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He guy, 'omg, so sad, omg so horrible, omg so important to know, omg so funny' works on facebook. What are you posting this in a forum for?

Likes?

Discussion?

Attention?

Laughter?

Noise?

Ok, lets use this opportunity... Media literacy education is about you all, at some point learning how to filter out the noise. That spreads very fast. And is very popular. But is entirely useless, and is just you hitting a button to trigger emotional feedback. For a while you are very satisfied emotionally. But in the end everyone loses.

In this case - there is not even an ironic angle here, or any aspect people could identify as additional value through an 'artful play with concepts'.

Its just... The most plain form of emotional outrage bait.

Not even the parents of that child would find it valuable, that you shared this information. They would not benefit from our shared condolences in the least. While posting, you had to know, that this would also draw malice, of people simply ridiculing the situation.

Is this you - Donald?

Oh sorry - yes gun debate. Thank you for making it so emotional. One person. Accident. Everyone saw it coming. Sure. Lets have the 'should you ban guns' discussion again, over this. Because Baby. After the five times we had it last year.

I'll start.

I am pro babys life, so we should ban guns. Whos against it?

No one? Great.

So why isn't it a law already?

#sosad #sounnecessary

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edit: Hopefully without being too insensitive, lets look at this purely statistically this time:
505 deaths due to accidental or negligent discharge of a firearm, and 281 deaths due to firearms use with "undetermined intent".[9]
In 2013 (in US). First figure is the one relevant for in here.
src: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States

You can also take this graphic from the UK:
Mortality-rates-big-graph-001.jpg
src: https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2012/nov/06/deaths-mortality-rates-cause-death-2011

And multiply its numbers by 5x (to get an equivalent to US population figures) to get other causes of death that might be relatively speaking as common.
(Accidental poisoning, accidental hanging, accidental falling, ...)
 
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I read the article. Lotsa stupid caused that child to be harmed. Stupid babysitter. Stupider parents. Stupid public education system that won't even teach the most fundamental, practical basics of living to students. (That's a personal peeve of mine - schools should teach how to use basic hand tools and make simple repairs, how to keep personal finances and manage a budget and bank account, basic first aid, basic safety practices with firearms, knives/axes, power tools * and the consequences if not followed * , basic civic obligations such as paying annual income and property taxes, renewing vehicle registration, legal functions of local government.) Blaming an inanimate object for harms is likewise stupid. When someone gets stabbed, do you blame the knife? When someone is killed by a drunk driver, do you blame the car? Besides being protected by the Constitution, firearm ownership provides weaker persons the possibility of defending themselves against more powerful aggressors (and don't pretend such events don't occur). But stupid is as stupid does, and stupid people cause serious harm to others every damned day simply by virtue of their stupidity and ignorance, no gun required. When some mishap with a firearm committed by a 19 year old moron does occur, because her older, adult sibling and their spouse left the 19 year old and their 10yr old child alone in the home with an unsecured and loaded weapon, please have the sense to blame all the stupid involved.
 
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Oh btw. when are we invading Iran over 'people falling over stairs' (equivalent of 3000 deaths each year in the US - so the same as on 9/11)?

Thats your chance to put me on the ropes, by arguing, that you cant look at this plainly in a statistical fashion, because some deaths are more problematic and maybe more in vain than others. ;)

(Thats my present for having been so rude in the first place. ;) )
 

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Oh btw. when are we invading Iran over 'people falling over stairs' (equivalent of 3000 deaths each year in the US - so the same as on 9/11)?

Thats your chance to put me on the ropes, by arguing, that you cant look at this plainly in a statistical fashion, because some deaths are more problematic and maybe more in vain than others. ;)

(Thats my present for having been so rude in the first place. ;) )
I think the time for argument is gone, the time for voting is nigh. And that's all that really matters.
 

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I think the time for argument is gone, the time for voting is nigh. And that's all that really matters.
Issue might be too small. Or not.

Thats what activism is for.

But in this case it may be more suited for facebook or other social platforms, that dont have people actually addressing the issue for lets say a week - until it is on page two (and with that out of our minds.. ;) ). The temptation to just address this rationally, at least after a short while, is too high here.. ;) (And yes, there is irony in me saying that.. ;) )
 
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You do realize that even if guns were magically banished from existence (Or however you think Gun Control works), she could just as easily have gone to the kitchen, grabbed a knife and carried out the same exact actions, right?

That is one of the fundamental flaws about gun control; The root issue is never addressed, you're just going after a symptom (Violent unhinged people being Violent & Unhinged). Now granted, we can't know in advance which people are going to commit violent crimes, so while I do not agree with disarming the population (Which thankfully is against the 2nd Amendment), I get that the next best scenario is to somehow limit the possibilities of more at risks populations from getting guns; However, the problem with those types of policies becomes a question of, who gets to define "At Risk Populations", what is the criteria to be considered "At Risk" and finally is there sufficient Due Process?

Here is a great example of the insidious nature of these types of policies and the tactlessness of their proponents.
no fly no buy

In a nutshell, if you were one of the unfortunate American Citizens to end up on the "No Fly List", you would also be disqualified to purchase a gun. That sounds all well and good, until you realize that ANYONE could end up on the No Fly List for virtually any reason or no reason at all, and WORSE, there is no Due Process and no way to appeal against the decision after the fact! This is just one of countless examples of the disgusting overreach that the so called "Public Servants" of the Federal Government are guilty of (and this goes for both of the major Political Parties, just so we're clear).

