MyPillow CEO tears into 'evil media' for mocking his appearance at White House press briefing

Xzi · Apr 1, 2020

morvoran said:
Trump started his response with the travel ban from China in January. What was he supposed to do without any more information? Even the health experts praise his quick response to the info he did have which may have saved thousands of lives. It was the Dems such as pelosi and deblasio that caused a lot of harm by telling everyone to ignoe Trump and continue to frolick around to further spread the virus. Plus, you lefties love to interpret Trump's words in ways that only fit your agendas. Just because the virus is still around doesn't mean it still won't just "disappear one day". The future is still ahead of us (mainly because the Dems aren't in charge).

Okay buddy, keep spouting easily disproven horseshit and keep licking that boot. Maybe one day you'll get to the center.

morvoran · Apr 1, 2020

Xzi said:
Okay buddy, keep spouting easily disproven horseshit and keep licking that boot. Maybe one day you'll get to the center.

Here's a story from February where Pelosi was frolicking through China Town in San Francisco suggesting everyone to come visit and spread the disease. I guess this was while Trump was twiddling his fingers, huh?
https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2...-nancy-pelosi-tours-san-franciscos-chinatown/

Here's a story about DeBlasio refusing to shut down schools and requesting people go about their normal lives.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/16/nyregion/coronavirus-bill-de-blasio.html

So much for Democrats being all about saving lives, yep.

I'm sure I know you're response already, "Derp, I'm Xzi and everyone knows those are conservative news sources. Go lick a boot while I eat my dinner -

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Xzi · Apr 1, 2020

morvoran said:
Here's a story from February where Pelosi was frolicking through China Town in San Francisco suggesting everyone to come visit and spread the disease. I guess this was while Trump was twiddling his fingers, huh?
https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2...-nancy-pelosi-tours-san-franciscos-chinatown/

Here's a story about DeBlasio refusing to shut down schools and requesting people go about their normal lives.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/16/nyregion/coronavirus-bill-de-blasio.html

I'm no fan of Pelosi, but I'm pretty sure she was just trying to do something to quell the hate boner so many idiots have right now for anybody who looks remotely Asian. DeBlasio can go fuck himself on the best of days, but let's not pretend that the vast majority of Republican mayors haven't responded to this just as poorly, if not worse. Let alone some Republican governors just now starting to close non-essential businesses.

notimp · Apr 1, 2020

Hot tip, next time start witht the story and not with two paragraphs of mock emotions triggering everyone around you while they still try to decipher what you are complaining about irrationally this time.

morvoran · Apr 1, 2020

Xzi said:
I'm no fan of Pelosi, but I'm pretty sure she was just trying to do something to quell the hate boner so many idiots have right now for anybody who looks remotely Asian. DeBlasio can go fuck himself on the best of days, but let's not pretend that the vast majority of Republican mayors haven't responded to this just as poorly, if not worse. Let alone some Republican governors just now starting to close non-essential businesses.

Yeah, Pelosi was putting identity politics over people's lives and New York state is our epicenter of the coronavirus because of the awesome democrat leadership of Cuomo.
Just imagine if weak little Bernie or senile Biden were put in charge. Both of us could be dead and not have our little chats anymore.

notimp · Apr 1, 2020

JayMathis said:
Biden Called Trump’s Chinese Coronavirus Travel Ban ‘Xenophobia’

Biden claimed Trump was doing too much to combat the virus before claiming that he's not doing enough.

Idiots parade again.

The thing with a pandemic is, that is spreads throughout the world. If you have an epicenter - thats already locked down (by chinese authorities). And it is reported, that Trump has done JACK SH*T until all his advisers unilaterally dragged him to do anything ( https://apnews.com/0dc271ad7f7917374a5a0cfb49273783 ), he first and foremost has done jack sh*t. And nothing early.

Then he f*cking lied again calling it a 'border closing' (US has got no border with china), lied again by saying it was 'with china' (only a small region within china), and lied again by insisting, that he called for it early, but at the same time - according to him - only once all his advisors were in agreement ( h**ps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6Jd-e1vUoA ) - which makes that he installed strong actions, early an utter lie, see second to last link. (The last link is just confirmation, that he also knows - that its a lie (the 'he was the only person asking for it' part and 'with (entire) china' part.).)

Border closings make sense, but only if you are china - have sucessfully curbed spread, and are now afraid, that people will drag it into Wuhan region again, OR if your know certain vectors ("people from china be infected"), and you act early - NONE of which happened in the US.

US hasnt got proper testing up even as we speak, at a time, where they already are in short supply of ventilators. US is two months late in the response, and scrambling like a mofo.

