Hardware 3ds LL battery

lone_wolf323 · Sep 26, 2019

Marcus Aseth said:
got a reply from NipponYasan:

You guys might be interested, since they deliver the original batteries outside Japan too.

Sounds like that might be good. Or may be just a automatic message that means nothing. I dont really care about a message that says soon over one where they can give you an exact time and date yoy can order by. Soon when used like that may mean weeks to months of bs messages before it ever shows. if at all.

Marcus Aseth · Sep 26, 2019

lone_wolf323 said:
Sounds like that might be good. Or may be just a automatic message that means nothing. I dont really care about a message that says soon over one where they can give you an exact time and date yoy can order by. Soon when used like that may mean weeks to months of bs messages before it ever shows. if at all.

I don't think that's the case, that message is from the conversation I was having with that person yesterday, the one that linked me the 3ds ll battery info page and asked me to confirm it was the right product. Pretty sure he made the purchase and the item will appear in the store this week (probably next 2 days)
What's left to see, is what price they will charge for it :S

lone_wolf323 · Sep 26, 2019

Marcus Aseth said:
I don't think that's the case, that message is from the conversation I was having with that person yesterday, the one that linked me the 3ds ll battery info page and asked me to confirm it was the right product. Pretty sure he made the purchase and the item will appear in the store this week (probably next 2 days)
What's left to see, is what price they will charge for it :S

thats great if it does show up for you. and ya. hopefully the pricing isnt going to be cringeworthy.

Marcus Aseth · Sep 26, 2019

They added it, here it is https://www.nippon-yasan.com/video-...endo-3ds-ll-nintendo-3ds-ll-battery-pack.html

Is only one, I guess they want to be careful and test if this really sells (since I probably was the first ever to ask them for it).
@TurdPooCharger you might want to add them to you signature.
How's the price?

TurdPooCharger · Sep 26, 2019

Marcus Aseth said:
They added it, here it is https://www.nippon-yasan.com/video-...endo-3ds-ll-nintendo-3ds-ll-battery-pack.html

Is only one, I guess they want to be careful and test if this really sells (since I probably was the first ever to ask them for it).
@TurdPooCharger you might want to add them to you signature.
How's the price?

Like I said before, 2-3x times more expensive than buying the local generic battery. JPN 4500¥ converts to US $42 or 38€ in today's (Sept-26-2019) rate. This doesn't include shipping and import fee.

Marcus Aseth · Sep 26, 2019

I guess the question is: do you really trust the local generic that much compared to an original one? I watched some batteries on amazon, and there where many where people where complying this batteries where used or "restored" and selled again and did last very little. From your suggested Cellonic (in amazon.it) which has only 1 review, is not even possible to make a judgement, not enough "samples".
17€ generic or 38€ for original? Honestly, they both looks like bad choices. Probably the wise choice here is to send Citra team my money.

TurdPooCharger · Sep 26, 2019

Marcus Aseth said:
I guess the question is: do you really trust the local generic that much compared to an original one? I watched some batteries on amazon, and there where many where people where complying this batteries where used or "restored" and selled again and did last very little. From your suggested Cellonic (in amazon.it) which has only 1 review, is not even possible to make a judgement, not enough "samples".
17€ generic or 38€ for original? Honestly, they both looks like bad choices. Probably the wise choice here is to send Citra team my money.

@KleinesSinchen, how are your Cellonic CTR-003 and SPR-003 batteries holding up?

Edit - To @Marcus Aseth, to answer your question about generic versus official batteries:

N3DS XL battery replacement [post #6]

Also, each country specific Amazon of that same battery has their own reviews. Don't limit yourself to reading only Amazon of Italy.

Marcus Aseth · Sep 26, 2019

So I asked them if they could add the item to the store, but I'm not a merchant and not that bright sometiems so for some reason, I derped and assumed I would pay the same price on the nintendo store, it didn't even crossed my mind they would raise that price when I made the request. Would be an asshole move on my part if I now where to not buy after they added it per my request? x_x

lone_wolf323 · Sep 26, 2019

Marcus Aseth said:
So I asked them if they could add the item to the store, but I'm not a merchant and not that bright sometiems so for some reason, I derped and assumed I would pay the same price on the nintendo store, it didn't even crossed my mind they would raise that price when I made the request. Would be an asshole move on my part if I now where to not buy after they added it per my request? x_x

No. They are the ones being shits with jacking the price of the battery. Just have to be careful as since they are their own store. They will price according to what they need for getting those in stock and whatnot.

