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God Fuckin' dammit, this is Russia Gate all over again and the mental gymnastics on that one was crazy.

If they had a case to begin with they vote have voted to impeach already. They've delayed the vote and their prior two votes related to other issues they tried to impeach Trump with this entire premeditated mess have previously failed. They need to just impeach him already, but that's not looking like what they want to do. Seems they want to drag it out a bit because they know damned well if they do impeach him in the house it'll get nowhere in the senate. They're going to lose no matter what they do - so why not try to use losing to their advantage in a desperate attempt to further destroy Trump's image to get more votes.

Hey, it's Halloween and my nephew asked me to tell him a ghost story. I told him that every four years in our Presidential elections dead people come to life and vote democrat. He got really scared. I think it was a very profound and true ghost story.
 
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God Fuckin' dammit, this is Russia Gate all over again and the mental gymnastics on that one was crazy.
Oh, Russia Gate is not over, yet. The liberal media still brings it up while a ton of liberals still believe Trump colluded with Russia.
On top of that, it might fire back up in reverse after the FISA abuse report is released. I feel that a lot of democrats involved in that scandal will be very sad after it is out.
 

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If they had a case to begin with they vote have voted to impeach already. They've delayed the vote and their prior two votes related to other issues they tried to impeach Trump with this entire premeditated mess have previously failed. They need to just impeach him already, but that's not looking like what they want to do. Seems they want to drag it out a bit because they know damned well if they do impeach him in the house it'll get nowhere in the senate. They're going to lose no matter what they do - so why not try to use losing to their advantage in a desperate attempt to further destroy Trump's image to get more votes.

Hey, it's Halloween and my nephew asked me to tell him a ghost story. I told him that every four years in our Presidential elections dead people come to life and vote democrat. He got really scared. I think it was a very profound and true ghost story.
All of this impeachment was on this 1 unnamed whistle blower, this one guy. That's their evidence? What about all the people the denied it, so just ignore them?
 
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All of this impeachment was on this 1 unnamed whistle blower, this one guy. That's their evidence?

Who happened to overhear two people talking about something that they overheard ...

Reminds of that one time this random kid at school overheard two girls saying that they heard that one of their friends was into me and then run right to me to tell me "all about it".
 
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Who happened to overhear two people talking about something that they overheard ...

Reminds of that one time this random kid at school overheard two girls saying that they heard that one of their friends was into me and then run right to me to tell me "all about it".
It's the same thing they did with Russia gate. The whole telephone game thing, with anonymous source. I pointed pointed out what was wrong with that the first time around, you would think they learned by now.
 

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Can I please run this site for a day, so I can just flat out ban the small handful of complete *explative* here? I don't know why I even bother commenting on this nonsense. Some of the stuff I read is the biggest crock of delusional *explative* I've seen. Let the piece of shit win again, I really don't care because it will be 4 more years, then he's gone. C'ya. Buh-bye now. Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. And there's nothing the *explatives* will be able to do about it.

Such an impressive moral compass this administration has - we should all be so proud. All these new loopholes, rules, and power grabs will one day benefit a Democrat president - and the outcry from conservatives will be so enjoyable. Leave it to Trump to need to find a loophole in order to get cabinet members. Yup. So much winning.
 
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You can expect this to drag on now for many months right up to the election. That’s all this is about anyway. It’s not about proving anything, they just want the daily mud-dragging for their election campaign.
Democrats want public hearings to start this month (now that we're in November). Ultimately it'll be up to McConnell to decide how long he wants to delay before he holds trial in the Senate.

The actual transcript of the conversation was released like a month ago and there is nothing about an illegal quid pro quo, Trump pressuring to investigate Biden's son or Trump withholding money. Why is there still even threads talking about impeachment.
Several people (at least four not counting the initial whistleblower) have testified that there very clearly was quid pro quo in the language used before and during the phone call, including at least one person who was listening in on the call live. Additionally, there has been testimony that the transcript released by the White House has some inaccuracies/omissions.
 
