Lap (if classified in the Top Ten after the Checkered Flag)

Next Race:

Grand Prix of Steiermark on 12.07.2020
 

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Just when you think this year couldn't get any more weirder we have a race where a Williams car finished 11th snd not last.

Can't wait for the first ever Grand Prix of Steiermark. I wonder what the track will be like :rofl2:
Yes,me too.:blink::rofl2:


A next very sad "Low Blow" for Seb comes from his "fellow Compatriots" Ralf Schumacher and Nico Rosberg:

Vettel had finally ruined his race. Even a later change back to Soft in a further safety car phase did not allow for a large final offensive. "It's something that happens to a young driver, but not Sebastian," criticized Sky expert Ralf Schumacher Vettel for the scene. "It was a blatant misjudgment of the whole situation - as has happened to him many times now", RTL expert Nico Rosberg criticized his compatriot sharply.

That also has consequences for Vettel's position in poker around a cockpit - for example at Mercedes - for 2021. “In Formula 1 you are only as good as your last race. This is how you are evaluated in the team and also by the other teams, ”said Rosberg. “Sebastian is now at the bottom and has to prove himself again. The four World Cup titles no longer count. You have to prove that you deserve it. "
 

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Seb will race in DTM next year his Formula 1 career is finished.
I fear it too....demotivated and dismantled from Ferrari - finally......
And I do not think this is a good Motivation to try it in an Mid Range Team next Year.....the only logical Choice is Mercedes.
And Bottas knows this.I think this will be interesting this Year.
But also the Option that Hamilton maybe leaves Mercedes 2021 is an Option for Seb....I think Toto Wolff (Lewis´s "second Father") have other "Duties" next Year...
 
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I fear it too....demotivated and dismantled from Ferrari - finally......
And I do not think this is a good Motivation to try it in an Mid Range Team next Year.....the only logical Choice is Mercedes.
And Bottas knows this.I think this will be interesting this Year.
But also the Option that Hamilton maybe leaves Mercedes 2021 is an Option for Seb....I think Toto Wolff (Lewis´s "second Father") have other "Duties" next Year...
If he keeps driving lile he did this weekend he will be lucky to even get an offer from Williams. He is driving like a rookie and not even a good one.
 
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FERNANDO IS BACK

F1 legend Fernando Alonso has signed on for next season, according to the BBC.

Alonso is set to return to Renault, with whom he won two world championships, at the age of 39.

He is due to drive the Indy 500 with McLaren in August.

Not good news for Seb
 
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FERNANDO IS BACK

F1 legend Fernando Alonso has signed on for next season, according to the BBC.

Alonso is set to return to Renault, with whom he won two world championships, at the age of 39.

He is due to drive the Indy 500 with McLaren in August.

Not good news for Seb

Honestly....do we need him really ? He is an excellent Driver (like Alain Prost) but an intregious and sneaky misplayer (like Alain Prost).....
 

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What is really annoying is this constant "kneeling" in front of Ferrari ... Then they should finally get out from F1 and do your own racing League, please do ... The FIA will NEVER prevail against such troublemakers from Maranello ....
You can really look forward to seeing all these "friendship" contracts between FIA / Ferrari finally expire in 2021..


Ferrari remains stubborn in secret deal - opponents angry
Formula 1 has not forgotten the secret engine deal between Ferrari and FIA. Competition demands transparency, Scuderia remains stubborn.

Months have passed since the FIA announced a secret deal with Ferrari in the final minutes of Formula 1 winter testing. In two short paragraphs, the rulers had only stated that Ferrari's engines had been investigated after the suspicions of rule violations during the 2019 season. An agreement had then been reached behind closed doors.

No details were provided, not even to the other F1 teams. However, it seemed suspicious that Ferrari had to provide support for the development of new surveillance systems. Demands for more transparency were rejected, whereupon the seven non-Ferrari teams even threatened legal action shortly before Australia. Then the coronavirus pandemic came and the topic disappeared.

The weekend in Austria came back up, especially after the miserable qualifying performances of the Ferrari-driven cars. The competition from Mercedes and Red Bull made it clear that it has not yet given up the fight for disclosure.

Red Bull & Mercedes demand transparency from Ferrari

"Look, it is uncomfortable that there is an agreement regarding the legality and correctness of a car," criticized Red Bull team boss Christian Horner on Friday before the race. "It immediately makes you wonder what that means. Because in our eyes a car is either legal or illegal."

"The FIA was asked these questions, of course, and the FIA said they would like to publish the document, but they needed the green light from the other parties," Horner said in the background. The "other parties involved" are Ferrari - and they refuse.

"You get nothing but suspicions if there are private agreements about legality and correctness," criticized Horner. "The healthiest thing would be to put it on the table so everyone can see it."
Mercedes makes it clear: Still interested

Mercedes had taken part in the transparency demands first, then stepped down for Australia, and it seemed that Red Bull was leaving the field. Team boss Toto Wolff made it clear in Austria: "We had decided in Melbourne that at the start of the season there was still a controversy, plus the worsening Corona crisis in Italy, that this was not the right moment."

