Hacking USB Loader GX: Game with balance board(?) freeze or white screen

wiimx · Apr 3, 2020

Hi Forum,
due to the current #westayathome situation my family wished to reactivate our old Wii. So I build it up. I remembered to some problems while playing Wii Fit Plus and decided to update it in hope to get rid of this. I updated the now over 8 year old modded system with the current ModMii v6.5.1. This worked with no errors. Game is loaded from HDD.

But the problems are still there:
In Wii Fit Plus the balance board is working. I can do the daily tests without problems. But the application sometime freezes e.g. after exiting a training while in training overview. I can reproduce following:
- start training in the "obstacle course" (in german "Hindernisparcours")
- connect balance board (ok)
- step on it
- press "A" on warning "do not jump on balance board"
Now the screen turns white and nothing more happens. The last reaction is a blink of the HDD led. That's it.

I searched this forum for more or similar problems but found nothing that matches my problem.
I checked the integrity of the (self generated) image with WiiBackupManager (SHA-1) as found in an other thread.

My current system is the following.

sysCheck v2.1.0b19 von Double_A und R2-D2199, Nano
...laeuft auf dem IOS58 (rev 6176).

Region: PAL
Systemmenue 4.1E (v450)
Priiloader installiert
Laufwerksdatum: 14.07.2008
Homebrewkanal 1.1.2 benutzt IOS58
HomebrewFilter ist nicht installiert
Hollywood v0x11
Konsolen-ID: 86652732
Boot2 v4
Es wurden 105 Titel gefunden.
Es wurden 56 IOS gefunden, von denen 5 funktionslos (Stub) sind.

IOS3 (rev 65280): Funktionslos (Stub)
IOS4 (rev 65280): Funktionslos (Stub)
IOS9 (rev 1034): Keine Patches
IOS10 (rev 768): Funktionslos (Stub)
IOS11 (rev 16174): Trucha Bug, NAND Zugriff
IOS12 (rev 526): Keine Patches
IOS13 (rev 1032): Keine Patches
IOS14 (rev 1032): Keine Patches
IOS15 (rev 1032): Keine Patches
IOS16 (rev 512): Funktionslos (Stub)
IOS17 (rev 1032): Keine Patches
IOS20 (rev 16174): Trucha Bug, NAND Zugriff
IOS21 (rev 1039): Keine Patches
IOS22 (rev 1294): Keine Patches
IOS28 (rev 1807): Keine Patches
IOS30 (rev 16174): Trucha Bug, NAND Zugriff
IOS31 (rev 3608): Keine Patches
IOS33 (rev 3608): Keine Patches
IOS34 (rev 3608): Keine Patches
IOS35 (rev 3608): Keine Patches
IOS36 (rev 65535): Trucha Bug, ES Identify, NAND Zugriff
IOS37 (rev 5663): Keine Patches
IOS38 (rev 4124): Keine Patches
IOS40 (rev 16174): Trucha Bug, NAND Zugriff
IOS41 (rev 3607): Keine Patches
IOS43 (rev 3607): Keine Patches
IOS45 (rev 3607): Keine Patches
IOS46 (rev 3607): Keine Patches
IOS48 (rev 4124): Keine Patches
IOS50 (rev 16174): Trucha Bug, NAND Zugriff
IOS51 (rev 4864): Funktionslos (Stub)
IOS52 (rev 16174): Trucha Bug, NAND Zugriff
IOS53 (rev 5663): Keine Patches
IOS55 (rev 5663): Keine Patches
IOS56 (rev 5662): Keine Patches
IOS57 (rev 5919): Keine Patches
IOS58 (rev 6176): USB 2.0
IOS60 (rev 16174): Trucha Bug, NAND Zugriff
IOS61 (rev 5662): Keine Patches
IOS62 (rev 6430): Keine Patches
IOS70 (rev 16174): Trucha Bug, NAND Zugriff
IOS80 (rev 16174): Trucha Bug, NAND Zugriff
IOS90 (rev 65535): Trucha Bug
IOS202[60] (rev 65535, Info: hermesrodries-v6): Trucha Bug, NAND Zugriff, USB 2.0
IOS222[38] (rev 4, Info: hermes-v4): Trucha Bug, ES Identify, NAND Zugriff, USB 2.0
IOS223[38+37] (rev 4, Info: hermes-v4): Trucha Bug, ES Identify, NAND Zugriff, USB 2.0
IOS224[57] (rev 65535, Info: hermesrodries-v6): Trucha Bug, NAND Zugriff, USB 2.0
IOS236[36] (rev 65535, Info: rev 3351): Trucha Bug, ES Identify, NAND Zugriff
IOS245[37] (rev 21008, Info: d2x-v8final): Trucha Bug, NAND Zugriff, USB 2.0
IOS246[38] (rev 21008, Info: d2x-v8final): Trucha Bug, ES Identify, NAND Zugriff
IOS247[53] (rev 21008, Info: d2x-v8final): Trucha Bug, NAND Zugriff, USB 2.0
IOS248[55] (rev 21008, Info: d2x-v8final): Trucha Bug, NAND Zugriff, USB 2.0
IOS249[57] (rev 21008, Info: d2x-v8final): Trucha Bug, NAND Zugriff, USB 2.0
IOS250[56] (rev 21008, Info: d2x-v8final): Trucha Bug, NAND Zugriff, USB 2.0
IOS251[58] (rev 21008, Info: d2x-v8final): Trucha Bug, NAND Zugriff, USB 2.0
IOS254 (rev 65281): BootMii
BC v6
MIOS v10

