Hacking USB LOADER GX is slow to list GameCube games

Welohabi · Feb 23, 2020

USB LOADER GX r1272 takes about 45 seconds to show my GameCube library. If I switch it to only show my Wii games it loads within 5 seconds and I have 2x more Wii games than GameCube games. It seems that it is only related to the GameCube games, everything else loads fine. It plays the games fine as well, just takes forever to show them in the list. It also repeats this loading time when exiting the settings menu while GameCube games are still selected to show. So it gets quite frustrating.

My HDD is a Portable 5TB WD Elements.
FAT32 / 64k Cluster (Showed incorrect size with 32k Cluster)
(I have tried a y-cable but it did not help the issue.)

I have my games in the folder like so:
"USB:/games/Zelda Wind Waker [GZLP01]/game.iso"

Also when trying to load GameCube games directly from nintendont instead of USB LOADER GX it takes about 5 minutes to show the list of games....

Any help would be appreciated. Thank you.

Alexander1970 · Feb 23, 2020

Welohabi said:
USB LOADER GX r1272 takes about 45 seconds to show my GameCube library. If I switch it to only show my Wii games it loads within 5 seconds and I have 2x more Wii games than GameCube games. It seems that it is only related to the GameCube games, everything else loads fine. It plays the games fine as well, just takes forever to show them in the list. It also repeats this loading time when exiting the settings menu while GameCube games are still selected to show. So it gets quite frustrating.

My HDD is a Portable 5TB WD Elements.
FAT32 / 64k Cluster (Showed incorrect size with 32k Cluster)
(I have tried a y-cable but it did not help the issue.)

I have my games in the folder like so:
"USB:/games/Zelda Wind Waker [GZLP01]/game.iso"

Also when trying to load GameCube games directly from nintendont instead of USB LOADER GX it takes about 5 minutes to show the list of games....

Any help would be appreciated. Thank you.

Hello.

How is the Behavior on Wii Games ?
Is your HDD partitioned ? And if yes how many Partitions are on it please ?
Is your HDD an MBR or GPT Drive ?

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Thank you.

Welohabi · Feb 24, 2020

alexander1970 said:
Hello.

How is the Behavior on Wii Games ?
Is your HDD partitioned ? And if yes how many Partitions are on it please ?
Is your HDD an MBR or GPT Drive ?
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Thank you.

Wii games work fine. They load within 5 seconds as long as "GameCube" is not selected.
Only one partition on my HDD.
MBR

Alexander1970 · Feb 24, 2020

Welohabi said:
Wii games work fine. They load within 5 seconds as long as "GameCube" is not selected.
Only one partition on my HDD.
MBR

Thank you.

How much GameCube Games are on your HDD please ?
Maybe it has to do with the Amount of it....

My Guess is it has to do with:

FAT32 / 64k Cluster (Showed incorrect size with 32k Cluster)

Welohabi · Feb 24, 2020

600+ Games
It reports the drive size incorrectly when using 32k clusters..... can it still be used that way?

Alexander1970 · Feb 24, 2020

Welohabi said:
600+ Games
It reports the drive size incorrectly when using 32k clusters..... can it still be used that way?

As I presumed....it is reported from Users,that for GameCube Games the Loading Times are sometimes very slow....
Depending on how much Games and which HDD is used.

Your HDD is only used for the Wii ? No maybe hidden Partitions created from Windows ?
Maybe try to re-format the HDD with an Tool like AOMEI Partition Assistant to "correct" the incorrect Size you mentioned.

Thank you.

In USBLoader GX there is a Setting maybe that helps you:

Global Settings > Hard Drive Settings > Sync FAT32 FS info.

And also if your HDD has maybe an Power Supply,that also helps and maybe works "better".

Welohabi · Feb 24, 2020

I have tried using a powered USB hub assuming it was a power issue, but that didn't change anything.
I have also tried using the Sync FAT32 FS Info .... It didn't seem to help

I will try reformatting the drive with the software you mentioned...

Alexander1970 · Feb 24, 2020

Welohabi said:
I have tried using a powered USB hub assuming it was a power issue, but that didn't change anything.
I have also tried using the Sync FAT32 FS Info .... It didn't seem to help

I will try reformatting the drive with the software you mentioned...