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You can expect this to drag on now for many months right up to the election. That’s all this is about anyway. It’s not about proving anything, they just want the daily mud-dragging for their election campaign. It’s exactly what Alexander Hamilton warned about re: the impeachment process, i.e. using the process.

I don’t really expect the House to vote this over to the Senate until just before the election. That way they get the most political damage.
Dude... Earlier you were saying that it's scandalous that they're doing the testification behind closed doors. Now that it's out in the open you're complaining that it's not behind closed doors anymore.

The scary thing is that it's not just you but seems to be the entire republican party. Last week we got a bunch of Republicans bathing in doors and demanding things to be out in the open, and now it comes to the vote exactly zero Republicans voted for that.

... But I've got a confession to make as well. Earlier, I suggested that it could very well be Republicans leaking what's been said behind closed doors. I no longer believe that. The reason : Republicans don't give a damn about their president getting impeached or not.

Check out this link :
It's a republican making all sorts of allegations on Vindman but didn't even bother to question him even though he had the chance. Fucker didn't even bother to attend. So no... That "were acting like the 300" was a shameful display of hypocrisy because the truth is they just want to delay and spin. If things weren't leaked they would have acted surprised about what was said causing further delays... And act as if that delay wasn't their fault.

I wish that was surreal enough, but I've got two more insane things :
1) Republicans comparing the process layed out in the constitution with Soviet Russia. Can we at least agree that that was a move made by someone who doesn't give a damn about the founding fathers?
2) Tim Morrison's suggesting that the entire deal was an act of Sondland acting alone. By itself it doesn't surprise me one bit (some Trump fans probably believe that Cohen wanted to build his own Trump tower in Russia). But there are already too many holes in that story to make sense. The transcript, Mulvany 's on air admitting, Giuliany' s involvement,... It's not So nl and acting on his own. It's a start of a defense, I'll give you that. But it's a conspiracy theory, that's all.
 

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Love how everyone so far that is in favor of not impeaching trump is using obscure sources that really lack any evidence.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/townhall/ here's a nice resource.
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-daily-wire/
oh and just incase people thought that the daily wire is credible. Have fun with snopes.
https://www.snopes.com/tag/daily-wire/
Not to sound rude, but your own source is hardly credible.
The Columbia Journalism Review describes Media Bias/Fact Check as an amateur attempt at categorizing media bias and Van Zandt as an "armchair media analyst." Van Zandt describes himself as someone with "more than 20 years as an arm chair researcher on media bias and its role in political influence." The Poynter Institute notes, "Media Bias/Fact Check is a widely cited source for news stories and even studies about misinformation, despite the fact that its method is in no way scientific."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_Bias/Fact_Check
Just because a source is often quoted doesn't necessarily make it good. As for The Daily Wire, the fact that it's a biased source is not exactly a secret - Shapiro himself often mentions that him and his outlet have a conservative bias - Snopes didn't crack the code on this one.
*Charming post that is tolerant of opposing points of view.*

I would also like to underline that discussions in this section are supposed to be civil. If users in this thread are unable to participate in a discussion without resorting to the use of explatives and threats, perhaps it's time to step back for a moment, take a breath of fresh air and re-evaluate things before clicking the Reply button.
 
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*Snip!*

Democrats want public hearings to start this month (now that we're in November).
Democrats do not want "public hearings". They only agreed to this because they wanted to appease the public due to the major outcry. They don't want any of the testimonies from the people going against their agenda from getting out. That's why they put a gag order on all the republicans during their basement witch trials.

