Leaked files suggest Microsoft is working on multiple Xbox Series X consoles

yoyoyo69 · Jun 28, 2020

Yes I know this, the point is, they aren't targeting 4k, they're targeting 1080, then scaling up.

The one benefit consoles have is they can squeeze alot out compared to pc, a good chunk of this is lost when you develop this way.

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I actually suggested they were very likely to do this years ago. My theory was they would have Series X (unknown codename at the time) as top tier, and move Xbox One X down the stack.

Obviously it makes much more sense to make a new low tier system with the new hardware, as the CPU alone will be a huge improvement on the X and will be the same architecture as Series X.

I feel they may be in trouble, similar to Wii U, Xbox One S, box One X, Xbox Series X, Xbox Series X, and there will be another atleast.

Whist we will be comfortable discussing names abs specs, we are not the majority, the Wii U probed this.

I'm confident, Microsoft will promote the Series X alot better than Nintendo promotes the Wii U, but who knows?

After making huge progress the last few years, they are handing things to Sony again.

Obveron · Jun 28, 2020

pedro702 said:
they said the cpu is also slower on the cheaper module , and that changes up game logic so its not just slidding the resolutions to acomodate the gpu downgrade, but also changing gamelogic since cpu isnt the same speed, i can see they toogling demanding games to be like 30 fps/1080p on weaker model and 60 fps/4k (if possible i guess depends on the game/dev) on higher end model.

Same architecture, very slightly lower frequency. Won't be a big deal to cause half the frame rates. This margin on cpu performance will likely be smaller than the performance gap between XSX and PS5.

The GPU in Lockhart will be the massive downgrade. One quarter the resolution at the same frame rates will be the result. I expect no other compromises, the same per pixel fidelity and graphic quality, same SSD with good loading times and asset streaming. It's going to be fine for those who don't need or can't afford 4k.

pedro702 · Jun 28, 2020

Obveron said:
Same architecture, very slightly lower frequency. Won't be a big deal to cause half the frame rates. This margin on cpu performance will likely be smaller than the performance gap between XSX and PS5.

The GPU in Lockhart will be the massive downgrade. One quarter the resolution at the same frame rates will be the result. I expect no other compromises, the same per pixel fidelity and graphic quality, same SSD with good loading times and asset streaming. It's going to be fine for those who don't need or can't afford 4k.

i mean anyone that can aford a console can afford a 4k tv imo, really 4k tvs are very cheap, probably cheaper than ps5/series x on release prices lol, for like 400 or less you get a 4k tv nowadays.

nl255 · Jun 28, 2020

pedro702 said:
i mean anyone that can aford a console can afford a 4k tv imo, really 4k tvs are very cheap, probably cheaper than ps5/series x on release prices lol, for like 400 or less you get a 4k tv nowadays.

Except that you need to have enough room to have a 4k TV as you pretty much have to go 50 inches or larger to get 4k.

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pedro702 said:
they said the cpu is also slower on the cheaper module , and that changes up game logic so its not just slidding the resolutions to acomodate the gpu downgrade, but also changing gamelogic since cpu isnt the same speed, i can see they toogling demanding games to be like 30 fps/1080p on weaker model and 60 fps/4k (if possible i guess depends on the game/dev) on higher end model.

Yeah, good luck with anyone wanting to bother at only 30fps. Are they going to use frameskipping (drawing every other or every third frame) as well?

mightymuffy · Jun 28, 2020

pedro702 said:
i mean anyone that can aford a console can afford a 4k tv imo, really 4k tvs are very cheap, probably cheaper than ps5/series x on release prices lol, for like 400 or less you get a 4k tv nowadays.

- That's a hilarious statement! You've just out-done your codding typos in one fell swoop!, I mean, wow, you can't even fathom the level of lunacy on show there, I just don't know where to start

- basically you're just clutching at straws to try and have a pop at MS's strategy... Let's see in a couple of years time if they got it right or not with the number of sales ehh! If you're a poorer family (and there's more of those going round after recent events), in a smaller room that can't house a 4K, and see a 1080p focused console that apparently (I'm not really agreeing with it though) is gonna sell for as little as $200, and possibly produce similar results to the dearer machine on the same TV (and what about a kids bedroom setup??), what's the issue here?
EDIT: Ack, ninja'd by nl255 hehe

Obveron · Jun 28, 2020

You need to sit really close to large 4k screen to see the difference. But better frame rates, massive world fast asset streaming, and many other next gen features can be seen at 1080p just fine.

Someone with a high end 1080p TV, would be suffering a major downgrade with a $400 4k TV. And for what? To justify their $600 4k console?

A $300 1080p console that ticks all the other next gen boxes and suffers no other fidelity loss other than resolution will suit many buyers.

Your paranoia that it will hold back development potential is unfounded. The massive upgrade to cpu power and storage speed will be the common denominator here. Devs will target 4k resolution without compromises and without and hindrance. Meanwhile 1080p will run at the same framerates on Lockhart with only the smallest of development considerations. Heck most games now just have variable resolution anyways. Set it and forget it, the game runs on any GPU at the framerate target.

The biggest hinderence to development potential will be crossgen releases that need to run smoothly on the old jaguar cpu. I'm worried Microsoft will keep the old gen around too long.

Stealphie · Jun 28, 2020

Again?

Bladexdsl · Jun 29, 2020

Obveron said:
You need to sit really close to large 4k screen to see the difference.

only if you have a smaller tv

Obveron · Jun 29, 2020

That chart indicates a 60" TV sit closer than 8 feet to notice detail above 1080p. Sit at 4 feet to see full 4k detail.

That's pretty close to a large screen.

Kioku · Jun 29, 2020

Bladexdsl said:
only if you have a smaller tv

Even at 20ft I'd wager anyone with half decent eye sight would see a huge difference from 480p to 720p... Let alone 1080p and up. This chart is subjective at best.

Bladexdsl · Jul 1, 2020

that's why you get a bigger tv

Supernova89 · Jul 1, 2020

What would they call it the xbox one xxx

PogChampion369 · Jul 6, 2020

Your clones are very impressive you must be very proud

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