RetroPie 4.6 Released, with Beta Raspberry Pi 4 Support

FAST6191 · Apr 28, 2020

What systems do such things reasonably top out at these days?

Tom Bombadildo · Apr 28, 2020

FAST6191 said:
What systems do such things reasonably top out at these days?

The Pi 4 should do just about up to Dreamcast console-wise, and PSP/DS handheld wise for full speed emulation.

Gamecube and Wii emulation is also feasible on the Pi 4, there are a few playable games as well. I believe the Mario Kart games and other such titles that are usually marked as "easy to run on shit hardware" are now playable on a Pi 4, but I wouldn't use it over a cheap modern PC for that.

FAST6191 · Apr 28, 2020

Nice. I didn't know if we were still dipping a toe into the PS1 and N64 but mostly 16 bit and older.
I figure I have a GC and Wii and a lot of the more interesting games for both anyway.

Hopefully it does a convincing line in Amiga and with that I might have something nice, even if the raspberry pi stuff kind of lost me when it stopped being able to be powered from a beefy USB port.

Tom Bombadildo · Apr 28, 2020

FAST6191 said:
Nice. I didn't know if we were still dipping a toe into the PS1 and N64 but mostly 16 bit and older.
I figure I have a GC and Wii and a lot of the more interesting games for both anyway.

Hopefully it does a convincing line in Amiga and with that I might have something nice, even if the raspberry pi stuff kind of lost me when it stopped being able to be powered from a beefy USB port.

Yeah, the Pi 4 made a huge jump in performance (mostly thanks to finally updating the GPU in the SoC). I think N64 is still a bit eh, but only because N64 emulation in general is eh so not much can be helped there.

As for Amiga stuff, that's actually been quite playable since the Raspberry Pi 3B+ launched, so you could definitely pick up a Pi, install Amiberry, and set it up as an "Amiga Mini" clone if you wanted. I actually did that for a little bit with a Pi 3, had no troubles running any of the games I tried for it.

Kioku · Apr 28, 2020

Tom Bombadildo said:
The Pi 4 should do just about up to Dreamcast console-wise, and PSP/DS handheld wise for full speed emulation.

Gamecube and Wii emulation is also feasible on the Pi 4, there are a few playable games as well. I believe the Mario Kart games and other such titles that are usually marked as "easy to run on shit hardware" are now playable on a Pi 4, but I wouldn't use it over a cheap modern PC for that.

DS, maybe. PSP? Not so much. Most games run well enough, but there's some that don't. Tried playing Ridge Racer and it was a mess.

Between this and Batocera, I've got a busy day ahead of me.

Tom Bombadildo · Apr 28, 2020

Memoir said:
DS, maybe. PSP? Not so much. Most games run well enough, but there's some that don't. Tried playing Ridge Racer and it was a mess.

Between this and Batocera, I've got a busy day ahead of me.

I didn't say 100% perfect compatibility, I said full speed emulation. As you literally just said, most games run well enough, and the majority are definitely playable at full, or full enough, speed. Obviously there will be games like Ridge Racer or God of War Ghosts of Sparta that have performance issues, but it's definitely not far fetched to call it full speed.

Kioku · Apr 28, 2020

Tom Bombadildo said:
I didn't say 100% perfect compatibility, I said full speed emulation. As you literally just said, most games run well enough, and the majority are definitely playable at full, or full enough, speed. Obviously there will be games like Ridge Racer or God of War Ghosts of Sparta that have performance issues, but it's definitely not far fetched to call it full speed.

Well enough doesn't mean full speed. Just playable. Only a few of the games I tested ran full speed. Like Tekken Dark Resurrection.

Kamiyama · Apr 28, 2020

Finally! I've been waiting this since I got mine rpi4 in the it's release. I've tried the github version now and then, but most emulators did run very poorly when my rpi3 in otherhand did run them perfectly fine. Downloading it right now!

Solid One · Apr 28, 2020

Memoir said:
DS, maybe. PSP? Not so much. Most games run well enough, but there's some that don't. Tried playing Ridge Racer and it was a mess.

I was able to beat Castlevania Dracula X Chronicles using PPSSPP on a Raspberry Pi 2. The game ran well enough, at fullspeed in most of the time (although auto frameskip kept oscillating between 1 and 2).

Assuming it was on a RPi2, I wouldn't be surprised if RPi4 runs God of War PSP games at fullspeed, since it has much more firepower compared to older devices.

Tom Bombadildo · Apr 28, 2020

Memoir said:
Well enough doesn't mean full speed. Just playable. Only a few of the games I tested ran full speed. Like Tekken Dark Resurrection.