Several people (at least four not counting the initial whistleblower) have testified that there very clearly was quid pro quo in the language used before and during the phone call, including at least one person who was listening in on the call live.
You do only get your information from Radical Russia Hoax Rachel Maddow, I knew it! I guess you didn't read the actual transcript yourself or hear about the many other people who claimed there was nothing "illegal" about that call.
Even the boss of that "one person" you mentioned said, after the call itself, that he didn't hear anything illegal in the call and even had the call analyzed by the dept that looks at all foreign conversations that didn't find anything wrong in the entire call themselves.
I guess you can just keep listening to the liberal media only if you enjoy being lied to and left in the dark. "Ignorance is bliss" as they say.
Edit: "I want to be clear, I was not concerned that anything illegal was discussed," Morrison said, according to his opening statement. He also said he was not aware of any meaningful material being left out of the White House’s memo on the call.

Additionally, there has been testimony that the transcript released by the White House has some inaccuracies/omissions.
This has been known since day one. They had to take out the "classified" portions that the public doesn't need to know. Again, the people who listened into the call didn't see anything wrong with anything said on that call. Only the people with second hand knowledge seem to have any problems with it.

Last week we got a bunch of Republicans bathing in doors and demanding things to be out in the open
Would you prefer they bathe outdoors? I would rather they keep that inside.

That "were acting like the 300" was a shameful display of hypocrisy because the truth is they just want to delay and spin.
This sounds like a Liberal News talking point. Do you and @Xzi have CNN watch parties? Please don't invite me.
I guess you don't remember or know about when the House democrats had their little "sit in" during the first 2 years of this admin in order to get a vote on gun control when they were the minority. They were like little babies refusing to leave until they got their bottles and took a nap.

If things weren't leaked they would have acted surprised about what was said causing further delays... And act as if that delay wasn't their fault.
If things were leaked, they would know more of what they already knew.... that there was nothing wrong or illegal about that phone call. We all have access to the transcript so just read it for yourself. No quid pro quo, no bribery, no forcing Ukraine to do anything, no asking to look into Joe Biden to influence the upcoming election.
Liberals just make my head spin with how they just take nonsense and lies from their leaders and spew that fecal matter out in the public.
 
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Funny how the pro-Trump goalposts have shifted in this thread.

First it is "well, the House needs to vote". Then it is "look, the vote was partisan, it was crap".

Just observing how intellectually dishonest this entire argument is.

The pro-Trumpers here and Republicans are just calling out the Democrats and their hypocrisy. Multiple times in the past year or so, Pelosi, Schiff, and Nadler claimed they wouldn't push for impeachment if it was a partisan matter. Now that it is proven to be a partisan matter, the demonrats are doubling down on impeachment. Now that is completely dishonest, and not just intellectually.

It's also hypocritical that these same people pushing for impeachment now were fanatically against impeaching a president when it was Bill Clinton. They said things like impeachment is un-american, impeachment divides the country, blah, blah, blah..... Yet, it is just fine and dandy now.
 

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It's also hypocritical that these same people pushing for impeachment now were fanatically against impeaching a president when it was Bill Clinton. They said things like impeachment is un-american, impeachment divides the country, blah, blah, blah..... Yet, it is just fine and dandy now.
As someone who was born around the time the Clinton investigation took place, I have hindsight to look at it and honestly, he was impeached over a fucking blowjob.

That's on quite a different level than impeaching over an international scandal (Trump), Watergate (Nixon) or overusing your power as president (Johnson).

One is serious issues within regards to high treason and the like. The other is a goddamn sex act in the white house. Like, disgusting, maybe. But it's really silly to impeach over.
 

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As someone who was born around the time the Clinton investigation took place, I have hindsight to look at it and honestly, he was impeached over a fucking blowjob.

That's on quite a different level than impeaching over an international scandal (Trump), Watergate (Nixon) or overusing your power as president (Johnson).

One is serious issues within regards to high treason and the like. The other is a goddamn sex act in the white house. Like, disgusting, maybe. But it's really silly to impeach over.
Bill Clinton was impeached for perjury, he lied before the Grand Jury because he valued his personal reputation above his oath. He was also less than transparent throughout the impeachment process and encouraged witnesses to give false testimony, this is pretty well-documented.
 

