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If you take socialism literally. No, because the kids in the climate movement are actually mixed. There are 'communists' among them as well (right wing talking point ;)) - but it actually started with children of parents in rich 'globalism friendly' neighborhoods (Bobos - „bourgeois bohémiens" (Conservatives in jeans)), or simply put 'winners of globalization'.

So they arent for cutting markets out. :)

Right wing media then says - but the communists will take over. Apparently (saw one video.. ;)) but thats not likely. 'Communitsts' also like it from the globalist perspective (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_International roughly).
 
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Haha. You can't change the global warming at all but you can slow it down with improvement technology and reduced pollution.
Which is the same. :) Also at one point you might become so good at sucking CO2 out of the atmosphere with 'some future tech', that you can entirely stabilize.

People are trying to stabilize something there.

The positive argument around it is 'you are saving the planet', the negative arguments around it are

- food security
- migration
- water shortages
- more natural disasters (if water warmer, more water in air)

At first - mostly not in western countries.

And that you are dealing with exponential curves - so 'tipping points' so - if you wait too long to do something, problem becomes far worse.

Its the same as when we saved the banks. ;) Hurray! (*grr*)

But we are only, and always arguing about when, and how much (cost (money) involved.).

Again insurance companies are also on the forefront of the movement.. ;)

Private investment firms are not - because they are invested in growth in other economies as well. So - they still profit for a while in growth in china or india. F.e.

Oh yes - and China will overtake the west in terms of economic imporance in a few years. And india and others are still on a growth spurt. Using old tech (carbon rich) to catch up. So that has to be balanced as well. Fun.

(America, China and India are responsible for more than half of the worlds CO2 emissions.

Germany is 2.3%, Europe combined at around 10%;) )

--------------------- MERGED ---------------------------

Also if you look at f.e. migration pressure, Europe suddenly has much more of an issue with it than the US f.e. - short term.

But again, exponential warming curves mean, that we would have to act earlier, because its far, far easier. (But still will cost millennials.)

Now you see interests colliding. (How fast.. ;) )
 
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What you're describing is nothing of leftist or rightist. It's a personaly quality you see in them. Nothing to do with politics.
I was describing how leftists such as @Xzi use hatred and insults as arguments and always resort to them after thinking they proved some insanely false point.

which you formed while huffing paint and watching Tucker Carlson
It's like you have a mirror into my life..... stop bringing up my bad habits.

I'm glad people are willing to keep up with his nonsense.
So Truth/facts = nonsense..... oh, got it. You definitely are a leftie. Keep spreading your hate and lies, but just know that the hot air you're blowing is causing global warming.

well, i am pretty sure he is just outright trolling at this point but who knows.
Look at me, I'm posting the truth about liberals/leftist proving how ridiculous they are and hurting your emotions. Oh, I'm such a troll!!!!! Yeah, try coming up with a new line such as, oh i don't know..... something that isn't leftist hate. Try actually adding something to the conversation other than your yokel nonsense.


@morvoran Looks like all the liberals are teaming up on you. I guess you're going to have to make 20 more threads to expose their evil.
I never got as much hate as this morvoran guy. I hardly get called idiot or retard, unlike this morvoran specimen. So this guy is on some other planet.
I kinda think he's genuine, a little bit. But this guy is becoming obsessive. Too many threads. I bet you he's like "yes this will show dem liberals that'll show that Xzi guy a hyuck."
It doesn't bother me that these libtards are attacking me. Being a logical person, I don't think of speech as assault. I wouldn't even call it attacking me as it is more like throwing a hissy fit like special needs children. I know they are only capable of spreading hate, lunacy, and outright lies when their leaders' agendas are exposed or just don't have the intelligence level to come up with their own valid argument.
"Too many threads" is an opinion and you're allowed to think that, but I only create about 1 thread a week unless I see a story that I feel must be shared, then I might post 2. I wouldn't post so much if there wasn't so much content available.
These people here "attacking me" have only heard/read the lies about the Democrat policies that have blinded them to their actual agenda, and I'm only exposing the truth which is not something these people have been shielded from to keep them on the Democrat plantation. They just don't know how to handle the truth other than reverting back to their most basic animal instincts of flight or fight.

Plus, come on, people!!! First, liberals came up with the idea to go on a sex strike to keep having abortions. Now, they're not having kids to fight climate change? Then, I'm called a troll? Give me a break!!
The climate is always changing on its own without the help of human intervention. This whole idea of some catastrophic event happening soon is just pure idiocy. Regardless, these kids will not follow through, but if they did, I say good riddance as we don't need them to continue to infect our gene pool.
 
