how about you keep this stupid shit off a gaming forum? this is the last place we need to keep seeing this stupid shit!
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About the current riots
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I didn't say it made it right, I said it made it your fault for standing by letting racism continue.
If you didn't have guns then he wouldn't have been shot either. Anyone who supports people having guns is responsible for every death.
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This subforum was specifically created to let people discuss without making the Offtopic subforum get clogged with political discussions.
You can always hide this section from your preference settings and not have to see any discussions, if you want.
This is the best that can be done to allow everyone to freely discuss and also have the discussions in their own section.
I will not disagree that compared to many other places I see the US police (and everything that supports it) could do with some overhauling (if you keep your crazies out in the world it does rather increase the chances of a negative interaction, and the firearms handling ability of most of them is abysmal compared to other places in the world where such things are more a designated role, and education in general about life skills is shockingly poor). To go from that to institutional racism is a different matter entirely.
That article. Do I have to drop £30 to read it? Looks like a reasonable start to a meta analysis but without reading it I can't really comment on it -- I have no resulting stats, comparisons to standard industry methodology (we kind of all went computerised when people realised that was in many ways better than being nice to your bank manager), a full methodology of the study or anything there.
A bad childhood does tend to lead to a harder adulthood, and yeah from what I have seen growing up poor does make it rather harder to rise above that and while the US has some interesting quirks (far from a great meritocracy or anything but the lack of a landed gentry/old money class does see some things happen, and while I am not a fan at all of most educational welfare in the US being a military contract it does have some effects) the net effect is much the same. Not particularly sure how we get to racism from there though, much less abandoning some kind of rising tide approach. The black experience (or American black if we are going anthropological or staying somewhat on topic here) as a whole might warrant something different in terms of a general approach a la medicine (sickle cell say being rather higher, skin cancer less so), as might poor oriental or poor south American warrant further different approaches, but individual tailored is still my preferred approach here.
The workplace is a fun one, though I will note I met several company owners doing very well for not holding out for the magic fairy land wish of a 20 something with no family, no social life/relationships, with serious education, no medical conditions and a willingness to work contract hours for minimum wage and instead trying to work out how to get things done.
When have these forums ever not had such discussions?
You mean this? As funny as it is, I think the rioters thought they were giving them the finger, or they were mocking them for missing the window the first time.
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Ehm.
What are you doing?
Under the link you listed at least two people, and I'm sure the majority of cases were protesters killed by police or store owners, not the other way around.
Second, the source you linked lists violent deaths during the protests in general, where it is unclear who it was, why, under what circumstances. So at this point you are running into usual statistics of people killed in the US. If you cast your net wide...
Dont presume, check sources.
And again, historically - during US race riots, people are killed, so would you have guilt tripped MLK, to stop because none of this would lead to the abolition of racial segregation?
The protests have even drawn international recognition to the issue, in a way this didnt happen in the past, because they were bigger. So they worked.
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Have you just posted an apology for people talking about the race riots in the US, and not acting like if they didn't happen? Whats wrong with your focus on 'we want to please our advertisers, and thereby any controversy must be able to be hidden in 'settings''?
Grow a pair. Dont submit to selective editing of reality.
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"Not related to games"
Turns out it is
I don't have much in the way of reliable context for this one, and one commenter reckoned one of those might have been an air rifle (certainly an odd rifle shape, stock and scope placement, but I don't know all my 22 rifles).
Though the eat coast wings and grill next to it was boarded up in another shot with some police posing with the crowd so eh.
https://www.restaurantnewsrelease.c...-franchise-breaks-into-the-northeast/8551226/
Mind you I can't support this. Everybody knows campers are the worst.
Turns out it is
I don't have much in the way of reliable context for this one, and one commenter reckoned one of those might have been an air rifle (certainly an odd rifle shape, stock and scope placement, but I don't know all my 22 rifles).
Though the eat coast wings and grill next to it was boarded up in another shot with some police posing with the crowd so eh.
https://www.restaurantnewsrelease.c...-franchise-breaks-into-the-northeast/8551226/
Mind you I can't support this. Everybody knows campers are the worst.
Rifle to the left is definitely a break-barrel air rifle. Suitable for killing starlings, maybe squirrels if it's a .22 caliber.
The other two, impossible to say at that resolution. Both appear to be AR pattern rifles, but they make air rifles and .22lr firearms in that configuration for hunters and wannabes too.