KleinesSinchen · Sep 26, 2019

TurdPooCharger said:
@KleinesSinchen, how are your Cellonic CTR-003 and SPR-003 batteries holding up?

Edit - To @Marcus Aseth, to answer your question about generic versus official batteries:

N3DS XL battery replacement [post #6]

Also, each country specific Amazon of that same battery has their own reviews. Don't limit yourself to reading only Amazon of Italy.

I’ve been following this thread from the beginning ans was not sure if I should reply to it. Until now my two Cellonic perform good. I’ve not noticed any drop in capacity.

Problem is: Nobody can look into the future. It is less than a year and somewhere between 50 and 100 cycles each. The SPR-003 replacement is not used as much anymore (because the O3DSXL has been demoted to a test device).

I would buy them again. Price seems fair to me.

Marcus Aseth · Sep 26, 2019

btw guys, if you need a battery and end up purchasing the original one on nippon-yasan, you actually do me a favor xD
Feels bad if they added it for me and then they don't get the money they invested back x_x
Though with that price, delivery and with Customs, and the fact that I intended to use it in 1-2 years (when I requested it I was future-proofing, I learned that battery degrade over time even when not used from this topic), it means I would risk to be paying 50+€ for something I will never get to use. Is not acceptable.

TurdPooCharger · Sep 26, 2019

Marcus Aseth said:
So I asked them if they could add the item to the store, but I'm not a merchant and not that bright sometiems so for some reason, I derped and assumed I would pay the same price on the nintendo store, it didn't even crossed my mind they would raise that price when I made the request. Would be an asshole move on my part if I now where to not buy after they added it per my request? x_x

Explain to nippon-yasan your situation in searching overseas for that specific battery because it's not available in your region (Europe). Tell them it's your first time cross regional shopping, so you honestly did not have an idea the price would be drastically more versus your home market prices. Be truthful when you tell them why you can't buy their battery.

lone_wolf323 said:
No. They are the ones being shits with jacking the price of the battery. Just have to be careful as since they are their own store. They will price according to what they need for getting those in stock and whatnot.

Their listed price is a reasonable market supply & demand price for a 3rd party retailer exporting the battery from Japan. If they sold that battery at let's say US $30, that would be their break even point (no profit / paid sales tax / labor cost to call up buddy or reference in finding someone who has that part, etc).

Basically, buying official Nintendo batteries from Japan does not make sense because the batteries are made in China, and Nintendo of Japan probably does not stock that much replacement parts since Japanese people in general treat their possessions very well, so their systems don't break down as often (** hardware repair rates lower than other regions, although battery expiration rate should be the same globally).

Marcus Aseth · Sep 26, 2019

TurdPooCharger said:
Explain to nippon-yasan your situation in searching overseas for that specific battery because it's not available in your region (Europe). Tell them it's your first time cross regional shopping, so you honestly did not have an idea the price would be drastically more versus your home market prices. Be truthful when you tell them why you can't buy their battery.

Good idea, I was already in hiding mode x_x
I sent them this

I have to apologize and I'm mortified for having created you problems, but upon further reasoning I realized that making this purchase would be really really bad for me...
The reason I requested this item was because Nintendo stop selling this in Europe (and recently in USA too).
I'm not much familiar with selling, so when I requested if it was possible to add this item, it didn't even crossed my mind that the price for it would be raised x_x
To make things worst, I just recently learned (after making the request) that ion-battery lifespan degrade over time even when not used, I was purchasing it with the idea of future-proofing and be able to play again with my 3ds in 1 or 2 years, but by that time, the battery might very well be dead.

So with the price of the battery, the delivery, Italy's Custom and the fact the battery keep degrading when not used, if I where to purchase I would be putting myself in a situation of having spent a total of 6000yen or more for something that doesn't work when I'll decide to use it.

I'm mortified for having created you problem and for not having realized all of this sooner, I'm telling you know so that you have a chance to replace it from the place you bought it, with an item that is more easy to sell on your store. My apologize

So this concludes my search for battery. In 1-2 years Citra will be perfect, I'm done with real Nintendo hardware until they prove they can produce something durable in time (especially that doesn't degrade while idle) and reliable.
Thanks you guys for the help

TurdPooCharger · Sep 26, 2019

Marcus Aseth said:
Good idea, I was already in hiding mode x_x
I sent them this

If nippon-yasan is a reputable shop, they should be understanding of your dilemma and accept your apology.