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"But those liberals are attacking me..."

And I'm out.

"Stupid is, what stupid does."
"But I'm not stupid"
"Ok maybe, maybe you just need more info..."
"Yeah, but climate is always changing on its own and the liberals are attacking me for..."

Yes climate is always changing on its own (part of that also is human made) - and now it becomes an issue.

Because of
- food security
- migration
- water shortages
- more natural disasters (if water warmer, more water in air)

Says the UN.
Says 515 financial investors.
Says a mass movement in - well mostly europe.
Says china (but they are top dog at producing new green energy tech that scales at the moment (solar))

But it always changes on its own - so why should I have to learn...

You like simple - dont you? Siiiiiiiimple. And big words.

Biggly - like "Fat sex therapist really said thing". Could you imagine how this might ruin - idk - fact based, oder deeper - less emotionally (I win because I feel) like discussion?

I actually like trolls. If they troll intelligently. But this?

Well. You'll come around eventually hopefully.. ;)

Also you have to read. At least the references.

If you want to win thread on 'well climate always changes' *shrug* what do you bring to the table?
 
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I think by this point we can all agree that he has demonstrated he cares about an agenda of pushing ideas and not genuine debate on topics. I believe we call this propaganda?

What does this have to do with teens not having babies and/or climate change? You talk about someone "pushing agendas and not genuine debate" on topics while you spout hypocrisy by pushing your own agenda that I'm dog whistling while not even bringing anything to the debate of this thread. Yeah, that's what I call propaganda.
 

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The green new deal is just about creating a socialist country, and China, which is already socialist,

Do the workers control the means of production in China?

The thing that proves this is that in every factor that contributes to it, USA and Europe have the smallest contributions of all the world.

This is objectively false. The United States has contributed more co2 to the atmosphere than any other country in history. Currently, China produces more co2 than we do, but they are also a much more populous country than we are. Per person, Americans produce more co2 than Chinese people.
Hell, the US military produces more co2 than most countries.
 
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@morvoran As I understand from this thread and the other one about climate change, you think that the research about it is wrong or being manipulated to show that humans are the cause. This would mean that there is something like a worldwide conspiracy to keep the real research data hidden. As I can see the Chinese or Russian scientists jumping at a chance to show how incompetent the European and American scientists are.
In the other thread you wrote about the methodology of the initial climate study being wrong, do you really think that the scientists have continued to use the same methodology without verifying that it is accurate?
 

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China only produces so much Co² because WE want our shit made by them. Cheap, fast and not giving a fuck about the consequences. So we have to blame ourselves.
 
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So basically they want people who care about the climate to die out while people who don't care about the climate continue breeding like rabbits and screwing up the planet.
 

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There are nutjobs willing to call anything and everything a conspiracy nowadays, especially if it makes them a quick buck in the process. This website looks like nothing more than politically biased clickbaity garbage, it's not exactly a source on par with NASA's scientific community.

Did you even read the article or listen to the Dr.?
Somehow I doubt it..

Perhaps read these two articles:

NASA admits that climate change occurs because of changes in Earth’s solar orbit, and NOT because of SUVs and fossil fuels

Global warming or bad data?

Sorry, but I'm probably older than everyone else on here..
I lived through:
70s- global cooling will kill everyone (I was living in Florida at the time, the orange groves were freezing)
80s- acid rain will kill everyone
90s- ozone layer depletion will kill everyone
00s- global warming will kill everyone
10s- climate change will kill everyone

None of that came true.. Al Gore's 'hockey stick' was completely proven untrue, not only by Dr. Ball but just the fact that enough time has lapsed and none of it came true..
It has been much warmer than it is now, and much cooler as well..
I'm not saying don't be good stewards of our planet, but I am saying I don't think humans contribute to the natural climate changes.. What hubris!
 
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Nuclear power as a sole solution cant scale fast enough. (Oil and coal was that 'good' of an energy source.) It will be part of the mix though. Meaning - you actually always want ho have a mix of technologies to guarantee energy production safety (as you do now). Some countries will decide against it - some wont. Thats up to them.

On a very basic level, we are introducing a 'carbon price' (another cost factor) - which might be lower for developing nations (they probably will get screwed anyhow, later..) - and then every country can decide on their own - how its getting there. But if one of the major polluters doesnt - we have a problem. The smaller ones we can 'force' wth trade negotiations, but we need alliances on the big ones - if there is a cleft , it doesnt work. Especially not in free market societies.

And even if - lets say nuclear alone would work - you couldnt scale up purely electric vehicle traffic as fast as needed.