Trump did NOTHING to protect you early.

Also give me a source for the xenophobia comment, you ass - spreading rumors on the internet, calling politicians names. I need it, because I'll now come forward in defending you on your core point. If Biden says this measure (travel ban), and not f.e. Trumps language around it, is xenophobic, he (Biden) is wrong and an idiot.

Regardless. The thing with a pandemic is, that it spreads throughout the world. Trump himself stood two feet removed from an aid of the brazillian president, that confirmed was infected, epicenters were in Italy, Spain, even France, and now the biggest one is in the US, as they finally started testing.

Freaking american choir singer groups returning from a freaking choir meetup are now dying ( https://metro.co.uk/2020/03/31/two-...rus-group-met-sing-despite-pandemic-12484955/ ) and I'm pretty sure, those werent the famous chinese choirs, that were responsible for that.

If you werent such an idiot, youd understand, that a virus that spreads exponentially (one person, very fast, infects 3 or more). Isnt - at all - limited to national borders. So if Trump called for a 'border closing with china', that wasnt a border closing, and did so late as f*ck, and as the only thing he could think about doing - he is still a useless idiot, and not something that tried to protect you.

There are about 20 other measures, that you HAVE to implement for actual 'protection' (so fewer people get infected fast), he implemented none of them ("thats the job of the governours...").
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On topic. (Opening posting.)

Currently there is a political debate raging, urging Trump to trigger the national defense act, to be able to force companies into producing URGENTLY needed medical supplies, such as masks and ventilators.

Trump has categorically REFUSED, to enact it (or only enacted it for GM/only asked GM - cant remember) - and now is trapped in backpaddling talk, showing off GM who will produce ventilators (capacity of 50.000 a month is their max), while Trump already boasted, that those will be partly given away to other countries, because the US doesnt need them - which is insane talk - and now apparently is holding press meetings, with manufacturers of freaking square pieces of clothing, with plastic filter mounts attached to them, to lessen the pressure from the opposition that hits him every day - for doing jack sh*t.

So now his response is pillow talk with pillow guy - that 'voluntarily' (not because of triggering a national defense act) stopped sewing pillows for a while - which is a PR response.

But idiots in this forum want to make it 'the big thing the president does' (he's still done jack shit) to save us all, by convincing one manufacturer at a time to do something voluntarily.

Just so we understand each other.

Far right in this thread still confuses PR response with proactive measures.

NO WHERE ELSE IN THE WORLD, do we have press conferences of presidents with pillow companies, because they started making face masks. And everyone who can, has started switching over to producing protective gear by now - because entire cities are on lock down, nothing else sells, and there is a price premium of several 100% on it because of limited availability. Which currently even states are willing to pay, because they need them. So pillow guy, will make a freaking fortune.

So nice, that he also prays a little along the way.

President is still urged LOUDLY, by conservative gouvernours, to not let the market 'solve' this one, but trigger the national defense act, because there is a bid war going on, behind the scenes for facemasks alone. In which pillow guy, will gladly participate in, between prayers.

So Trump is still making the situation worse, by not acting.
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The opening posting again, is a lie in premise.

ALL that morvorvan and friends are doing in this forum is posting highly emotionaly charged lies. To have everyone parttake in their brand of manufactured insanity. Dont fall for it.

SG854 · Apr 1, 2020

Trigger Warning

notimp · Apr 1, 2020

SG854 said:
Trigger Warning

Should have been indicated by starting a posting with 'idiot parade'.

If people cant post source links, while telling 'that politician called another one xenophobic' -

and if the people screaming fake news the loudest are still unable to fact check the - verbetum propaganda, they pick up from far right radio hosts and youtubers - everything is lost.

You are still out to destroy every platform of contemplation that would be able to surface something factual to you - by insisting a political fraction is all evil and acting against gods will. For what, for a little emotional payoff, that someone attended to your needs for attention again?

At the same time, you have Trump on record on Fox stating that he ripped out voter legislation tacked onto a bill because - and I quote 'the democrats would have numbers of people voting, that would have the US never have a republican president ever again' ( h**ps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EN7dsGLCzVg at 2:30 timestamp).

Oldest democracy in the world.

Those are the topics we could rage about, that currently are laid bare by corona crisis. Not the republicans lame excuse for not enacting a national emergency act to make medical supplies available readily (not at price premiums), and parading 'voluntary pillow guy'. As if that was some sort of excuse.

Whoever you get your talking points from, they are so full of designed false arguments, that my best course of action still is - telling you, that you should stop listening to the freaking mouthpieces, that put those designed lies into your mouths to distribute via forums and social media.