Ok,wish you good Luck.

Please remember only ONE Partition.
Nintendont always "search" for the First Partition.

Welohabi · Feb 28, 2020

I managed to reformat the drive to 32k clusters and it shows the correct size. Still loads GC games slowly. I have tried multiple different drives at this point, so I don't think it is a HDD issue. The one thing ive noticed is that if the drive is in NTFS format then it will load the game list within 5 seconds. Although you can't play GC games with nintedont without FAT32.

Alexander1970 · Feb 28, 2020

Welohabi said:
I managed to reformat the drive to 32k clusters and it shows the correct size. Still loads GC games slowly. I have tried multiple different drives at this point, so I don't think it is a HDD issue. The one thing ive noticed is that if the drive is in NTFS format then it will load the game list within 5 seconds. Although you can't play GC games with nintedont without FAT32.

Hello.

Thank you for your "Report".

Your HDD is still in "one" Piece ? I mean one Partition ?
Of course I think it is connected to the correct Port 0:

The slow GameCube loading has nothing to do with USBLoader GX.

Can you maybe please try:

- make an Folder "games" on the SD Card
- copy 8 --10 GameCube Games on it (of course with the suggested Folder/Gamenames).
- please try it with the unplugged HDD
- try to load the Games from SD Card to see it that method loads the Games faster.

If that is the Case,you mabye have no other choice to Split the HDD to 2 TB Partitons and format the First to FAT32.

Thank you for your Assistance.

Welohabi · Feb 28, 2020

I have placed about 35 GameCube games on my SD card. It loads them without issue.

I just don't understand how USB LOADER GX can list all the Wii games in 5-10 seconds, yet it takes 30 seconds to show a smaller list of GameCube games. I wonder if there is a difference in how GX finds or caches GameCube titles VS Wii titles.

Alexander1970 · Feb 28, 2020

Welohabi said:
I have placed about 35 GameCube games on my SD card. It loads them without issue.

I just don't understand how USB LOADER GX can list all the Wii games in 5-10 seconds, yet it takes 30 seconds to show a smaller list of GameCube games. I wonder if there is a difference in how GX finds or caches GameCube titles VS Wii titles.

Thank you.

That means the Covers too ? Are they located in the SD Card or HDD ?
Maybe it is a Cover Cache Issue....
Did you maybe set some Paths to the HDD ?
(Covers/Cheats and such Things)

How are Game Loading Times from NINTENDONT now please ?
From within USBLoader GX and from Homebrew Channel/Nintendont ?

Thank you.

Welohabi · Feb 28, 2020

All my covers are on my SD card. I only have games on my HDD.
Loading Times with Nintendont have always been way longer, something like 7-10 minutes from the HDD. I assume this is because it is actually opening and reading each individual title, where USB LOADER GX uses the ID in the folder name to speed things up.

I tested by placing 32 games on my SD card and the same 32 games on my 3TB and 5TB HDD's.
The SD card is noticeably faster than both HDD's for loading GameCube games in USBLOADER GX and Nintendont.
Although with only 32 games, even the HDD is loading within 5 seconds. The SD loading card is almost immediate.

Why is this only a problem for GameCube and not Wii games?

Alexander1970 · Feb 28, 2020

Welohabi said:
All my covers are on my SD card. I only have games on my HDD.
Loading Times with Nintendont have always been way longer, something like 7-10 minutes from the HDD. I assume this is because it is actually opening and reading each individual title, where USB LOADER GX uses the ID in the folder name to speed things up.

I tested by placing 32 games on my SD card and the same 32 games on my 3TB and 5TB HDD's.
The SD card is noticeably faster than both HDD's for loading GameCube games in USBLOADER GX and Nintendont.
Although with only 32 games, even the HDD is loading within 5 seconds. The SD loading card is almost immediate.

Why is this only a problem for GameCube and not Wii games?

Thank you.

Would you be so kind and post a sysCheck please ?
https://gbatemp.net/threads/posting-a-system-check.300279/

Only that we see there are no "anomalies" with the Wiii ´s Softmod itself.

Thank you.

