Grand Theft Auto IV has been delisted from Steam

Mythical · Jan 12, 2020

TechProYT said:
Steam IS Gonna die soon

Steam is NOT gonna die soon.
Anyone who thinks so needs to just keep thinking
Also not really relevent as this was one game delisting presumably done independant of steam in general

mathew77 · Jan 12, 2020

The only and the one respected source where noone can delist anything is the almighty torrent.

urbanman2004 · Jan 12, 2020

Glad that I bought it years ago

kumikochan · Jan 12, 2020

It's a 100 percent clear what the reason is and that is with the launch of their own launcher that they want people to only buy games future wise through that where they are in complete control. How did most tech channels, game channels and websites not see that reasoning whatsoever. They already said all future games will be exclusive through their own launcher. Use your heads people

urbanman2004 · Jan 12, 2020

The Real Jdbye said:
Worth noting for those who haven't picked it up yet and now suddenly regret not doing so, that you'll most likely be able to find it on key sites like G2A for the foreseeable future, so you still have options. Even if the legitimacy of the keys on G2A is questionable I've never had any issues with them and often buy games there if it's something I want to try out, but not enough to pay what Steam is asking.

I prefer cdkeys instead which is my go-to, and I've never had any issues using their site, although skeptics consider their titles grey market: https://www.cdkeys.com/pc/games/grand-theft-auto-iv-4-complete-edition-pc-cd-key-steam

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kumikochan said:
It's a 100 percent clear what the reason is and that is with the launch of their own launcher that they want people to only buy games future wise through that where they are in complete control. How did most tech channels, game channels and websites not see that reasoning whatsoever.

Good point

kumikochan · Jan 12, 2020

urbanman2004 said:
I prefer cdkeys instead which is my go-to, and I've never had any issues using their site, although skeptics consider their titles grey market: https://www.cdkeys.com/pc/games/grand-theft-auto-iv-4-complete-edition-pc-cd-key-steam

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Good point

You should use allkeyshop. It lists the cheapest prices through all those websites. That way you'll always have the best price

urbanman2004 · Jan 12, 2020

I just looked at my bookmarks and I already have it 'Favorited' for MGS5 after its release (2015/08/15), but I think stopped referring to the site b/c at the time it excluded sites like cdkeys, however, I did notice at the moment that cdkeys is included now so thanks.

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I know this comment may be off-topic, but does any know of any CEMU guides available on this forum? I just built myself a Ryzen 3700X rig last month and want to give CEMU a try. I've tried going to the Wii U section to locate one as well as search w/ the keywords CEMU, but to no avail.

Found it: https://gbatemp.net/forums/wii-u-emulation-cemu.280/

Agret · Jan 13, 2020

mathew77 said:
The only and the one respected source where noone can delist anything is the almighty torrent.

This is not true, once people stop seeding it the torrents will die. It is very hard to find older content on torrents these days. Most recently I was trying to download the old crysis2 beta development leak which I found the original version but couldn't find the versions where people have fixed some things and added extra maps to it. I have Crysis 2 on Steam but it's interesting to me to go back and look at how it was during early development and the work the community did on that version. Multiplayer has also been gone on Crysis 2 PC since Gamespy shutdown and it has no LAN option whereas the leaked beta did have that option.

Anxiety_timmy · Jan 13, 2020

somethings wrong, I can feel it

Xzi · Jan 13, 2020

FAST6191 said:
Only one time sell on codes. Fuck that. Just fuck that -- if I have something I can resell it.

Codes can be redeemed only once, they can be re-sold in code form as many times as you like. That's the way it's always been since digital distribution was first introduced.

FAST6191 said:
Also I fail to see how it keeps prices low.

It's also possible that resale after redemption could cause the opposite, massive devaluation, at least for existing titles. Suddenly there are infinite pristine copies of any given game out there, each able to be resold an infinite number of times. Now even the best games aren't worth more than it costs to store them on an HDD, roughly $0.01 to $0.02 each, much like the Steam trading card market. Assuming the entire games industry doesn't crash as a result, publishers and developers would likely respond by pricing brand new titles considerably higher, and rarely put them on sale (if ever).