And if you are still at it, at least do it on social media. There that stuff vanishes within three hours. As while in this forum, someone has to attend to it, because it lasts for days.

Do you really think, that people here are so dumb, to let f*cking PR lies stand for weeks on the first page and do nothing about them?

If everytime you post something you are beat down by someone telling you - what you are posting is a lie floating a wrong premise, and a thick crust of PR bullsh*t on top, change your sources -

why are the same people still bringing the same emotionally enraging, lies to the same place, expecting a different outcome.

I can only post so many times, that far right trolls are nothing compared to the ideologically motivated people listening to radio shock jocks in this forum - and for some reason, still believing.

Then selling 'truths' like, the political opposition is destroying my country in democracy. While 'their' president, the one they are trying to protect, is doing nothing.

And giving Fox interviews, how he actively destroyed democracy in the US, by preventing the entire population from voting.

OK? Great.

Xzi · Apr 1, 2020

morvoran said:
New York state is our epicenter of the coronavirus because of the awesome democrat leadership of Cuomo

America is now the world's epicenter for the virus because of the utter failures of our federal government. New York is simply one of the first states to spike because it has some of the nation's densest population centers, and it's one of the world's major hub cities for travel. Every state is going to experience something similar in an undetermined order, and the states that reacted slowest will be hit hardest.

morvoran said:
Just imagine if weak little Bernie or senile Biden were put in charge. Both of us could be dead and not have our little chats anymore.

Don't kid yourself, either or both of us could still end up dead before this is all over. It wasn't that long ago Fox News and Trump were begging people to sacrifice themselves at the altar of the free market by going back to work. He's done a 180 recently, but we'll see how many months our ravenous oligarchs can hold out until that idea suddenly pops back into his head again. Both Trump and Biden are simply weak-minded establishment puppets, Biden's just a little better at hiding the malicious parts of his personality.

notimp · Apr 1, 2020

Xzi said:
America is now the world's epicenter for the virus because of the utter failures of our federal government.

Or higher power.

Its very hard to operate with 'what if' scenarios, if you dont know what would have happened, if a country started acting earlier. You dont know. No one does.

Its useless to play the blame game on that one. Next time do it better.

edit:

(All I can add is, that US death figures compaired to total amount of people having corona (3% death rate), dont add up when compared to what other countries are reporting, that werent totally overwhelmed by it. So your testing was botched. Too little of it, too late.

Countries around where I am still have half their hospital capacity available, while having a much higher propagation of testing in place, that shows a much lower mortality rate (just meaning US isnt testing enough people 'equally' at a stage where your hospitals are already working at capacity, in certain cities). And I live close to italy.

So in short, you start testing as your hospitals have become overwhelmed already, in important parts of your country. But you dont care - because the farm belt (and with it 'overall US on average') will be hit less. (Population density.)

Thats all the presidents actions reflect. Really.)

Xzi · Apr 1, 2020

notimp said:
Its very hard to operate with 'what if' scenarios, if you dont know what would have happened, if a country started acting earlier. You dont know. No one does.

Of course we know. Any doctor or nurse will tell you that the sooner you take measures to limit the spread of a new infectious disease or virus, the more likely it is we'll have the resources to save as many lives as possible. Even Dr. Fauci has been saying that at White House briefings.

notimp · Apr 1, 2020

But if the only measures you've got is to shut down public life (and therefore economy), you dont want to rely on those too early, because they cost real money.

The periods you need those measures for, cant become 'shorter' if you employ them earlier. (Duration is set by the time people need to get healthy again by themselves, without infecting three others. edit: And then you do that for two or three 'generations' of propagation.)

If the question is, if the US could have prevented spread by shutting down vectors (people spreading infection) early, the answer to that might very well be - no - (because of a variety of reasons - most profane one: 192/195 countries in the world now have it - pretty much none of them well contained, maybe with the exception of china, japan, south korea (if you can trust their numbers)).

You still need wide spread availability on testing, to know when you can stop curfews (in densly populated areas moreso), which you are still lacking - presumably, looking at your numbers. This is something you could have done better.

You could have also produced more medical equipment earlier, leading to a lower deathrate.

"Closing border with china" earlier than you did (and Trump did not do that early - thats just a lie), mostly did nothing. Other less costly measures to stop spread early - as in the majority of the countries in the world - might not have worked.

Xzi · Apr 1, 2020

notimp said:
But if the only measures you've got is to shut down public life (and therefore economy), you dont want to rely on those too early, because they cost real money.

