Sony PS5 event showcase - Demon's Souls Remake and Horizon Zero Dawn 2 confirmed

D34DL1N3R · Jun 12, 2020

Xzi said:
For an internal blu-ray drive? They're $50 on the consumer market, so Sony can definitely churn them out for even less. Any additional discount for the digital edition beyond that would be solely out of the goodness of Sony's heart, so don't expect much.

No, a 4K Blu-Ray drive is not $50 on the consumer market.

Apart from that. I think the console looks great. Much better than the boring, square PS4 Pro & Switch that's in my setup. I should say everything that's in my system. PS4 Pro, router, modem, av receiver, center channel, Switch, etc. is all just plain, boring, flat black and square/rectangular.

Also, those hyped for Spider-Man: Miles Morales... it's only an upgraded & expanded version of the first game. The Miles part is basically DLC.

Xzi · Jun 12, 2020

D34DL1N3R said:
No, a 4K Blu-Ray drive is not $50 on the consumer market.

You're right, 4K playback adds between $20 and $30 to the price, for a total of about $80 on the consumer market. Sony can definitely still manufacture them at less than $50 per unit, though.

D34DL1N3R · Jun 12, 2020

Xzi said:
You're right, 4K playback adds between $20 and $30 to the price, for a total of about $80 on the consumer market. Sony can definitely still manufacture them at less than $50, though.

Please show me a Sony 4K Blu-ray player for $80. Edit, not to mention... do you really think they would manufacture 2 completely different versions of their console at only a $50 difference to the consumer? C'mon.

Xzi · Jun 12, 2020

D34DL1N3R said:
Please show me a Sony 4K Blu-ray player for $80.

Well now that's moving the goalposts, I didn't say a Sony brand 4K blu-ray drive specifically is $80 on the consumer market. Matter of fact, it seems like Sony doesn't manufacture those drives for purchase at all outside of complete player units, and there's a lot of additional costs to account for in those. They can be found for around $200, so it's reasonable to assume Sony is valuing the drive itself at about $100 including a consumer mark-up.

D34DL1N3R said:
not to mention... do you really think they would manufacture 2 completely different versions of their console at only a $50 difference to the consumer? C'mon.

Nah, they'll probably be willing to eat a small loss on the digital edition because it locks consumers into buying games through the Playstation store and thus increases profits in the long-term. I'd wager ~$500 for the standard model, ~$400 for the digital edition.

MohammedQ8 · Jun 12, 2020

D34DL1N3R · Jun 12, 2020

Xzi said:
Well now that's moving the goalposts, I didn't say a Sony brand 4K blu-ray drive specifically is $80 on the consumer market. Matter of fact, it seems like Sony doesn't manufacture those drives for purchase at all outside of complete player units, and there's a lot of additional costs to account for in those. They can be found for around $200, so it's reasonable to assume Sony is valuing the drive itself at about $100 including a consumer mark-up.

Nah, they'll probably be willing to eat a small loss on the digital edition because it locks consumers into buying games through the Playstation store and thus increases profits in the long-term. I'd wager ~$500 for the standard model, ~$400 for the digital edition.

Except you're getting a complete player unit. LoL. Your $100 difference guess isn't far off from my $150 low point, so I'm not even sure why you're questioning it. Also, what was the price difference between XB1S, and XB1S digital only version at their launches?

RLXD · Jun 12, 2020

D34DL1N3R said:
Except you're getting a complete player unit. LoL. Your $100 difference guess isn't far off from my $150 low point, so I'm not even sure why you're questioning it. Also, what was the price difference between XB1S, and XB1S digital only version at their launches?

50$.
I expect the digital only unit to be around 549 and the blu ray one around 599.

Xzi · Jun 12, 2020

D34DL1N3R said:
Except you're getting a complete player unit. LoL.

Right, but they aren't sticking an entire player unit with associated motherboard, digital display and etc inside PS5, that'd be hilariously redundant.

D34DL1N3R said:
Also, what was the price difference between XB1S, and XB1S digital only version at their launches?

The 1TB version of each was $350 and $250 at launch, respectively. The 500GB XB1S was $300.

D34DL1N3R · Jun 12, 2020

RLXD said:
50$.
I expect the digital only unit to be around 549 and the blu ray one around 599.

Nonsense. because far too many people would just buy the version with the drive if it's only a measly $50 more. Especially if they have a collection of PS4 games on disc, that are supposedly backwards compatible with it.

Xzi said:
Right, but they aren't sticking an entire player unit with associated motherboard, digital display and etc inside PS5, that'd be hilariously redundant.

The 1TB version of each was $350 and $250 at launch, respectively. The 500GB XB1S was $300.

They have to have some of the full player hardware inside other than just the drive, even if it's integrated into the same motherboard as the rest of the PS5. And 4K bare bones drives still aren't $80, unless a person is buying complete garbage. There are things like Dolby Vision license fees that those garbage 4K PC drives absolutely do not have, and I cannot see Sony not supporting both Dolby Vision and HDR10/+ on the PS5's optical drive.

And again, you even clarified it yourself. There was a $100 difference between the 1TB XB1S models. If you're saying $100 and I'm saying $150 at the low point. Why are you even having an issue with my guess? You're acting like you're saying $100 difference and I said $250-$300.

I can agree on $100-$150 difference. But not a chance will it be a measly $50. I have nothing more to add.

Xzi · Jun 12, 2020

D34DL1N3R said:
And 4K bare bones drives still aren't $80, unless a person is buying complete garbage.

I can't speak to that from personal experience, but a number of them do have really solid user reviews across the board. Just as with SSDs, prices aren't anywhere near as ridiculous as they used to be.

D34DL1N3R said:
Why are you even having an issue with my guess?