Looks staged.
to be perfectly honest, i really hate talking about this. I know that I should, but it just puts me in a bad mood.
Call me an asshole, I don't care.
Call me an asshole, I don't care.
@SG854 Reported your posting above as 'disturbing imagery' (with an added line, that moderators should remove it, or add a warning beforehand - either one is ok with me).
If you arent posting if that person survived subsequently, this could be snuff, and in any case insensitive to the family of the guy that had been shot (you dont see the perpetrator or the act in the video, so that is the line where 'public interest' isnt sufficient enough for such a video to be freely shared as if it were nothing). (This doesnt help catching or convicting the person that did it, this literally is a video showing a person on the verge of dying, while a millennial jumps around him filming it.)
If you arent posting if that person survived subsequently, this could be snuff, and in any case insensitive to the family of the guy that had been shot (you dont see the perpetrator or the act in the video, so that is the line where 'public interest' isnt sufficient enough for such a video to be freely shared as if it were nothing). (This doesnt help catching or convicting the person that did it, this literally is a video showing a person on the verge of dying, while a millennial jumps around him filming it.)
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Gotta love the number of people calling this 'stupid shit' and being quite irate at this topic existing.
Institutional and systematic racism is utterly abhorrent and does feel like a natural reaction after multiple high profile incidents like Flloyd and little substantive changes to prevent a repeat. Trump being inflammatory as always never helps.
Institutional and systematic racism is utterly abhorrent and does feel like a natural reaction after multiple high profile incidents like Flloyd and little substantive changes to prevent a repeat. Trump being inflammatory as always never helps.
To what extent does it exist though? Places seem to have rules there, enforced ones at that, aimed at preventing such things in the hiring, firing, interactions and more.
Equally is this the sort of thing that more training, evaluation or whatever would have prevented? Comments from the prosecutor even noted that training was a thing all of them had to say "don't mess with necks", and it is equally widely held justification for serious intervention (one no doubt the people in question would have used as justification for intervention had it been applicable too).
Likewise are we sure it was racism at whatever level or variation that caused this one? It would be an awful shame to go after the wrong cause.
Multiple high profile incidents... such as?
I have seen a fair few dubious calls and police incidents (CCTV being cheap and plentiful, dash cameras, police body cameras and now gun cameras all making for some great viewing if you want to dissect such things) but whether it rises to a level of something like endemic is a different matter. Enough to want some serious reforms though.
Same question about are such things noted as being racism driven?
If the US has said two thirds of a million officers presumably all having multiple interactions a day as a net average are you not going to get the occasional screw up? In some senses one is too many but if life is about managing risk then there will be some number greater than.
Equally when such things do happen are they swept under the rug?
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Bit of a pity that people can't handle some discussion but "your screen, your rules".
And why were they killed by Store Owners? Because they were rioting the store. Alot of people are getting killed by rioters, cmon there's even more then the link I gave. Lots of cops being shot and people. It doesn't matter who shot who, but we all the the rioting is the reason. Whether in self defense or aggression.
Rioting is fucked up to the store owners. Why do they have to suffer damage and destruction for something someone else caused? It was the cops that killed George Floyd not some random store owner. Now they have to suffer from idiot rioters taking their anger on people that don't deserve it.
Store owners are already in a bad position from covid 19 financial wise. And all the damages this caused will make bankruptcy even more of a problem. Anyone that supports this type rioting in order to get the message out is fucked up.
Ya you are getting your message out. Stop killing blacks and we'll stop harming innocent people and damaging their property. By using force to get what you want. But this that the right message to be sending. Targeting innocent people. You are no better then the cops and are a hypocrite.
And they are doing that by protesting.
That is bullshit logic on guns. If you support guns you are responsible for every death? What the hell. I support cars does that make me responsible for every car death from drunk driving? No it doesn't. Only the people that kill are responsible for their own actions.
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The riots are stupid, the protesting is not.
Everyone agrees that the cops abused his power. And that the cop should be punished for it.
It was not within the right of the cop to kill George Floyd.
The only time that it was ok to kill George Floyd is when he held a gun against a pregnant woman when he was robbing for drugs and money. That would've been in the right of the husband to protect his family and kill George Floyd. Floyd got lucky he only got 5 years in prison for armed robbery instead of death.
But with the situation with the cop, it was not within the right of the cop since Floyd wasn't a threat to anybody. And the cop abused his position.
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