Fucking up the response and watching the corpses pile up as a result is sure to do far more long-term damage to the economy. 100,000 to 200,000 dead is now the estimate for America if we do everything right from here on out. And that's a big if.

notimp · Apr 1, 2020

Xzi said:
Fucking up the response and watching the corpses pile up as a result is sure to do far more long-term damage to the economy. 100,000 to 200,000 dead is now the estimate for America if we do everything right from here on out. And that's a big if.

The big if is the problem. At some point you are operating with a monetary value of 'lifes worth' of a human being. The US seemingly is doing that very early.

If all countries enact measures roughly equally, and employ deficit spending (national debt) roughtly equally - you could enact longer measures. If one important country (like the US) does not. Other countries are ruining themselves in relative terms, economically. So discussions of when to leave curfew messures are now _very_ active in f.e. germany as well.

One more thing - the nature of exponentiality roughly can be described as 'if case number low, problem low, if case number big, problem big, very fast (too fast)'.

So all attempts to judging a thing by feel (200.000 expected death number as the 'scope') are strangely problemtic - because with the number of infected doubling all three days (if the curve is not curbed), the issue at higher case numbers escalates very quickly in a way - no one can react to. (Number of infected people doubling in three days mostly an issue in highly populated regions.)

So someone has to do real math in the background, and politics has to decide - when the time comes.

There is little cause to discuss this problem in a 'popular vane' (let the people decide). Or try to solve it with activism. Because the vast majority of people would not judge the issue correctly. And because i'm bad at math - I'd count myself as within that group as well.

notimp · Apr 1, 2020

Important retraction/addition:

There is a third reason of why/when boarder closings (actual term: travel ban) make sense, and that is, if growth rate in a neighboring country is much higher than in yours - for gods sake - close your borders. But at the point where almost every country in the world seemingly started acting, growthrate was uniformly at +33% every day.

At which point, you can basically leave your borders open, because the threat doesnt get 'bigger' if you dont.

Just conceptually. I know too little about the actual details in that decision making process.

edit:
US has active borders with with Canada and Mexico. Thats it. If they have now become the epicenter of the world (Hello New York!), both Mexico and Canada should think hard about limiting travel from the US into their countries, which they did.

Its impossible to solve the issue through border closings, if its enough for a few business travelers to spread the virus in highly 'regionally mobil' populations. (You can slow it down though.) Trump would say he did so - very well - by limiting tourists, who then went to spain (he actually said that, btw.). But now the US has become the epicenter - so file that under 'things Trump would say'.

US is also a very internationally connected country (not dependent, but still connected). So by that logic, lock up all politicians and international business travelers first. Strange - no one had been demanding that one.

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Travel ban is different from curfews. When trying to limit regional spread. When your country has a widespread corona issue - different logic applies. (You are now not so much trying to limit it regionally, but slow down infection rate. (Resigning to the fact, that it will spread everywhere within your country anyhow - you are now trying to limit how fast. So if you are demanding harsher meassures, you are now harming yourself economically. (Because measures currently are costly.))))

You dont have the bad guy south of the border, that should pay for it - to hand the burden over to rhetorically.
Which is why Trumps usual 'close border' PR doesnt work anymore.
(If you can extrapolate from that that it also would never have worked on economic issues with mexico, you are one of the lucky ones, that still can rely on a working brain.. Lets say - this is an 'advanced lesson'.)
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Also - much less costly measure to curb the curve? Surveilling everyones personal contacts on mass. Then acting selectively. I'm still very much against that measure - because, if it sticks (or if that (time limited) data never gets - entirely deleted) - and those power measures have the propensity to do so, you destroy democracy in the process.

notimp · Apr 1, 2020

And Fox news, btw is lying to people again. We dont call that fake news, we call that lies.

I'm referring to the extra special leniency in the title of that video. The fact that in the video NO national action ('what Trump did') is shown, the fact, that they are now listing 3M as a supplier for ventilators (probably listing all the component suppliers down to thes sticky labels)...

I'm also talking about the war rhetoric that is there to lul people into a very special place of of complacency.

Those guys - really are only there to write the Michael Bay action movie, after the fact, making sure to use the word enemy and hero 20 times within 20 minutes.

Then they bring you 'alliteration'.

Facts without fear. Facts are national government does nothing. The companies you listed (30?) are not all producing ventilators, and then come out at 10-20.000 more within the next month. (Thats production capacity of one maybe two big companies.) The president did nothing early. And that media channel is covering up as much of that stuff as possible.
Their talking piece still didn't get, that death rate amongst young people is 0.2% or lower if your hospital systems are not overtaxed and is claiming the opposite (dont take curfew measures lightly - if you are young, if you infect many others in the process, you are still doing it wrong).

