SEGA will be giving Sonic games longer development cycles to hopefully result in better games

MarkDarkness · May 23, 2020

DANTENDO said:
You've not played the sonic racing games then as they are on par as any mario kart game

Ah, true. Very true statement. They are better than MK in a lot of senses. But they are SEGA All-Stars.

64bitmodels · May 23, 2020

MarkDarkness said:
Ah, true. Very true statement. They are better than MK in a lot of senses. But they are SEGA All-Stars.

you could say the same thing for crash team racing

TangentingTangerines · May 23, 2020

pedro702 said:
while they take time to code and make assets they have the worst part of the game already done, they have the story, the characters, the level layouts and everything, most of the hard works is already done, so no it isnt as hard as to make a brand new game from scrach because you have the bases for everything, just need to make better mechanics and make it preety, this is why activision remade 3 spyro games in like 1 years and half.

It also depends on how faithful you want the remake to be. Spyro, Crash, and Shadow of the Collosus remakes stay 1 to 1 with the originals outside of the presentation to the point where I hesitate to even call them remakes, whereas something like the Resident Evil 2 remake changes basically everything outside of the basic premise, and this is reflected in development time (Like you said 3 spyro games in 1 1/2 years, vs Resident Evil 2 Remake taking 3-4 years),

64bitmodels · May 23, 2020

TangentingTangerines said:
It also depends on how faithful you want the remake to be. Spyro, Crash, and Shadow of the Collosus remakes stay 1 to 1 with the originals outside of the presentation to the point where I hesitate to even call them remakes, whereas something like the Resident Evil 2 remake changes basically everything outside of the basic premise, and this is reflected in development time (Like you said 3 spyro games in 1 1/2 years, vs Resident Evil 2 Remake taking 3-4 years),

Spyro, Crash and SOTC are still more proper of a remake though- they polish the controls and improved the music and graphics while still keeping the core game intact, level design gimmicks and everything.
The likes of RE2Remake and FF7 Remake are less so remakes and more so COMPLETE REIMAGININGS. Reimagining is a word that needs to be used more in these big scale "remakes"- that's literally what they are
The entire game was changed besides the premise and story, that is anything but a remake

pedro702 · May 23, 2020

TangentingTangerines said:
It also depends on how faithful you want the remake to be. Spyro, Crash, and Shadow of the Collosus remakes stay 1 to 1 with the originals outside of the presentation to the point where I hesitate to even call them remakes, whereas something like the Resident Evil 2 remake changes basically everything outside of the basic premise, and this is reflected in development time (Like you said 3 spyro games in 1 1/2 years, vs Resident Evil 2 Remake taking 3-4 years),

and resident evil 3 took like a year so they kinda remade both in the same time, sure depends how far they want to distance it, i doubt they redo all the level design and such becuase people liked the game with some exceptions like that fishing stuff lol.

BlueFox gui · May 23, 2020

SANIC said:
A majority of that time was towards Hedgehog Engine 2, the dev time they probably had was closer to a year and a half

i read about that but still, sonic forces was so mediocre

Rahkeesh · May 23, 2020

Forces crapped out level design really fast with a bunch of noobs at the helm. Putting more time into it is exactly what was needed. I don't think the basic mechanics/ideas of forces were really bad (aside from Classic Sonic making zero sense), and I'd still rather play that than lost world, the non-speed Adventure levels, or werehog.

Also I got a bad feeling Taxman is doing something else that isn't Sonic these days. Cannonhead definitely is. Not sure Sega really payed them proportional to the amount of success Mania had.

64bitmodels · May 24, 2020

Rahkeesh said:
Forces crapped out level design really fast with a bunch of noobs at the helm. Putting more time into it is exactly what was needed. I don't think the basic mechanics/ideas of forces were really bad (aside from Classic Sonic making zero sense), and I'd still rather play that than lost world, the non-speed Adventure levels, or werehog.

Also I got a bad feeling Taxman is doing something else that isn't Sonic these days. Cannonhead definitely is. Not sure Sega really payed them proportional to the amount of success Mania had.