Welohabi · Feb 29, 2020

SysCheck HDE v2.4.0 HacksDen Edition by JoostinOnline Double_A R2-D2199 and Nano
...runs on IOS58 (rev 6176).
Region: NTSC-U
System Menu 4.3U (v513)
Priiloader installed
Drive date: 02.13.2007
Homebrew Channel 1.1.2 running on IOS58
Hollywood v0x11
Console ID: 116697756
Console Type: Wii
Shop Channel Country: United States (49)
Boot2 v4
Found 192 titles.
Found 50 IOS on this console. 15 of them are stubs.
IOS3 (rev 65280): Stub
IOS4 (rev 65280): Stub
IOS9 (rev 1034): No Patches
IOS10 (rev 768): Stub
IOS11 (rev 256): Stub
IOS12 (rev 526): No Patches
IOS13 (rev 1032): No Patches
IOS14 (rev 1032): No Patches
IOS15 (rev 1032): No Patches
IOS16 (rev 512): Stub
IOS17 (rev 1032): No Patches
IOS20 (rev 256): Stub
IOS21 (rev 1039): No Patches
IOS22 (rev 1294): No Patches
IOS28 (rev 1807): No Patches
IOS30 (rev 2816): Stub
IOS31 (rev 3608): No Patches
IOS33 (rev 3608): No Patches
IOS34 (rev 3608): No Patches
IOS35 (rev 3608): No Patches
IOS36 (rev 65535): Trucha Bug ES Identify NAND Access
IOS37 (rev 5663): No Patches
IOS38 (rev 4124): No Patches
IOS40 (rev 3072): Stub
IOS41 (rev 3607): No Patches
IOS43 (rev 3607): No Patches
IOS45 (rev 3607): No Patches
IOS46 (rev 3607): No Patches
IOS48 (rev 4124): No Patches
IOS50 (rev 5120): Stub
IOS51 (rev 4864): Stub
IOS52 (rev 5888): Stub
IOS53 (rev 5663): No Patches
IOS55 (rev 5663): No Patches
IOS56 (rev 5662): No Patches
IOS57 (rev 5919): No Patches
IOS58 (rev 6176): USB 2.0
IOS60 (rev 6400): Stub
IOS61 (rev 5662): No Patches
IOS70 (rev 6912): Stub
IOS80 (rev 6944): Trucha Bug NAND Access
IOS222 (rev 65280): Stub
IOS223 (rev 65280): Stub
IOS224[57] (rev 65535 Info: hermes-5.1): Trucha Bug NAND Access USB 2.0
IOS236 (rev 65535): Trucha Bug ES Identify NAND Access
IOS248[55] (rev 20 Info: rev 20): Trucha Bug NAND Access USB 2.0
IOS249[56] (rev 65535 Info: d2x-v10beta52): Trucha Bug NAND Access USB 2.0
IOS250[57] (rev 65535 Info: d2x-v10beta52): Trucha Bug NAND Access USB 2.0
IOS251[58] (rev 65535 Info: d2x-v10beta52): Trucha Bug NAND Access USB 2.0
IOS254 (rev 65281): BootMii
BC v6
MIOS v10
Report generated on 02/28/2020.

