I've noticed a lot of people saying this and suggesting external drives are the way to go but they aren't anywhere near as elegant as a small Sandisk thumb drive. Why is this the case though?
Hacking Why does the Vwii kill USB thumb drives?
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vWii is not killing any hard drive any more than any other system. Thumb drives are just not built to play games. They are built for basic files like a document. External Hard Drives are built to play games which is why they are recommended.
It doesn't. Wii U mode supposedly kills flash drives because it keeps writing to them in sleep mode. Wii U mode can't read FAT32 formatted drives though, so it shouldn't be a problem with drives that are used for vWii.
Flash drives just don't work very well (or at all, most of the time) with USB loaders. Games won't load. You can use a SD card, and that works fine, and I would say is the most elegant solution. USB Loader GX doesn't support Wii games on SD card for some reason, but WiiFlow supports it fine.
How old were these threads/suggestions?
Anyway 3 main reasons, assuming it worked with the setup in the first place (it was nowhere near as bad as the original xbox but still not great).
1) USB thumb drives back when the Wii U was active were still pretty small (64 gigs maybe pushing the boat out a bit, today you can probably do sub £25 for 256 gigs and all but the encrypted ones appear to be under £30 so eh) and you could get some spinning rust holding some 10 times the space for less. With Wii U games often ending up some 10 gigs or more it added up fast, though I suppose you did say vwii.
2) Constant writes are not great for things and some stuff did a lot of that. Some if was probably fear (all the stress tests I have ever seen on such things have been far longer at far higher rates designed to be awful to actually achieve a kill, compared to what manufacturers like to estimate when asked).
3) IOPS on USB drives, especially larger ones at the time, were awful. If you then had a bunch of random reads (something most disc based devices took active steps to avoid but sometimes it was inevitable) it would not be able to keep up and slowdown and whatever else might result. Read speeds were also a bit iffy at times for the larger ones (especially cheaper and larger).
Anyway 3 main reasons, assuming it worked with the setup in the first place (it was nowhere near as bad as the original xbox but still not great).
1) USB thumb drives back when the Wii U was active were still pretty small (64 gigs maybe pushing the boat out a bit, today you can probably do sub £25 for 256 gigs and all but the encrypted ones appear to be under £30 so eh) and you could get some spinning rust holding some 10 times the space for less. With Wii U games often ending up some 10 gigs or more it added up fast, though I suppose you did say vwii.
2) Constant writes are not great for things and some stuff did a lot of that. Some if was probably fear (all the stress tests I have ever seen on such things have been far longer at far higher rates designed to be awful to actually achieve a kill, compared to what manufacturers like to estimate when asked).
3) IOPS on USB drives, especially larger ones at the time, were awful. If you then had a bunch of random reads (something most disc based devices took active steps to avoid but sometimes it was inevitable) it would not be able to keep up and slowdown and whatever else might result. Read speeds were also a bit iffy at times for the larger ones (especially cheaper and larger).
Thanks, I never really properly modded my Wii U and have been looking into it after seeing this thread:
https://www.resetera.com/threads/wi...e-short-of-a-pc-heres-why-image-heavy.146326/
As that looks really impressive with it all launching from the main UI so thought I'd give something like that a spin. Threads I looked at were all quite old and a lot of people recommended drives but a usb stick is just so much more elegant and I don't intend on putting every game in the world on there, just mainly for Wii, GC, Wiiware and the Virtual Console.
Is there a modern guide kicking around anywhere on how to do the forwarders and everything?
https://www.resetera.com/threads/wi...e-short-of-a-pc-heres-why-image-heavy.146326/
As that looks really impressive with it all launching from the main UI so thought I'd give something like that a spin. Threads I looked at were all quite old and a lot of people recommended drives but a usb stick is just so much more elegant and I don't intend on putting every game in the world on there, just mainly for Wii, GC, Wiiware and the Virtual Console.
Is there a modern guide kicking around anywhere on how to do the forwarders and everything?
.Most of the info is in the first post of this thread, but any additional questions ask in the thread https://gbatemp.net/threads/release-wiivc-injector-script-gc-wii-homebrew-support.483577/
FYI that's only for Wii and Gamecube. You can find some VC games on Wii U USB Helper. There are others you can get to work but it's not something I've personally done so can't help you.
FYI that's only for Wii and Gamecube. You can find some VC games on Wii U USB Helper. There are others you can get to work but it's not something I've personally done so can't help you.
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Thanks, I'd never fully pimped mine out but the config that guy on the other forum had was very impressive but he shares no info on the tools etc.. so here we are.
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Laz: that has nothing to do at all.
the partition format is irrelevant here, and can be whatever you want, being HDD or flashdrive.