I don't have any issue with it. It's just as I said before, it largely comes down to how generous Sony is feeling (and how badly they want to get people hooked on all-digital) since their internal manufacturing cost per drive is likely below $50.

tabzer · Jun 12, 2020

D34DL1N3R said:
because far too many people would just buy the version with the drive if it's only a measly $50 more

I'd consider buying it because it looks sexier, not because $50 is isn't "measly"--but I don't like that you can say that, knowing that if I would ask you, you would not shell any out for charity.

D34DL1N3R said:
They have to have some of the full player hardware inside other than just the drive, even if it's integrated into the same motherboard as the rest of the PS5.

If you are familiar with how computers work, a Bluray drive is the player hardware, and the software manages it in conjunction with the rest of the computer hardware.

Vila_ · Jun 12, 2020

tbh at least it doesn't look like a dark Apple time capsule

spotanjo3 · Jun 12, 2020

RLXD said:
50$.
I expect the digital only unit to be around 549 and the blu ray one around 599.

If it is true then I will go with 599 euro. If digital only to be around 499 and the standard edition to be around 599 then I will go with 599. Digital is a CRAP.. ABSOLUTELY CRAP!

I am going to smell the coffee that digital edition is going to be fail miserable in the market soon.

Goku1992A · Jun 12, 2020

The digital version is probably going to be $100 off similar to how Microsoft did the Xbox One S (Digital Version). Digital games you don't even own them you lease them because you can't even transfer them to a different account so those games are only good on your account. If you get banned then you are SOL IDK why they just didn't make a BC version of the PS5 and charged $100 more that would have been more useful than digital.

This point goes to Series-X (Sony take notes)

D34DL1N3R · Jun 12, 2020

tabzer said:
I'd consider buying it because it looks sexier, not because $50 is isn't "measly"--but I don't like that you can say that, knowing that if I would ask you, you would not shell any out for charity.

If you are familiar with how computers work, a Bluray drive is the player hardware, and the software manages it in conjunction with the rest of the computer hardware.

First of all, don't pretend to act like you know ANYTHING about me or what charities I have or have not shelled out to in my 48 years of life. Stupid comment is completely stupid. Okay? Thanks.

Secondly, if you really think I don't know the difference between software and hardware... well... outside of saying another stupid comment being completely stupid & not even fitting the context of anything anyone was talking about, I will refrain from saying what I REALLY want to say.

Jonna · Jun 12, 2020

D34DL1N3R said:
First of all, don't pretend to act like you know ANYTHING about me or what charities I have or have not shelled out to in my 48 years of life. Stupid comment is completely stupid. Okay? Thanks.

Secondly, if you really think I don't know the difference between software and hardware... well... outside of saying another stupid comment being completely stupid & not even fitting the context of anything anyone was talking about, I will refrain from saying what I REALLY want to say.

Woah, this post got to be a little too much bait for an unnecessary argument lol

D34DL1N3R · Jun 12, 2020

Jonna said:
Woah, this post got to be a little too much bait for an unnecessary argument lol

It amuses me that you didn't feel that way about the op's completely unnecessary and irrelevant comments.

Teletron1 · Jun 12, 2020

MikaDubbz said:
With the Vita dead, Sony's continued interest in remote play, and the fact that Sony sent their players a survey a few months back asking if they'd be into the possibility of this, do you think it's possible that Sony might work with Nintendo to allow PS5 owners to remote play their system with a Switch? Like I'm sure it will still allow Vita owners to do so, but those lack some key buttons, and they aren't in nearly as many people's hands as Switchs are which only continue to get into more people's possessions by the day. It could definitely be mutually beneficial, encouraging the sales of both devices, as you would need both to make use of it, and Sony straight up asked recently about the possibility of remote playing the PS4 with a Switch, so this may not be as impossible as one might initially think.

I dunno why this is where my head has gone, but remote play and psvr were pretty big things for the PS4 that many would like to be implemented into the PS5. And while I suspect PSVR is going to be a part of the PS5 and continue to see support and maybe even a new model there, I'm not sure to what end remote play will continue. Like I'm sure they'll allow our smartphones and if we still own Vitas, to play that way. But they must recognize how perfect the Switch would be for that feature, and how many gamers already have one at that. It gets my conspiracy gears grinding. I'm sure there are some legit reasons not to have such cross-promotion, but it really does seem like it could be very synergistic in practice.

Something is brewing among the 3 companies ( Tri Force Alliance again

) wither it comes to fruition is a different story
(Microsoft wants a DRM system like Movies Anywhere buy the game and its unlocked across Systems, now why would this happen every major Corp wants a piece of the Video Game industry Amazon Apple Google just to name a few. To me it seems these 3 will tackle 3 areas Sony consoles Microsoft Pc Nintendo portable the Digital age is becoming more apparent now that games are making disc drives useless and games are being programmed for ssd, Microsoft also has the Servers that Sony and Nintendo have interest in using. Still have the Xbox live rumors for Switch plus the idea of PlayStation remote play. One more other thing about Microsoft they are thinking about doing a disc to digital trade in program this will also look to kill the resale markets like GameStop which is already barely holding on. Digital age can be a scary thing because companies dictate the Rights like leasing and no one is giving any new info going forward. Nintendo is the scariest on Digital sales because they tie it to specific systems and soon I’m sure internet connection will become mandatory for DRM checks for all systems.) So anything is possible and if you do see PS remote app come to Switch then you know something major will happen for the next future generation among the core 3 ,but that weighs heavily on outside competition

shaunj66 · Jun 12, 2020

PS5 design is growing on me. I think it looks a lot better in the horizontal position.

Jonna · Jun 12, 2020

D34DL1N3R said:
It amuses me that you didn't feel that way about the op's completely unnecessary and irrelevant comments.

It's the small things.

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