When does your personal mental cutoff for "old games" begin? Do you have an end date as well?

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"old consoles like the N64" and "my parents used to play Resident Evil" are but two examples of phrases that have made me think "wow I am old" when doing the rounds of the forums over the years. In my case I had been playing games for a long time before the predecessors of the consoles in question were even industry rumours. This often leads to people maybe knowing about games from "back then" (wherever that may be) but seldom having lived it and lumping/blurring all things before then together in their heads, despite the massive changes that any would be student of the art in question will tell you about. If games are hard to conceptualise this for then maybe think what you think of as old music, or old films, and then consider that you can likely find hours of long form documentaries detailing the importance of maybe 5 years (or just one band) wherein something like jazz and blues formed, or rock and roll, punk, metal (and divisions thereof), hip hop and more besides. Coincidentally 5 years is also about the average length of a console generation. Modern historians of any field will also consider living memory as part of their work, and while they tends to refer the world as a whole there are offshoots.

On the flip side I have met the opposite side of things where people might not have fallen out of gaming, but fallen out of current gaming. Now my misgivings with the current generation of consoles formed the basis of a previous entry in this series but it does also mean that while I was very current with the xbox 360 and DS (often writing up and discussing new releases as they dropped) I am rather less familiar with the order of releases (or indeed no releases worth considering) for the PS4, xbone, 3ds and beyond. Now I contend that is for good reason and that things today are plenty recognisable but don't do it that well, probably by virtue of bad monetisation schemes, but the effects are still the same. I have seen others that fell out during the PS2, but still retain a seemingly encyclopaedic knowledge of 8 and 16 bit consoles, even the more obscure ones. Do you have something similar, or maybe just a gap somewhere?

Assuming you are not old enough to remember the first game (and are also willing to forgo the electromechanical debate) then when do your memories of games start, and when do they start to be fairly crystallised with respect to time (this came after that, this led to that, this paved the way for...)? One also wonders how it might play out as not everybody got gaming magazines or TV shows, or possibly cared about such things, and thus while technical release dates are one thing if you never got it before the next year (or maybe if you are in a PAL region you might only just be getting it).

In my case in addition to the lack of current stuff above then the commodore 64 is probably fairly in order, and while I played many things on a bbc micro, vic20 and whatever else (I was doing retro before it was cool, mainly because it was cheap and things still played well enough) they are all "old games" in my head. The NES I can do reasonably well but it would be the 16 bit era before I can recount releases. PS1 on through the 360 is all very clear. Being very much PAL bound before the N64 (and even then that was but a handful of games with an adapter) it will also be very PAL, or indeed UK, centric. Some of this is likely also changed or informed by my tendency to go for second hand games when they get cheaper, or indeed after consoles have died and we are onto the next.

Or to finish the "wow I am old thing" then if you are 18 today it is quite possible your hand me down console you got at say 5 or 6 (so 2006, the xbox 360 having already been released and seeing the release of the Wii and PS3) was a PS2 and everything before that might be expected to be from the before times. If you were from a richer family, or just starting out, said 18 year old might well have started with a PS3, 360 or Wii.

This is part of a discussion series wherein we contemplate things about games, be it concepts, individual games, the industry at large, mechanics or the gaming culture at large. Previously we discussed games and media franchises you know mostly from offbeat and forgotten sources.

 

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I have nes/snes/GB/GBC/GBA/Dreamcast/PSX/PS1/PS2/psp/psvita/3ds/ds/Gamecube/Wii/Wiiu/ x360 and ofc the latest consoles except xbox one since it's useless and except xbox 1 cuz no emulator
Any any re-released games that maybe from older systems on the switch.
 

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I never really gamed a lot when I was younger, sure i had games but i never really played them to the point of them feeling old, and since i never owned a lot of systems (for example, i only just got myself a wii-u despite it being 7 years old) I wouldn't say i have a mental cutoff as i never really gamed much in the first place.
 

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started with gbc and n64, i played snes at a friends house but i never played any nes or know anyone that had one so meh the only thing i remenber from snes was mario all star collection, street fighter and contra 3 i dont think my friend had any more games either xD
 

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For me, old games are ones I've played to death. Since I started on ones like Zork Nemesis and Pong, both of which I love, NES and Snes era were skipped by me playing PC games CIV, etc... before returning to consoles after those. Never really got into Arcade games after Pinball, which I adored, still do. With the earlier exception of Tempest.
 

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I started with NES but I consider old games anything before the last generation of games. So Original Xbox, Wii, PS2 are old games to me. It's also getting to the point where even last gen feels old to me. I mean remasters are coming out for games that were last gen for some reason.
 

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For me i consider 3 stages, from 5th generation to 7th is comtemporary, third to forth is classic, and before that for me is like prehistory, for me is a must to at least play some games from each generation to really apreciate the industry, you can't call yourself a gamer if you just play the newest games or just the classic ones, is impossible to like everything but at least your knowledge will be better.
 

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I would consider Gamecube, PS2, and original XBOX, as well as Win XP PC games as definitively old, and Wii, PS3, XBOX 360, and Win 7 as borderline old.
 

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This is a tough one to call... I tried playing Medal of Honour for the PSX recently, remembering how great a game it was. Instant regret, I don't know how we ever managed to play FPS's without dual analogue sticks for direction and movement. That game instantly felt a lot older for me...
 

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For me it's anything before HDMI, although with component only (i.e. Wii) being at least somewhat new. Anything older is definitely old as the picture is blurry, it requires CRT, the controllers tend to use only one joystick at most, and there's basically no games that hold up today.