WBFS is possible on both. FAT32 is possible on both. anything is possible on both, even raw unformated data (like hidden partitions).
correct answers have already been posted #3 and #4
And, you shouldn't put your USB to wbfs format. why suggest that? if you do, you probably didn't read proper guide again.
the partition format is irrelevant here, and can be whatever you want, being HDD or flashdrive.
WBFS is possible on both. FAT32 is possible on both. anything is possible on both, even raw unformated data (like hidden partitions).
correct answers have already been posted #3 and #4
And, you shouldn't put your USB to wbfs format. why suggest that? if you do, you probably didn't read proper guide again.
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Just to add to what was already said... a Micro SD + USB adapter is a much better option than flash drives anyway. You generally get much faster speeds for less money with Micro SD when compared to the typically slower and more expensive flash drives.
Of course, a powered USB hard drive is still the best option overall (speed, size, price per GB).
Of course, a powered USB hard drive is still the best option overall (speed, size, price per GB).
What is the proper guide? I did mine a long long time ago.
I like the MicroSD option, any recommendations or are they not like thumbdrives and anything will work?
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by proper, I wanted to say newer, updated ones.
new guides should now suggest the user to use FAT32 (or NTFS).
FAT32 is better as it allows gamecube playing from USB too, along with all other homebrew which can take advantage of that format (emulators, etc.)
WBFS was and is still fine, but if a guide tell the user to use that format specifically, I can only imagine it's an outdated guide, which might provide old tools, old files, old apps version.
that's not always a good idea to follow them.
But, there could be exception, and new update guide could suggest WBFS. it happened here too, I sometime suggest it on flashdrive as strangely it seems to have better compatibility than FAT32. but only for flashdrives, and if the user insist on not using HDD, it's a fall back (because only Wii game will work), but it's a solution
I don't know all guides, but I guess :
Completesoftmod (google guide)
Wii.guide
Modmii
there used to be a few guides here too, but they are old, so I'm not sure they are still "good". Now on the forum we often limit the help to how to install cIOS, not full hacking steps to install HBC. users seems to find these steps quite easily and don't ask it here anymore.
I can't answer for the USB/MicroSD adapter compatibility. I didn't test a lot. I suppose it'll mostly depend on the adapter itself, not the SD card.
The one I tried worked, but were very hot after few minutes of gaming.
new guides should now suggest the user to use FAT32 (or NTFS).
FAT32 is better as it allows gamecube playing from USB too, along with all other homebrew which can take advantage of that format (emulators, etc.)
WBFS was and is still fine, but if a guide tell the user to use that format specifically, I can only imagine it's an outdated guide, which might provide old tools, old files, old apps version.
that's not always a good idea to follow them.
But, there could be exception, and new update guide could suggest WBFS. it happened here too, I sometime suggest it on flashdrive as strangely it seems to have better compatibility than FAT32. but only for flashdrives, and if the user insist on not using HDD, it's a fall back (because only Wii game will work), but it's a solution
I don't know all guides, but I guess :
Completesoftmod (google guide)
Wii.guide
Modmii
there used to be a few guides here too, but they are old, so I'm not sure they are still "good". Now on the forum we often limit the help to how to install cIOS, not full hacking steps to install HBC. users seems to find these steps quite easily and don't ask it here anymore.
I can't answer for the USB/MicroSD adapter compatibility. I didn't test a lot. I suppose it'll mostly depend on the adapter itself, not the SD card.
The one I tried worked, but were very hot after few minutes of gaming.
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One of the issues for me is I run Mac these days and everything haxxor related is Windows so that makes it an extra layer of crap you've got to deal with.
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you don't really need an OS.
you can hack the wii using DNS redirection (wth your own server I guess?) and even without SD Card (why would you?), if not you can use https://please.hackmii.com/
then all is done on the console, using the installers (hackmii, cIOS)
edit: ah, I was in "wii mode", not vWii sorry.
but should be the same, no Windows needed. run WUP to replace miimaker channel, run hackmii installer, run WUP to restore original backup'd Miimaker, then vWii cIOS installer, all directly on the console.
that's only for the hacking part.
I agree that most additional tools are for Windows, as I tend to list all I find on wikitemp they are very rare for MacOS or iphone. it's great when they are non OS specific (python or java for example).
you can hack the wii using DNS redirection (wth your own server I guess?) and even without SD Card (why would you?), if not you can use https://please.hackmii.com/
then all is done on the console, using the installers (hackmii, cIOS)
edit: ah, I was in "wii mode", not vWii sorry.
but should be the same, no Windows needed. run WUP to replace miimaker channel, run hackmii installer, run WUP to restore original backup'd Miimaker, then vWii cIOS installer, all directly on the console.
that's only for the hacking part.
I agree that most additional tools are for Windows, as I tend to list all I find on wikitemp they are very rare for MacOS or iphone. it's great when they are non OS specific (python or java for example).
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