Homebrew Question title requires higher system firmware - new games in HBG don't work

MrZipper · Mar 31, 2020

Hi,
Lot's of (newer) games from HBG shop don't work after (fine) installation.
I've tried downloading the NSP manually and after USB install i get an error message 'title requires higher system firmware'.
I'm using tinfoil 8.1 with latest hbg shop.....what is wrong and how can i fix this?
Thanks.
MrZipper.

MushGuy · Mar 31, 2020

Update your firmware manually: https://switch.homebrew.guide/usingcfw/manualupgrade

MrZipper · Mar 31, 2020

MushGuy said:
Update your firmware manually: https://switch.homebrew.guide/usingcfw/manualupgrade

HI MushGuy, thanks, but i'm really an absolut newbie in hackworld, too risky for me :-)
Is there any other way?
Can i wait for a new tinfoil version and perhaps future versions will fix this issue?
I have never had this issue before, This problem occurs only in the last weeks and with the newer games.
Thanks.
MrZipper.

MushGuy · Mar 31, 2020

That's something that I don't think Tinfoil can solve. I also thought it would be too risky at first, but just follow the instructions, and you should be good to play the newer games. If you really are afraid of what might happen, I suggest you make a backup of your NAND beforehand.

MrZipper · Apr 1, 2020

MushGuy said:
That's something that I don't think Tinfoil can solve. I also thought it would be too risky at first, but just follow the instructions, and you should be good to play the newer games. If you really are afraid of what might happen, I suggest you make a backup of your NAND beforehand.

Hi MushGuy,
Thanks, OK i might consider this manual upgrade as last resort option.
So my current swith version is 9.01 and i can't play any hbg shop games since march.
Can you tell me what is the tinfoil 'Ignore Soft Firmware Check' option for? I have it enabled.
Is there any other way to remove or to fool the current firmware for the downloaded games?
Perhaps there's some programm which can do this trick in tinfoil?

Purple_Heart · Apr 1, 2020

its because newest game only work with newer keygeneration means probably 9.x only

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need to update

blawar · Apr 1, 2020

You can try to enable standard crypto to install the games to force the master key down, however there is a good chance this will not work and the games will not boot. The only real solution is to update your firmware.

MrZipper · Apr 1, 2020

blawar said:
You can try to enable standard crypto to install the games to force the master key down, however there is a good chance this will not work and the games will not boot. The only real solution is to update your firmware.

Hello Blawar, indeed, i tried that already, then i see the game icon (instead of grey icon with loading circle) BUT the game won't start.
So this is something tinfoil absolutely can not fix in the future?

MushGuy · Apr 1, 2020

Tinfoil cannot do that, and it never will, unfortunately. You will need to do the manual update.

Draxzelex · Apr 1, 2020

MrZipper said:
Hello Blawar, indeed, i tried that already, then i see the game icon (instead of grey icon with loading circle) BUT the game won't start.
So this is something tinfoil absolutely can not fix in the future?

Games are built with certain SDKs or software development kits which give them inherent firmware requirements which can never be bypassed unless you somehow manage to obtain the game's source code and recompile them for lower firmware versions.

blawar · Apr 1, 2020

Draxzelex said:
Games are built with certain SDKs or software development kits which give them inherent firmware requirements which can never be bypassed unless you somehow manage to obtain the game's source code and recompile them for lower firmware versions.

this isn’t quite right, there are games built with newer sdk’s that can run on older firmwares. But it’s close enough, people just need to update their firmware whenever possible.

Draxzelex · Apr 1, 2020

blawar said:
this isn’t quite right, there are games built with newer sdk’s that can run on older firmwares. But it’s close enough, people just need to update their firmware whenever possible.

Yeah, yeah, I know it depends on what functions they draw from the newer firmware versions but it gets the point across.

MrZipper · Apr 2, 2020

Hi,
So....OK, before i start upgrading manually i need you guys to help me out.
I use the RCM loader (model one B, payload.bin.loader) with SEPT (Atmosphere) to get into tinfoil, hbg shop.
I see some serious warnings in this guide https://switch.homebrew.guide/usingcfw/manualupgrade for example 'Never enable AutoRCM on an IPATCHED Switch'
What is this AutoRCM and how can i see if i have it enabled or not ?
Also this info is Chinese for me:
If you cannot run payloads from RCM with fusee-gelee, DO NOT ENABLE AUTORCM.
Failure to heed this warning will result in a bricked Switch.
If you could just guide me into this :bow:

Thanks.