Not sure what's so bad about taxman not doing sonic stuff

UltraSUPRA · May 24, 2020

DANTENDO said:
You've not played the sonic racing games then as they are on par as any mario kart game

SRZG, in particular.

Darksabre72 · May 24, 2020

i sure hope that this is true

Jonna · May 24, 2020

64bitmodels said:
uhh odyssey's 8bit sections?
Mario Maker 2?
The Mario and Sonic Olypmpic game?
That's all i can think of. plus 2 out of those 3 had a reason to exist (odyssey for more moons, Mario Maker 2 because it was a style in the original and sequel)
meanwhile green hill
Sonic Mania
Sonic Forces
Sonic Lost World (windy hill is literally just a callback to green hill)
Sonic All Stars Racing Transformed
the Sonic Dash mobile game
Sonic Generations, 3ds and 360/ps3
only 2 of these had a good reason to be there, and even then Mania's excuse is because of, you guessed it, iizuka holding the team back because nOsTALgIA

Mario Galaxy 1 and 2 - the levels that are literally made up of NES Mario sprites
Mario Sunshine - the bonus levels with the background made up of NES Mario sprites
Mario 3D Land - the levels that are literally made up of NES Mario sprites
Mario 3D World - 8-bit secret Luigis everywhere

Jayinem81 · May 24, 2020

No need for quality, just have Jim Carrey voice Eggman and it will sell 5 million copies at least.

Jonna · May 24, 2020

Rahkeesh said:
Forces crapped out level design really fast with a bunch of noobs at the helm. Putting more time into it is exactly what was needed. I don't think the basic mechanics/ideas of forces were really bad (aside from Classic Sonic making zero sense), and I'd still rather play that than lost world, the non-speed Adventure levels, or werehog.

Also I got a bad feeling Taxman is doing something else that isn't Sonic these days. Cannonhead definitely is. Not sure Sega really payed them proportional to the amount of success Mania had.

Can't chalk it up to newbies - Breath of the Wild brought on a bunch of newbies to bring something new to the game that oldbie developers got too used to, and worked out to commercial success. It's always been a horrible cycle of higher ups at SEGA giving the developers unrealistic release windows. If you watch enough development documentaries and read up on the development of Sonic games, it's a common theme, unfortunately.

orangy57 · May 24, 2020

still waiting for the sonic team to cut to the chase and release a Sonic title that has absolutely no gameplay and is just a Crush 40 soundtrack

DarthDub · May 24, 2020

It better have Crush 40/Jun Senoue as lead musician.

Xzi · May 24, 2020

Jayinem81 said:
No need for quality, just have Jim Carrey voice Eggman and it will sell 5 million copies at least.

Jim Carrey voicing Eggman and quality are the same thing, though.

Thejigmaster · May 24, 2020

Sonic games have always been It's so bad It's good type of games, enjoyable because of nostalgia It'll be interesting what they come up with for next gen sonic on the ps5 and xbox series x.

Pipistrele · May 24, 2020

MikaDubbz said:
Just tell me that Sonic Mania 2 is on the way.

I don't expect one personally. Sonic Mania was for the most part a love letter to the series - made by fans, for fans, and with a lot of reused/reworked assets from previous games. Making a second one would be kinda moot, since everything that could be covered was already covered in the first one (not to mention super-expensive too, since devs would have to create most of the assets from scratch).

Thejigmaster said:
Sonic games have always been It's so bad It's good type of games, enjoyable because of nostalgia It'll be interesting what they come up with for next gen sonic on the ps5 and xbox series x.

Sonic 1-3 (and CD if we're reaching further) were genuinely fantastic platformers, arguably among the best from 16-bit era. The fact that there's still a massive speedrunning and romhacking community behind those kinda proves that it's not "just nostalgia over some "bad" games".

DragonBoy · May 24, 2020

Just lend Sonic to Nintendo for a game or two and see the masterpiece they will come up with.

Pipistrele · May 24, 2020

DragonBoy said:
Just lend Sonic to Nintendo for a game or two and see the masterpiece they will come up with.

Something boring and conventional =)

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