It's an interesting thought experiment to be sure, but my conclusion is that there's a good reason no such resale market exists for any sort of proprietary digital media (movies, music, ebooks, etc). If we're going to throw out the entire concept of supply and demand, we might as well throw out of the concept of capitalism as well. Which I'm certainly open to, but let's start by removing the profit motive from things like the healthcare and housing industries first. Artists play a much more valuable role in our society than landlords, certainly.

isoboy · Jan 13, 2020

Why do some keep mentioning the epic game store now that Rockstar have their own launcher?

FAST6191 · Jan 13, 2020

Xzi said:
Codes can be redeemed only once, they can be re-sold in code form as many times as you like. That's the way it's always been since digital distribution was first introduced.

It's also possible that resale after redemption could cause the opposite, massive devaluation, at least for existing titles. Suddenly there are infinite pristine copies of any given game out there, each able to be resold an infinite number of times. Now even the best games aren't worth more than it costs to store them on an HDD, roughly $0.01 to $0.02 each, much like the Steam trading card market. Assuming the entire games industry doesn't crash as a result, publishers and developers would likely respond by pricing brand new titles considerably higher, and rarely put them on sale (if ever).

It's an interesting thought experiment to be sure, but my conclusion is that there's a good reason no such resale market exists for any sort of proprietary digital media (movies, music, ebooks, etc). If we're going to throw out the entire concept of supply and demand, we might as well throw out of the concept of capitalism as well. Which I'm certainly open to, but let's start by removing the profit motive from things like the healthcare and housing industries first. Artists play a much more valuable role in our society than landlords, certainly.

And I have considered that a thorough stitch up since it was introduced, though I would look at some things that allow a measure of redistribution. It is a complete artificial hurdle.

It is not infinite and the second hand market has had pristine copies of games for decades, longer if we are going to loop in music and books (I have books older than present copyright that read like they are new, and that is nothing special). I fail to see why downloadable resale would lead to crash any more than my having more than school/work/clubs, the local paper and an advertisment board in the supermarket also led to a crash.

mathew77 · Jan 13, 2020

Agret said:
It is very hard to find older content on torrents

You just don't know the right places to find, then.

FAST6191 · Jan 13, 2020

mathew77 said:
You just don't know the right places to find, then.

In some sense that does mean it is harder. I have also wondered about what goes for the less well known titles

https://web.archive.org/web/20180920175549/http://www.abgx.net/xbox_releases_date.txt
Original xbox. Fairly popular at the time, mega popular homebrew/warez scene that in some way set the stage for all things to come/live up to.
How hard would it be to find something like 2003-11-01 Harry_Potter_Quidditch_World_Cup_NTSC_FRENCH_DVDRiP_XBOX-DAMAGE , or even a functional equivalent if the rips are not enough. Would the same site yield 2003-11-16 Il_Signore_Degli_Anelli_Ritorno_Del_Re_PAL_ITA_XBOX-XtreaM ?

Danker301090 · Jan 13, 2020

It's been confirmed that GFW is the apparent cause for steam removal. Luckily i own both steam and physical means.

AmandaRose · Jan 13, 2020

Danker301090 said:
It's been confirmed that GFW is the apparent cause for steam removal. Luckily i own both steam and physical means.

Yep Grand Theft Auto IV was originally created for the Games For Windows Live platform. With Microsoft no longer supporting Games For Windows Live, it is no longer possible to generate the additional keys needed to continue selling the current version of the game.

diggeloid · Jan 13, 2020

Good thing Valve doesn't let publishers remove games from your library since I actually love GTAIV and still play it occasionally.

I wonder if this has to do with them launching their own version of Origin/Uplay?

Lumstar · Jan 13, 2020

AmandaRose said:
Yep Grand Theft Auto IV was originally created for the Games For Windows Live platform. With Microsoft no longer supporting Games For Windows Live, it is no longer possible to generate the additional keys needed to continue selling the current version of the game.

Hmm. Other Games For Windows Live games remain for sale on Steam.

In something of a PR blunder, Microsoft retracted their original claim they'd shut down the service in 2014. Here we are five years later and they've yet to confirm a new closure date.

pcwizard7 · Jan 15, 2020

reports say it because games for windows live is no longer supported and the game relies on it too much. so they prob going to patch it out and put it back or on their own launcher store

I wonder if games like fallout 3 are next since it's in the same boat and it won't boot without it unless u patch it out urself of course

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