Handheld wise, GBA SP is the first system with backlight and first that's rechargeable, so in that sense it is a modern handheld and everything beyond that point is modern as well. But it started off using batteries and you had to be outside to use the screen. Because of that it's hard to think of GBA in general as being new, the SP was merely a patch. DS is the first that started out "modern". Therefore everything before 7th gen is old.

It's interesting to consider though the DSL has a GBA slot, the same slot used since the original GB. So in a way DSL exists on a direct timeline with GB on one end and DSL on the other, with DSi (a 3DS precursor) finally ending it and ushering in the true modern age. DSI uses the new charger as well, which is another key factor. I've spent hours these past few days on ebay looking at DS/3DS models. In that time many cases I saw a good price on a DSL and thought about getting one, but knowing that it uses a separate charger, it makes little practical sense. I might soon own multiple DSi's, 3DS's, 2DS's and XL's and it's very good that I can use a single charger for all of them.
 
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This is a tough one to call... I tried playing Medal of Honour for the PSX recently, remembering how great a game it was. Instant regret, I don't know how we ever managed to play FPS's without dual analogue sticks for direction and movement. That game instantly felt a lot older for me...
I had that about 5 years after the fact, never mind today.

To further my general gushing about Perfect Dark I did notice when I got the XBLA version that my general movements were geared around analogue+sidestep from the N64 and some the levels really seemed to favour it too, and while I eventually adapted somewhat (again I still think the game, especially its multiplayer, has many many things that today's games could do to learn/relearn/out and out copy) the was still a nag. A various points I did also fire up my N64 and try to play it, and while it being a slideshow rendered it basically unplayable for me as a game I still noted the controls as having something to it. All this is to say mouse and keyboard or dual analogues might not be the only way for somewhat modern approaches (while medal of honor might be clunky it was noted as being fairly clunky at the time*, doom clones still work reasonably well though if you can ignore the verticality thing).

*I don't know how many reviews of the time made their way online, much less remain there to this day, but how many were looking at the "you don't just shoot everything that moves" aspects along with the graphical design (tone might be a better word) of it all (though probably not the quality of graphics, even then the PS1 was far from a powerhouse).
 

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cutoff for what you consider too old to enjoy and play?

That.

Some games lend themselves well to the tech of the era and updated hardware wouldn't revolutionize that game play type. Some were pioneers and "were" great but have been surpassed.

For example side-scrolling Megaman games vs side scrollers of today (they just look better mostly) and 3d microcomputer racing games late 70s-80s vs today (world of difference).

Depends on the genre of game.
 
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Anything pre dos. I grew up playing windows / dos games which were lying around on floppy's / demo disks. also my first handheld was the gba, which I played gbc games on sometimes.

The more I think about this question, the less sure I am about what you mean though. I don't consider any games too old to play, but for the most part - games have improved over the years.
The only genre I can think of that has not really gotten far is management games, roller coaster tycoon is still the best one ever made imo, please let me know if you have any favorites better than this.
 

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I count myself lucky that I have experienced 8bit to modern gaming. Children today will never know what means to have played Super Mario 64 (etc) when it was new. On the other hand, the amount of games I had was relatively small (availability; costs).
 

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The only genre I can think of that has not really gotten far is management games, roller coaster tycoon is still the best one ever made imo, please let me know if you have any favorites better than this.

The tech was good enough then that the game-play is not going to be revolutionized by just the addition of the tech we have now. RCT2 forever
 
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Just about anything before the [PLATFORM=/platform/snes]Super Nintendo Entertainment System (SNES)[/PLATFORM] . The only [PLATFORM=/platform/nes]Nintendo Entertainment System (NES)[/PLATFORM] game that I can remember thoroughly enjoying is [GAME=/game/super-mario-bros.358]Super Mario Bros.[/GAME] , but I've found SNES to be much more tolerable.

I'm glad I played [GAME=/game/metroid-zero-mission.1107]Metroid: Zero Mission[/GAME] rather than [GAME=/game/metroid.1101]Metroid[/GAME], as I just can't get into that one, despite being a Metroid fan.
The Super Mario Bros. Trilogy is pretty good.
1 is iconic, but not that good.
2 is weird, but good.
3 is amazing.
 
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I can clearly remember going on Teletext to look up game charts for the BBC Micro (for some reason the number one game was always Steve Davis Snooker). Most games were £1.99 to £2.99 for budget and £9.99 for full price. My actual Beeb from 1983 is sitting right next to me and works fine still. Next to that is an Atari ST and a couple of Amiga's. I probably did most of my gaming hours in those two generations and can still jump right back in without missing a beat.

For me, anything after the 16-bit era is new.
 

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To each his own

But 3d polygon based games that start to really show their age become difficult to play for me because it no longer feels immersive and that connection is lost ,as far as older 2d style games that are still being copied today as a standard of what to do should be a history lesson to future gamers ,that love for that style which was abandoned at one point for 3d has life again and are really amazing because they are no longer limited because of cartridge space we can thank all this to retro gaming

Now if someone can remake that god awful Transformers game on the NES I might be able to want to play it again
 

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Begun with NES back in mid to late 80s. So, for me, while 'retro' is anything before 1999, I only consider 'old' (or unplayable) games those before early 80s. I cannot bring myself to play text adventures, for example; or the old Ataris. But I still happily play just about any good game released after 1983 or so.
 
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