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NuadaXXX · Apr 2, 2020

MrZipper said:
Hi,
So....OK, before i start upgrading manually i need you guys to help me out.
I use the RCM loader (model one B, payload.bin.loader) with SEPT (Atmosphere) to get into tinfoil, hbg shop.
I see some serious warnings in this guide https://switch.homebrew.guide/usingcfw/manualupgrade for example 'Never enable AutoRCM on an IPATCHED Switch'
What is this AutoRCM and how can i see if i have it enabled or not ?
Also this info is Chinese for me:
If you cannot run payloads from RCM with fusee-gelee, DO NOT ENABLE AUTORCM.
Failure to heed this warning will result in a bricked Switch.
If you could just guide me into this
Thanks.

'

if u have not a patched one,
then there is nothing to worry about update it with ChoiDujourNX with exfat, whether you use it or not

and be sure that u have a backup from all "full nand" i update manual since 5.*.* and i got never a problem.

RCM means that u have not to use a jig all the time only the "RCM loader" is needed to start CFW
mine Auto RCM is Active since release and i got never a Problem with.

VampireOniX · Apr 2, 2020

MrZipper said:
Hi,
So....OK, before i start upgrading manually i need you guys to help me out.
I use the RCM loader (model one B, payload.bin.loader) with SEPT (Atmosphere) to get into tinfoil, hbg shop.
I see some serious warnings in this guide https://switch.homebrew.guide/usingcfw/manualupgrade for example 'Never enable AutoRCM on an IPATCHED Switch'
What is this AutoRCM and how can i see if i have it enabled or not ?
Also this info is Chinese for me:
If you cannot run payloads from RCM with fusee-gelee, DO NOT ENABLE AUTORCM.
Failure to heed this warning will result in a bricked Switch.
If you could just guide me into this
Thanks.

'

If you're running CFW then you dont have an ipatched/patched switch. AUTORCM makes it so you dont have to use a jig to boot payloads.

MrZipper · Apr 2, 2020

Hi guys, thanks a lot for this info.
Can someone send me a guide or link how to do a full nand backup for my console (remember i have a rcm loader device).
I've seen some video's but those consoles had no rcm loader device, so not usefull for me i think.
Thanks a lot.

Geckle · Apr 2, 2020

MrZipper said:
Hi guys, thanks a lot for this info.
Can someone send me a guide or link how to do a full nand backup for my console (remember i have a rcm loader device).
I've seen some video's but those consoles had no rcm loader device, so not usefull for me i think.
Thanks a lot.

You should be able to replace the payload on your RCM loader with a Hekate payload, then use Hekate to backup.

MrZipper · Apr 2, 2020

Geckle said:
You should be able to replace the payload on your RCM loader with a Hekate payload, then use Hekate to backup.

Hi, thanks, but can you tell me how to do this step by step...sorry i'm an absolute newbie in this. :switch:

Geckle · Apr 2, 2020

MrZipper said:
Hi, thanks, but can you tell me how to do this step by step...sorry i'm an absolute newbie in this.

I shouldn't need to as it's very easy. I myself do not have an RCM loader, so it may not be exact, but you should go to the website of the RCM loader you bought as they will have instructions. I'd assume all you have to do is connect the RCM loader to a computer, then change the payload (where ever it may be) to the Hekate payload. Then to backup you can simply look up on youtube something along the lines of "How to back up switch with hekate" and follow along with the video.

MrZipper · Apr 27, 2020

Hi guys,
How do i get into the hekate bootmenu with a RCM loader device?
My payload on my RCM loader is HEKATE CTCAER 4.2.
So what i tried is:
- Injecting payload with RCM loader (so this is holding volume up and holding powerbutton)
- holding volume down (this should get me into the bootmenu, i've seen it on some youtube movie)
....but nothing happens, i only see the Atmosphere startup screen as usual....
Thanks.

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