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That's on quite a different level than impeaching over an international scandal (Trump)
Nobody, especially the Dems, knows why Trump is being impeached other than the Dems didn't like the results of the 2016 election. First, it was because he won, then it was Russian collusion, then it was obstruction, then it was the Ukraine call, then obstruction again. Now, who knows what's going on with the impeachment other than pelosi, Schiff, and nadler.
Trump committed no "high crime or misdemeanor" to warrant impeachment. Nobody wants impeachment other than the House Dems. Trump is not involved with Russian collusion, election tampering, quid pro quo, etc that the Dems are accusing him of. They just want to hinder his presidency because they don't like him and find any little reason to stop him.
 
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Even though, for somebody who like to call out people for going off topic, you are going way off topic here. I will add something about impeachment in to show you how it's done.

I guess in your heart, it's better to just kill the child in the womb rather than give them a chance to live? If a parent can't feel their kids, there are a lot of ways to get food for them. They can either go to a shelter, a food drive, beg for food, etc. Maybe if the government wasn't so caught up with trying to impeach an innocent President, they could use that time and effort to prevent kids from starving to death in the US. Heck, we have a very generous charity system that includes very generous 1%'ers that could take care of all the children around the world. There is no need to use taxes to take care of everybody when we have charity. Too bad the socialist dems want rich people and corps to pay both taxes and still give charity.
Even with a semi-perfect system in place, we will still have kids dying of starvation due to mentally ill parents, just plain a-hole parents that would rather buy beer and drugs than food, or just out right neglect from uncaring liberal parents who think meat is murder and plants can give you enough nutrition.

I guess in your world, we can just keep killing these burdens on our society (underdeveloped fetuses).
I'll agree. This is why off-topic discussion is best to be ignored. The only thing it serves is to show one of your fellow thinkers is far to immature in their political rational to discuss with, best not to put your feet in the pool as its nothing but tar, your logic is wrong but if you start another thread I'll gladly dismantle it.

Innocent President? If by the fact that he hasn't seen a trial, then yes I presume innocence, just be mindful this is a political trial not a criminal one. I have enough information brought forth to expect a diligent and thorough inquiry. If the concerns the whistle-blower had are valid and corroborated (even if his/her identity result in a left-leaning individual), then we should expect the house to do it's constitutional duty and serve articles of impeachment. You can try to distract and attempt to discredit the person who followed a legal process to bring this before our nation, but the rest of us desire to see that our country still retains proper checks and balances. Thus far I haven't seen anything of note that the whistle-blower didn't have corroborated, much less contradicted, by the opening statements of those who have testified thus far. Perhaps in your 'great and unmatched wisdom' you could... enlighten me.
 

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Nobody, especially the Dems, knows why Trump is being impeached other than the Dems didn't like the results of the 2016 election. First, it was because he won, then it was Russian collusion, then it was obstruction, then it was the Ukraine call, then obstruction again. Now, who knows what's going on with the impeachment other than pelosi, Schiff, and nadler.
Um its pretty straightforward.

Trump asked in a phone call to the Ukrainian president made in late July if he could dig up dirt on Biden.

That is using your status as a president to dig up dirt on a political opponent, which is an impeachable offense.
 

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Um its pretty straightforward.

Trump asked in a phone call to the Ukrainian president made in late July if he could dig up dirt on Biden.

That is using your status as a president to dig up dirt on a political opponent, which is an impeachable offense.
You're stripping important context from the conversation. The call was about corruption in Ukraine in general, with which the Biden family was tangentially connected. The main concern expressed in the call relates to the 2016 election hacking, and the cooperation in investigating the issue. Trump is significantly more concerned about the stigma of 2016 than Biden as a rival in 2020 - sleepy Joe is way below his league.
 

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