Then I'm curious to know what games you've tried, because the vast majority I played near launch of the Pi 4 were basically full speed, including Ratchet and Clank, Daxter, Ape Escape, and parts of Crisis Core (which did have slowdowns when a lot of particles are on screen, but the vast majority of the time was a full 30fps). I dunno if maybe you're using weird settings or if it's cuz of my 2Ghz OC or what, but the majority of titles I tried were full speed.

Solid One said:
Assuming it was on a RPi2, I wouldn't be surprised if RPi4 runs God of War PSP games at fullspeed, since it has much more firepower compared to older devices.

Ghost of Sparta isn't 60fps just yet last I tried, was only getting around mid 45ish max during most of the game, and the Monster Hunter games also have some issues as well, but other than that I haven't really had any other performance issues.

Deleted User · Apr 28, 2020

Glad to see official support is finally out for the Pi 4. Been sticking with lakka since the performance just seems to be better overall, but I guess I'll have to give this a try now that it's in the open.

Deleted User · Apr 28, 2020

can someone tell me why people buy raspberry pies? I'm genuinely curious

Kioku · Apr 28, 2020

Tom Bombadildo said:
Then I'm curious to know what games you've tried, because the vast majority I played near launch of the Pi 4 were basically full speed, including Ratchet and Clank, Daxter, Ape Escape, and parts of Crisis Core (which did have slowdowns when a lot of particles are on screen, but the vast majority of the time was a full 30fps). I dunno if maybe you're using weird settings or if it's cuz of my 2Ghz OC or what, but the majority of titles I tried were full speed.

Ghost of Sparta isn't 60fps just yet last I tried, was only getting around mid 45ish max during most of the game, and the Monster Hunter games also have some issues as well, but other than that I haven't really had any other performance issues.

My system is also overclocked. Granted, it could be my MSD... Simply because even Ratchet and Clank struggled to maintain a consistent FPS through the entire first part of the game. Though, I'd never see it dip below ~22. I'm going to run a fresh install of Retropie and see. I updated a few weeks back and some things went awry.

Tom Bombadildo · Apr 28, 2020

bigfatToni said:
can someone tell me why people buy raspberry pies? I'm genuinely curious

Because it's basically a $35 PC. Some people use them as cheap and low power terminals, others for various DIY projects, some for educational use, etc etc.

Most "average" consumers buy them because they make excellent, and cheap, media centers and retro gaming PCs. I have a Pi that acts as a NAS for my house, three for media centers (bedroom, living room, office), and 2 for retro gaming and messing around with.

Kioku · Apr 28, 2020

bigfatToni said:
can someone tell me why people buy raspberry pies? I'm genuinely curious

They're fun to tinker with, and you can do a lot with one. If you're looking for emulation, the Jetson Nano (I think it's called?) is a better choice.

Deleted User · Apr 28, 2020

Tom Bombadildo said:
Because it's basically a $35 PC. Some people use them as cheap and low power terminals, others for various DIY projects, some for educational use, etc etc.

Most "average" consumers buy them because they make excellent, and cheap, media centers and retro gaming PCs. I have a Pi that acts as a NAS for my house, three for media centers (bedroom, living room, office), and 2 for retro gaming and messing around with.

Wowie they sound pretty cool

Chary · Apr 28, 2020

Could not get some PSP games running well at all (SSX, Crisis Core, Valkyria Chronicles 2) but a few worked okayish. I tend to just use mine as a media center though.

Solid One · Apr 28, 2020

Tom Bombadildo said:
Ghost of Sparta isn't 60fps just yet last I tried, was only getting around mid 45ish max during most of the game, and the Monster Hunter games also have some issues as well, but other than that I haven't really had any other performance issues.

GOW Ghost of Sparta ran with 45fps maximum on a RPi 4? Or an older model such as RPi 3?

Assuming you got 45fps max on a RPi 4, is it possible to play it at full speed on frameskip 1 or 2? Because if true, then at least GOW would be fully playable, which is awesome.

Tom Bombadildo · Apr 28, 2020

Solid One said:
GOW Ghost of Sparta ran with 45fps maximum on a RPi 4? Or an older model such as RPi 3?

Assuming you got 45fps max on a RPi 4, is it possible to play it at full speed on frameskip 1 or 2? Because if true, then at least GOW would be fully playable, which is awesome.

On a Pi 4, with frameskip enabled (I forget which). Granted, I last tested in like August or September, so it may have gotten better or worse with time.

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