Marcus Aseth said:
So this concludes my search for battery. In 1-2 years Citra will be perfect, I'm done with real Nintendo hardware until they prove they can produce something durable in time (especially that doesn't degrade while idle) and reliable.

This is something you can't blame Nintendo.

Whether they're in cellphones, laptops, tablets, electric cars, and gaming systems, all li-ion rechargeable batteries degrade over time.

Marcus Aseth · Sep 26, 2019

TurdPooCharger said:
This is something you can't blame Nintendo.

Whether they're in cellphones, laptops, tablets, electric cars, and gaming systems, all li-ion rechargeable batteries degrade over time.

But they could provide some peripheral that would allow me to use my 3ds reliably as I use my pc, trough the house power outlet. I've got this PSU since 10 years, used my pc everyday and is still holding up. And even if it exploded today, I wouldn't have any problem finding a replacement. This are my standards of reliability.
I feel like companies like Nintendo are slowly lowering customers standards on purpose as to make them feel this is the norm and there is nothing wrong in keeping giving money to Nintendo.
I strongly disagree with that view, after all I didn't pay for a monthly subscription to an online MMORPG which would be valid only for that one month of time, I paid for hardware and game cartridges that I should be able to store in a closet and take out and play after 10 years if I felt to like I could do with a Snes, and this if things where made properly.
So I can't help but feel they are strongly pushing toward this constant cycle and replacement of hardware as if is unavoidable, just out of their greed.
Not ok at all with that.

TurdPooCharger · Sep 26, 2019

Marcus Aseth said:
But they could provide some peripheral that would allow me to use my 3ds reliably as I use my pc, though the house power outlet. I've got this PSU since 10 years, used my pc everyday and is still holding up. And even if it exploded today, I wouldn't have any problem finding a replacement. This are my standards of reliability.
I feel like companies like Nintendo are slowly lowering customers standards on purpose as to make them feel this is the norm and there is nothing wrong in keeping giving money to Nintendo.
I strongly disagree with that view, after all I didn't pay for a monthly subscription to an online MMORPG which would be valid only for that one month of time, I paid for hardware and game cartridges that I should be able to store in a closet and take out and play after 10 years if I felt to like I could do with a Snes, and this if things where made properly.
So I can't help but feel they are strongly pushing toward this constant cycle and replacement of hardware as if is unavoidable, just out of their greed.
Not ok at all with that.

The thing is, you can't directly compare the long term reliability of li-ion batteries to PSU power units. One contains volatile chemicals that by nature degrades quickly while the other mostly has mechanical parts that are not physical stressed no any where near their design limit.

It would be like saying humans are a stupid species compared to turtles because we can at best live to 120 years while (certain) turtles can easily hit 300 years if given ideal natural living conditions.

Marcus Aseth · Sep 26, 2019

Well, I'm not directly comparing them, each one serves their purpose, the battery is great (indispensable) for portability hands down. I'm complaining more about the fact the alternative is not being provided by them. But even without the alternative and wanting to be solely a portable gaming device, I would still be ok with it if they could at least guarantee the availability of replacement batteries in the future...but they can't even guarantee for the present!
To me this are all sign of an unreliable company that is purposely pushing this constant hardware cycle as if it where a tax customers have to pay in order to enjoy nintendo products. I'm totally not a fan of timed subscriptions, so I'm getting out of this while I didn't invested too much on it yet.

KleinesSinchen · Sep 26, 2019

Marcus Aseth said:
But they could provide some peripheral that would allow me to use my 3ds reliably as I use my pc, trough the house power outlet. I've got this PSU since 10 years, used my pc everyday and is still holding up. And even if it exploded today, I wouldn't have any problem finding a replacement. This are my standards of reliability.
I feel like companies like Nintendo are slowly lowering customers standards on purpose as to make them feel this is the norm and there is nothing wrong in keeping giving money to Nintendo.
I strongly disagree with that view, after all I didn't pay for a monthly subscription to an online MMORPG which would be valid only for that one month of time, I paid for hardware and game cartridges that I should be able to store in a closet and take out and play after 10 years if I felt to like I could do with a Snes, and this if things where made properly.
So I can't help but feel they are strongly pushing toward this constant cycle and replacement of hardware as if is unavoidable, just out of their greed.
Not ok at all with that.