Bericht wurde am 03.04.2020 generiert.

My current USB Loader is GX Rev.1271 IOS249 (Rev 21008)+AHB (d2x v8final base57).

Someone an idea what to to?
Thank a lot.

Cyan · Apr 3, 2020

your system is good (you just updated it using modmii so you are good and up to date).

it could be something very simple, like the batteries of the balance board or the wiimote?
sometime games don't work if batteries are dead. is the balance board (and wiimote) still powered ?

is the wiimote an official nintendo brand?

It can be something a little more complicated and setting related.
Did you enable the "EmuNAND Save" option in the loader settings?
This is used to redirect savegame access from internal memory to external device, to save the savegame on SD or USB.
but some games don't work with that option. For example, Zelda Skyward Sword has the exact same symptom (random infinite white screen) when passing a door or loading a map.

You can try to change the IOS slot from 249 to 250.
your 249 uses "base57" (according to your syscheck, and this is what modmii does, it's good)
your 250 uses "base56"
some games work only with base56, some other only with base57. you have to change the slot to use for that game.
So, either globally in the loader's settings (affecting all games) : settings > loader's settings > Loader's IOS : 249 -> 250
either individually in the game's settings (affecting only one game) : select the game > options > game's options > IOS : use global -> 250

that's all I can think of for the moment.
If any of these suggestion helped, let me know so I can help more users next time.

wiimx · Apr 3, 2020

Hi Cyan,
thanks for your reply. Here are the answers to your questions

Cyan said:
it could be something very simple, like the batteries of the balance board or the wiimote?
sometime games don't work if batteries are dead. is the balance board (and wiimote) still powered ?

is the wiimote an official nintendo brand?

I checked that at the moment one more time. I use (as always) eneloops for all Wii stuff. They weren't fresh loaded, but battery load inidactor gives 2/4 for the Wiimote and 3/4 for the balance board. And both are powered, yes.
All our Nintendo parts are official nintendo brand, yes. And our Wiimotes are extended with an Wiimotion attached permanently (since we bought it).

Cyan said:
Did you enable the "EmuNAND Save" option in the loader settings?
This is used to redirect savegame access from internal memory to external device, to save the savegame on SD or USB.

No I did not enable this. I use the default settings in USB Loader GX and in the games (as far as I remeber). For Wii Fit Plus I reset setteings to defaults. Savegames go to Wii.

Addidionaly I testet for a corrupt savegame. I moved the WFP savegame from Wii to SD and started (the whole long running) introducing prodecure from WFP again to reach the start of the "obstacle course" again with a fresh clean new user. But the problem was the same. So I restored old savegame.

Cyan said:
You can try to change the IOS slot from 249 to 250.

I tried this also, same problem.

Thanks.