Alexander1970 · Feb 29, 2020

Welohabi said:
SysCheck HDE v2.4.0 HacksDen Edition by JoostinOnline Double_A R2-D2199 and Nano
...runs on IOS58 (rev 6176).
Region: NTSC-U
System Menu 4.3U (v513)
Priiloader installed
Drive date: 02.13.2007
Homebrew Channel 1.1.2 running on IOS58
Hollywood v0x11
Console ID: 116697756
Console Type: Wii
Shop Channel Country: United States (49)
Boot2 v4
Found 192 titles.
Found 50 IOS on this console. 15 of them are stubs.
IOS3 (rev 65280): Stub
IOS4 (rev 65280): Stub
IOS9 (rev 1034): No Patches
IOS10 (rev 768): Stub
IOS11 (rev 256): Stub
IOS12 (rev 526): No Patches
IOS13 (rev 1032): No Patches
IOS14 (rev 1032): No Patches
IOS15 (rev 1032): No Patches
IOS16 (rev 512): Stub
IOS17 (rev 1032): No Patches
IOS20 (rev 256): Stub
IOS21 (rev 1039): No Patches
IOS22 (rev 1294): No Patches
IOS28 (rev 1807): No Patches
IOS30 (rev 2816): Stub
IOS31 (rev 3608): No Patches
IOS33 (rev 3608): No Patches
IOS34 (rev 3608): No Patches
IOS35 (rev 3608): No Patches
IOS36 (rev 65535): Trucha Bug ES Identify NAND Access
IOS37 (rev 5663): No Patches
IOS38 (rev 4124): No Patches
IOS40 (rev 3072): Stub
IOS41 (rev 3607): No Patches
IOS43 (rev 3607): No Patches
IOS45 (rev 3607): No Patches
IOS46 (rev 3607): No Patches
IOS48 (rev 4124): No Patches
IOS50 (rev 5120): Stub
IOS51 (rev 4864): Stub
IOS52 (rev 5888): Stub
IOS53 (rev 5663): No Patches
IOS55 (rev 5663): No Patches
IOS56 (rev 5662): No Patches
IOS57 (rev 5919): No Patches
IOS58 (rev 6176): USB 2.0
IOS60 (rev 6400): Stub
IOS61 (rev 5662): No Patches
IOS70 (rev 6912): Stub
IOS80 (rev 6944): Trucha Bug NAND Access
IOS222 (rev 65280): Stub
IOS223 (rev 65280): Stub
IOS224[57] (rev 65535 Info: hermes-5.1): Trucha Bug NAND Access USB 2.0
IOS236 (rev 65535): Trucha Bug ES Identify NAND Access
IOS248[55] (rev 20 Info: rev 20): Trucha Bug NAND Access USB 2.0
IOS249[56] (rev 65535 Info: d2x-v10beta52): Trucha Bug NAND Access USB 2.0
IOS250[57] (rev 65535 Info: d2x-v10beta52): Trucha Bug NAND Access USB 2.0
IOS251[58] (rev 65535 Info: d2x-v10beta52): Trucha Bug NAND Access USB 2.0
IOS254 (rev 65281): BootMii
BC v6
MIOS v10
Report generated on 02/28/2020.

Thank you.
I really appreciate your Help.

The good News:
Your sysCheck is good,nothing to report.

i completely forget to ask:

Which VERSION of Nintendont did you use please ?
Please be sure you are on the latest Version v6.489.
Did you maybe have an GameCube Memory Card attached ?

For your Issue:

Can you maybe try an older,smaller HDD - 120-500 GB in Size if possible please ?
Please share your Results if you be so kind.

For your HDD:
I only can "recommend" you,please try the "splitting" to 2 2TB Partitions Strategy.

Please note this Points:
- HDD is initialized as MBR Drive in Windows
- First Partition MUST FAT32 otherwise Nintendont can not find any Games
- Please Load the Games ONLY with Nintendont from the Homebrew Channel or via Channel Forwarder

Good Luck.
Thank you for your Patience again.

Welohabi · Feb 29, 2020

I was using Nintendont v5.486, updating to v6.489 did not fix my issues.
No GameCube memory card.

300GB HDD MBR FAT32 1 Partion with 220 GameCube games / Same result on a smaller scale because of the smaller amount of games, takes 8-13 seconds on initial load.

Nintendont still takes waaay longer than USB LOADER GX.

Alexander1970 · Feb 29, 2020

Welohabi said:
I was using Nintendont v5.486, updating to v6.489 did not fix my issues.
No GameCube memory card.

300GB HDD MBR FAT32 1 Partion with 220 GameCube games / Same result on a smaller scale because of the smaller amount of games, takes 8-13 seconds on initial load.

Nintendont still takes waaay longer than USB LOADER GX.

Thank you.

Which Format did your GameCube Games have please ?
Are they maybe compressed ?

Welohabi · Feb 29, 2020

.iso format
They are not compressed.

Alexander1970 · Feb 29, 2020

Welohabi said:
.iso format
They are not compressed.

Thank you.

Would you please be so kind and post a Screenshot from your Nintendont Settings ?
Please boot NINTENDONT from the Homebrew Channel not from within USBLoader GX please !

Also:

I have tried a few GameCube Games and it takes

- around 30 Seconds to load a Game from within USBLoader GX
- around 20-25 Seconds to load a Game from Nintendont directly

But I have the GameCube IPL enabled.

Thank you.

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