Wolff still wants to disclose: "In these times, transparency is extremely important, and good leadership - that is extremely important. And [the Ferrari deal] could have been good, but if you don't know him, it is difficult to assess. "

"Our position is that we observe it," says Wolff. "We are not happy about last year."
Ferrari continues: no clear violation, no approval

The arguments leave Ferrari and team principal Mattia Binotto cold: "The answer is fairly simple. First of all, there was no clear violation of the rules. Otherwise we would have been disqualified. We do not want to make it public because what we would release is our intellectual property , our project, our power unit, and no one in the paddock would be happy to publish information about their designs or projects. "

"It's intellectual property, it's confidential, it's about protecting intellectual property, so we don't want to do it," Binotto remains firm. As long as they do not allow approval, the FIA's hands are tied - because the deal was definitely within the framework of the FIA's judicial and disciplinary rules.

Without Ferrari giving in, this dispute remains unsolved. Unless the competition is actually struggling to take legal action.

https://www.motorsport-magazin.com/...edes-red-bull-binotto-wolff-horner-motor-fia/
 
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Vettel Red Bull return is a ‘definite no

Red Bull boss Christian Horner has closed the door on Sebastian Vettel returning to the team, saying it is a “definite no” for 2021.

Rumours had been circulating in the build-up to the Styrian Grand Prix at the Red Bull Ring that Helmut Marko had been instructed to start talks with Vettel about returning to the team where he has won all four of his World Championship titles.

Vettel was asked about whether he would return to Red Bull on Thursday and said: “Red Bull is a winning car so probably the answer would be yes.

“It would be interesting. I know this team from the past very well and of course I still have contact with many people – Christian (Horner), Helmut (Marko) etc.

“They have a strong car and they are a strong team, that’s what I know from the past.”

But, speaking during the first practice session in Austria, Horner has said a Verstappen-Vettel line-up won’t be happening next season.

“We didn’t expect him to be on the market this year,” Horner told Sky Sports F1.

“Our commitment is to our existing drivers. We think that we have a great pairing in Max and Alex and we think that has great potential for the future.”

“So, unfortunately, it’s not something that we are going to be able to accommodate. That is a definite no I am afraid and Sebastian is aware of that.”
 
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Vettel Red Bull return is a ‘definite no

Red Bull boss Christian Horner has closed the door on Sebastian Vettel returning to the team, saying it is a “definite no” for 2021.

Rumours had been circulating in the build-up to the Styrian Grand Prix at the Red Bull Ring that Helmut Marko had been instructed to start talks with Vettel about returning to the team where he has won all four of his World Championship titles.

Vettel was asked about whether he would return to Red Bull on Thursday and said: “Red Bull is a winning car so probably the answer would be yes.

“It would be interesting. I know this team from the past very well and of course I still have contact with many people – Christian (Horner), Helmut (Marko) etc.

“They have a strong car and they are a strong team, that’s what I know from the past.”

But, speaking during the first practice session in Austria, Horner has said a Verstappen-Vettel line-up won’t be happening next season.

“We didn’t expect him to be on the market this year,” Horner told Sky Sports F1.

“Our commitment is to our existing drivers. We think that we have a great pairing in Max and Alex and we think that has great potential for the future.”

“So, unfortunately, it’s not something that we are going to be able to accommodate. That is a definite no I am afraid and Sebastian is aware of that.”

Didi Mateschitz has the last Word......he is still the Owner of the Red Bull Racing Team.
Horner ist "only" the Team Principal and also has this Position to share with another Austrian Dr.Helmut Marko (from the Sponsor Red Bull Side)

This means...he (can) not decide it (alone)....:)
 

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Didi Mateschitz has the last Word......he is still the Owner of the Red Bull Racing Team.
Horner ist "only" the Team Principal and also has this Position to share with another Austrian Dr.Helmut Marko (from the Sponsor Red Bull Side)

This means...he (can) not decide it (alone)....:)
Marko also ruled out a 2021 return via Sky Sports Italy, adding: “In 2021 we don’t have a place for Vettel at Red Bull because we don’t have any seats available.

“In 2022 some contracts will end and we can think about other options. Can he can come back then? It depends on him!”
 
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Marko also ruled out a 2021 return via Sky Sports Italy, adding: “In 2021 we don’t have a place for Vettel at Red Bull because we don’t have any seats available.

“In 2022 some contracts will end and we can think about other options. Can he can come back then? It depends on him!”

Then it will be more likley like this:
How about a couple of Prophecies again ?
(this Year I'm leaning very far out the Window...):D

- Ferrari (Vettel) will not win any Championship Title again.
- Teamduel Vettel - LeClerc will escalate again - but this Time really bad.....
Vettel has already announced to "not let him pass in the Races easily"...

- Mercedes wins both Championships again

- Red Bull (Verstappen) wins a couple of Races but more then 3rd Place in the Driver´s Championship is not possible.

- McLaren will be the "closest" Chaser and get some Podium Places.

- Vettel will retire after 2020




:)
 
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