Cyan · Apr 3, 2020

are games without balance board working? it's only when using it?
do you have another game using the balance board? (raving rabbids, ikenie, etc.)
Do you have the official disc or a channel installed on sysmenu using the balance board ? to see if it works without usbloader/cIOS.
that way you could narrow the problem to the game itself, or the hardware, or the settings, etc.

That's the only solution I have for the moment, test everything to remove possibilities.

wiimx · Apr 3, 2020

Cyan said:
are games without balance board working? it's only when using it?
do you have another game using the balance board? (raving rabbids, ikenie, etc.)

Have to test this (again) this evening and will reply here after that.

Cyan said:
Do you have the official disc or a channel installed on sysmenu using the balance board ? to see if it works without usbloader/cIOS.

When playing WFP from our original disc it works without problems.

Cyan · Apr 3, 2020

wiimx said:
When playing WFP from our original disc it works without problems.

oh, good info!
so it's only when using USBLoader.

You should definitely try another game. maybe the cIOS is not installed correctly (very rare, I doubt it's the case here).
try another loader (wiiflow)? but I also doubt it's related to the loader, it's more something to do with the IOS or its base, but 56/57 are usually good for that game.

Thank you for doing more tests when you can.
I'll probably let other users help you next, as I've no more ideas.

@alexander1970 ! hehe, please, any ideas? I know you see things I forgot.

Alexander1970 · Apr 3, 2020

It is really Time for me to get a Balance Board (I do not know if it works for 120kg). :rofl2:

But I remember 1-2 Threads in the last Months where Users reported about Issues with the Balance Board and USB Loading.

Let me search a little please (Hey,I have to be in Raccoon City actual...

).

Thank you.

Cyan · Apr 3, 2020

up to 150Kg!
don't go to racoon city, it's also quarantined for pandemic virus

Alexander1970 · Apr 3, 2020

Cyan said:
up to 150Kg!
don't go to racoon city, it's also quarantined for pandemic virus

Not only Virus,very mean "new" Things there.....

Please would you be so kind and read through this Thread ?
It is not exactly the same Symptoms (not the Banner Brick,it was not) but maybe something we can use:

https://gbatemp.net/threads/bannerbrick-after-playing-wii-fit-plus.560492/#post-8983692

Thank you.

wiimx · Apr 3, 2020

alexander1970 said:
It is really Time for me to get a Balance Board (I do not know if it works for 120kg).

Cyan said:
up to 150Kg!

Hey guys, thats about double me!

(sorry...)

alexander1970 said:
Please would you be so kind and read through this Thread ?
It is not exactly the same Symptoms (not the Banner Brick,it was not) but maybe something we can use:
(link replaced due to no permission to post so far... )

I'm going to read/check this and leave a new notice here.
Thanks a lot.

Cyan · Apr 3, 2020

I've read that other thread and even replied to it.
like you said it's not related, but I added my contribution to possible ideas

Alexander1970 · Apr 3, 2020

Wii Board and Wii Fit Game is on the Way....

wiimx · Apr 4, 2020

After the given todos from yesterday I did a lot of tests last evening. I tested with different (other) loaders: Wiiflow, two different CFG Loader versions and another USB Loader GX version (r1272 - I'm on r1271). But with no one the problem did solve. So I tried again to start WFP from CD and this worked as expected - no problems. We didn't try other games with balance board, but I did the following, because the last reaction before white screen freeze was the blink from USB HDD drive.
I moved the WFP folder on the HDD to an other folder and renamed all files. Now I backed up the disk again to HDD and tested again...

...and it works!

It seems, that the backup has an error, that WiiBackupManager (SHA-1)-Test did not recognise!? I cant't believe it!?
Thank a lot for the support or the right questions to solve this problem.

The only (other) fault I found while the tests was an freeze after quitting Mii-"Management" (how is it called?) after deleting some old Mii characters. When entering Wii system menu, it freezed.

wiimx · Apr 5, 2020

do I have to mark this thread solved? if yes, how? what should I do?

Alexander1970 · Apr 5, 2020

wiimx said:
do I have to mark this thread solved? if yes, how? what should I do?

Hello.

You can maybe write a big,green SOLVED in your Post and that is ok.

And it will helps in the Future Users with the same/simliar Issues.

Thank you for your Help.

wiimx · Apr 5, 2020

SOLVED
by creating an new game backup.

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