The whole issue is just a damn mess, and while I personally would much rather have a population that is capable of defending themselves (Including it's most vulnerable members such as the Elderly & Physically Disabled neither of which could reasonably be expected to fight off a random thug, Burglar, etc in a fair fight), and are not at the mercy of corrupt Law Enforcement Agents or other Violent Unhinged people, I concede that as things currently are, it is up to individual state's how they decide to regulate the purchase and possession of weapons within their borders.

Bottom line, the issue is not so Black & White, and it is EXTREMELY naive to expect Gun Violence (or Violence in general) to cease if Guns were banned, confiscated, or whatever on a national level (Criminals don't care about the Law, they were never going to comply anyways). At least if law abiding citizens (AKA The majority of people) are able to obtain guns with as few obstacles as possible, then most people would at least stand a chance of defending themselves against their would be assailants (Whom again, were never going to abide by Anti Gun Laws anyways); Heck, even if one chooses to opt out of owning/possessing a gun under such a system (Myself for example because of depression), those people would still benefit from a sort of "Herd Immunity" So to speak, in that many gun owners choose to Conceal Carry, so without knowing who is carrying, the safest solution from the assailants POV would be not to take any chances (Or do and find out the hard way).

Just some food for thought.
 
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OMG!!! Here's a story i found where a 9 year old stabbed his 5 year old sister. Why are so many knives able to get into the hands of children? Why won't our governments ban these deadly weapons? Why??? Please think of the children. Damn you chefs of the world promoting the use of these evil assault weapons and you idiots who have knives in your homes. Shame!!! Shame!!!!

Please @ChibiMofo, calm down, take a deep breath and think rationally about this. The world is full of idiots who will kill others regardless of the tool to do so. If guns are banned, they'll use knives, hands, hammers, axes, vehicles, acid, poison................. I can go on.
Just remember that guns are not alive or self aware. They don't kill; only tools used to kill.
 
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OMG!!! Here's a story i found where a 9 year old stabbed his 5 year old sister. Why are so many knives able to get into the hands of children? Why won't our governments ban these deadly weapons? Why??? Please think of the children. Damn you chefs of the world promoting the use of these evil assault weapons and you idiots who have knives in your homes. Shame!!! Shame!!!!

Shhh! Don't give them any ideas

UK: Hold my beer

*Facepalms*
 

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Some people have been killed by a single punch - we should also ban people from having hands! In fact how many people die each year in road traffic accidents - should we also ban cars/trucks?

Banning stuff is just plain silly - people that are intent on killing others will just find another way to do it if guns were banned. The bottom line is that some people are just mental.
 

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Some people have been killed by a single punch - we should also ban people from having hands! In fact how many people die each year in road traffic accidents - should we also ban cars/trucks?.
well to be fair on both side, atleast dont compare hands with guns :P i mean, you can kill with anything obviously, but, a gun is made for this..

in the end the real issue is not necessarly the number of death by guns, but the fact that humans have access to them easely, allowing them to ''feel'' the possibility to kill if needed.. just having this way of thinking, is an issue.

i dont like saying that..but.. there are parts in my life when i cant imagine what i would have done if i have had a gun..pretty sure i would have kill myself or hurt someone.. Guns would be fine if people knew how to behave.
 

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This has nothing to do with the NRA or the "lenient" firearm laws. This was not her gun to use and she obviously had zero training with firearm usage/safety and no license to use this gun, or any gun for that matter. It disgusts me that people are going to sit here and defend some dumbass who thinks it's a good idea to steal someone else's gun, take pictures with said gun, and then to point the gun at a 10 year old child with her finger on the trigger. Yes, believe it or not, she did indeed point the gun at the child. The bullet did not magically bend space and then bounce off of every wall in the house and land directly in the boys stomach. A mentally well person would never even think of doing something like that. If you threw a mentally well person into a pool of guns and let them choose their gun of choice and do whatever they wanted without any consequences, I guarantee you none of them would even think about killing another human being. If they did think about killing another human being, then they're not mentally well.

Stop blaming guns for everything and start solving actual problems.
 

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The problem isn't that the person had a gun in their hand and assumed it wasn't loaded. The problem is the person wasn't educated in the ways of safety around firearms. Whether or not there is a firearm in someone's vicinity, everyone should be educated in how to safely and properly handle a firearm, as to avoid things like this. One, never leave firearms laying around IN THE OPEN! Two, if someone is going to handle a firearm, ensure they have proper education to ensure they know how to check if it's loaded or not, and unload it if they have no intent to use it.
 

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isn't there an age restriction at least for teens not to use guns unsupervised any smart person would lock in a gun vault with the ammo as for protection food for thought if your dog bites a burglar breaking into your house they would be quarantined regardless if the burglar is armed or not and if the dog killed the burglar they'll be put to sleep like if it mauled a bystander to death
 
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Ok. Hold your horses.

The idea in asking 'what are you doing' was to emphasize how unlikely the idea was to reach any productive or desired outcome with sharing a story like this.

Not to mobilize a bunch of people who then saw this as a threat to their beloved individual gun rights, took a cue - and started ridiculing even more.

My point was - that a story like this will never lead to political mobilization, not that it needs the entire friends of the NRA fraction in here to ensure that outcome.

If you've argued the initial position into the defensive already, dont kick people holding it around a bunch more, just for good meassure... I already dialed back on tone, because I felt bad, after venting, but Jesus - people, no one is taking away your manhood replacement toys over this.

And just for the record, not all gamers are gun nuts.
 
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.... to point the gun at a 10 year old child with her finger on the trigger. Yes, believe it or not, she did indeed point the gun at the child.


AND she pulled the trigger. No other explanation for the gun discharging. The gun was in her hand when it discharged, her finger was on the trigger, she applied pressure. They don't just just "go off."
 

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