Facts without fear. Hey, I can use that slogan as well.

But then they are also preying. Facts without fear, with prayers.

"Future generations will learn from the lessons of this pandemic" (quote) in as much as they will not dismantle the pandemic response team as this administration did.

"Remember it used to take years to get the gene sequence of a virus" What? "thats american ingenuity and science" virus genome was first sequenced and shared with everyone in the world by the chinese.

"The great american ingenuity and hard work is part of the facts that should give you hope tonight."
Sorry, can you f*cking stop performing your mentalist routine on people, and start acting like a news channel?

Hero, hero, enemy, danger, war - without fear, and pray. Fox news out.

edit: "Doctors are now very happy, that after two weeks of social distancing in california, the curve is now flattening fine in the bay area?" This is the "good news segment"? Ehm, did you run against a wall or something? If after two weeks it doesnt flatten in the rest of california, rest of california is doing it wrong.

Or has rest of california still no statistically 'normally distributed' testing available? And the bay area are the only ones that do? Who knows. Don't bank on Fox news to tell you.

JayMathis · Apr 1, 2020

Has anyone ever read a notimp post and not lost points off their IQ?

Idiot wrote a book saying I need a source. Here's the best source in the world, from Biden himself. Now crawl back into your little hole and cry.

And notimp I'll give you my address and you can mail me some of your tears when Trump is reelected. They will be quite delicious. Biden has pretty much disappeared lately at the worst time ever. He's probably being prepared for a nursing home but they wont let him in one now because of this virus so he's just stuck in limbo.

Game over....insert coin and try again.

But I know you will continue and just know that I won't read it because I don't read fake news coming from an absolute moron.

notimp · Apr 1, 2020

As presumed (read my post), Biden didnt label the travel restrictions xenophobic - but Trumps insistence on labeling corona "the chinese virus".

You are wrong - and spurring lies.

Short and concise.

I can do nothing for people that dont read or listen to the own source material they are providing.

Source on the video was fine (Bloomberg).

notimp · Apr 1, 2020

If you want to sue Fox News, their executives reportedly already have noticed, that they are liable for grave misreporting and are at risk of civil lawsuits.

src: https://www.mediamatters.org/fox-ne...on-after-misleading-viewers-about-coronavirus

SG854 · Apr 1, 2020

notimp said:
Should have been indicated by starting a posting with 'idiot parade'.

If people cant post source links, while telling 'that politician called another one xenophobic' -

and if the people screaming fake news the loudest are still unable to fact check the - verbetum propaganda, they pick up from far right radio hosts and youtubers - everything is lost.

You are still out to destroy every platform of contemplation that would be able to surface something factual to you - by insisting a political fraction is all evil and acting against gods will. For what, for a little emotional payoff, that someone attended to your needs for attention again?

At the same time, you have Trump on record on Fox stating that he ripped out voter legislation tacked onto a bill because - and I quote 'the democrats would have numbers of people voting, that would have the US never have a republican president ever again' ( h**ps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EN7dsGLCzVg at 2:30 timestamp).

Oldest democracy in the world.

Those are the topics we could rage about, that currently are laid bare by corona crisis. Not the republicans lame excuse for not enacting a national emergency act to make medical supplies available readily (not at price premiums), and parading 'voluntary pillow guy'. As if that was some sort of excuse.

Whoever you get your talking points from, they are so full of designed false arguments, that my best course of action still is - telling you, that you should stop listening to the freaking mouthpieces, that put those designed lies into your mouths to distribute via forums and social media.

And if you are still at it, at least do it on social media. There that stuff vanishes within three hours. As while in this forum, someone has to attend to it, because it lasts for days.

Do you really think, that people here are so dumb, to let f*cking PR lies stand for weeks on the first page and do nothing about them?

If everytime you post something you are beat down by someone telling you - what you are posting is a lie floating a wrong premise, and a thick crust of PR bullsh*t on top, change your sources -

why are the same people still bringing the same emotionally enraging, lies to the same place, expecting a different outcome.

I can only post so many times, that far right trolls are nothing compared to the ideologically motivated people listening to radio shock jocks in this forum - and for some reason, still believing.

Then selling 'truths' like, the political opposition is destroying my country in democracy. While 'their' president, the one they are trying to protect, is doing nothing.

And giving Fox interviews, how he actively destroyed democracy in the US, by preventing the entire population from voting.

OK? Great.

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