I get what you’re saying. I also dislike poor repairability, short life cycles and the fast “It is some years old… MOVE ON!!” I never understood this logic:

When a device is new, you can get easily wear parts. When it is a few years old: “Sorry. Not economically viable anymore.” Makes perfect sense. When do I need wear parts the most? Clearly when the device is still brand new! Wait…

From my personal experience (old) Nintendo hardware was definitely build to last.

Top-loading NES: Mechanic holding down the cartridges wears out and the 72-pin connector occasionally fails (aftermarket replacement exists)
DMG-001 (first Game Boy easily gets blank vertical lines – can be restored with a soldering iron). Other than that the DMG-001 is a perfect example for a long lasting product.
Poor analogue sticks in the N64 controller
Some N64 power supplies have capacitors that started failing after about 15-20 years (which is not that bad)
Cartridges with battery backed SRAM still work after decades – those with clocks (mostly Pokemon) drained their batteries after less than 10 years. Taking the special screws on the cartridges and the fact that the batteries are soldered in (end user replacement not intended) this is a really bad move

Nothing in my collection has failed up to now which is quite impressive. And this is the reason why I bought Nintendo products in the past.

Rechargeable batteries are always a wear part. No matter which technology, sooner or later all batteries fail. This is not a manufacturer’s fault. Up to the N2DSXL and the Switch Nintendo did the right thing and designed their devices for easy battery replacement by the end user. Comparing the N2DSXL and the Switch with current “smart”phones/tablets, Nintendo is still better than most other companies (excessive amount of glue, hard to open – easy to destroy, Apple with DRM on spare parts – like batteries…)

Disclaimer: I am not affiliated with Nintendo in any form and I am not a fan of Nintendo’s current business conduct. There is much to criticize about big-N and I don’t give them any money anymore for various reasons.

TurdPooCharger · Sep 26, 2019

Marcus Aseth said:
Well, I'm not directly comparing them, each one serves their purpose, the battery is great (indispensable) for portability hands down. I'm complaining more about the fact the alternative is not being provided by them. But even without the alternative and wanting to be solely a portable gaming device, I would still be ok with it if they could at least guarantee the availability of replacement batteries in the future...but they can't even guarantee for the present!
To me this are all sign of an unreliable company that is purposely pushing this constant hardware cycle as if it where a tax customers have to pay in order to enjoy nintendo products. I'm totally not a fan of timed subscriptions, so I'm getting out of this while I didn't invested too much on it yet.

I too am not happy that Nintendo has a battery shortage for the (o/n)3DS(XL/LL). My 2017 n3DSXL is about to need a replacement battery around early next year, so I feel some of the anxiety of seeing their SPR-003 being unavailable.

But look at the broader picture. Imagine yourself as the CEO of Nintendo. You want all manufacturing efforts placed into producing batteries for the Switch and Switch Lite as these are the money makers keeping your business alive today and (hopefully) the far future. As much as you would like to make more SPR-003 batteries, your resources are finite and constrained. Supplying fresh batteries for the (o/n)3DS(XL/LL) is not an immediate concern until you've made sure there are enough Switch (Lite) to meet consumer demand. Also to keep in mind is that you (Nintendo) have long time rivals Sony (PlayStation 4), Microsoft (XBox One), Steam (~misc PC gaming), and mobile phone games who are all competing for their share in the gaming market. You can't divert too much attention and support away from your current generation system for your soon-to-be-(fully)-retired handheld. If you don't captivate your immediate fans who are paying you to make the latest and greatest games for the Switch, you risk losing their support where they may spend money elsewhere.

Another thing to know is that all electronic devices are discontinued some day, and their official branded batteries stop getting made alongside them. As much as we like the 3DS systems, we have to realize and accept Nintendo will one day stop supporting repairs and selling replacement parts for them. If the device was sold in large numbers or popular enough to catch the attention of 3rd party manufacturers, they will step in to provide aftermarket parts including generic batteries.

Ryccardo · Sep 26, 2019

In Italy there's no law explicitly requiring spare parts to be available for a certain time, however in Spain there is one (5 years from discontinuation for parts under 60 €) - might want to ask them?

...and did you try calling our Nintendo office?

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