To give you an indication. Germany has just pledged to reach 0 CO2 emissions by 2050 and 55% of that by 2030. Much of that will come from individual traffic. And its a mix of everything, so planting trees in Africa, making sure South America doesnt need to cut away its forrests at the 'ususal rate' in trade deals, going into electric car production, thermal retrofitting on houses, implementing smart grids and wind and solar power - to a larger extent and cutting back at the middle classes - with impacts on the poor as well.

(You then say, that you'll compensate the poor, but thats actually tough, if you do it at low growth to recession - because what usually happens is sector inflation in 'food products' for 1-2 years, and all of the benefits for the poor are gone again (Because you gave them out equally) and suddenly they are in the food sector. So the bulk of what you gain by a CO2 price will always come from middle classes (and industry, but you want them to use that for innovations), and the poor likely will always suffer most.)

If you would go only solar, you'd benefit China most. But solar also is the most efficient of the green energy sources currently. But then its also not so efficient in germany (sun), so in the end its always a mix.

Also germany will not use nuclear power - but that was also a democratic decision (because of dangers, and the cost that come from storing the waste).


On storing nuclear waste. There is still no designated 'final storage' area/facility in the world. Governments usually can 'freeze' dedication/purpose of a patch of land for about 100 years. Some waste compounds from nuclear energy have a half-life time of a few billion years. This is actually how the story really went. In the 50s (think Fallout ;) ) the entire world was more or less excited about free energy - and thought, that the waste problem would be an afterthought. So they just stored the waste next to facilities to 'concentrate' uranium. Then they found out, that that might not be such a good idea. Science to look for final storage facilities for nuclear waste was done by some oddballs, with no utterly convincing results so far. Now china also is engaged in it - so maybe. You usually look at desserts, but they also have to have the right rock layer formations, and all in all - you are making the issue bigger and bigger, for generations after yourself. So if you think that you dont have to - you try to mostly cut out nuclear, or cut it out entirely. From todays perspective. You can still have some (just make sure the problem doesnt get to big, by making it a trend basically.)

Solar is actually very efficient already. But the issue is, that you have to keep the amount of energy in the grids stable. And solar is everything but that (cloudy day...) - so you need a mix of other energy reactors you can click online, if solar goes off. And you need new forms of energy storage. (Pump water generators in the mountains arent enough, and also environment...) And you need new forms of transnational power transmission solutions ideally ('power from the dessert'), but thats then a political issue, and probably wont do.. ;) So that has an impact on time tables (because everything isn't just viable at once), and...

Yeah. So you remove growth expectation from millennials. :) in Europe. In the US, we'll have to see.
 
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The only real solution to nuclear waste (as i see it) is packing it into rockets and goodbye but it's expensive.
Rockets are fulled by... ;) The weight of the entire Apollo 11 missions landing module was? ;)

Short answer: Stored waste in the U.S. is roughly 60,000 tons (high-level waste). Take that and multiply it by four since the U.S. has 104 of the 400+ world nuclear plants and we get 240,000 tons.
Extrapolate from that. ;)
 
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Oh and remember, if you bring back 'chinese labor' (f.e. on solar cells) to the US, you'll only do that with very high automation - so producing only few jobs. To keep cost at the current level, which factors in into energy efficiency on solar panels - which only last 30 years. Fun. ;) And the transport fuel you can cut isn't 100%, because you need the raw materials. Nowadays also controlled by china (on solar), mostly. ;) Fun.

If you leave production in china, they'll probably also automate (slower), driving cost down - raising energy efficiency. But also continue their growth path - while most of the western world isnt.

Chinese Exec types then laugh at our former german foreign minister an tell them, that they think Europe will have a few revolutions.. ;) (Thats what helps millenials in the climate debate - because politics _knows_ that. ;) )

So you look at the fact, that european populations are shrinking by 30% in the next half century - and you suddenly end up with service economies, and 'virtual goods and experiences' as growth sectors for millennials. But ideally don't focus on that, because I do - and Its not fun. ;)

You are basically talking about virtual economies, that produce 'experiences' and highly specialized, automated work forces, that produce trade value. (Andrew Yang 2020. ;) Huge social/pay gaps that we then have to do something about as well. Also millenials never to be owning anything physically in their lives again. Because carbon taxes - make stuff more expensive.

So Uber! Renting! Virtual goods! ...)
 
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Yes, the climate changes, like everything in the universe it has cycles.

I know this is but one side of the coin, but still (refering to the famous 97%, and I believe the formula for global warming).




Also, flat earth is real!
https://www.tamiya.com/english/products/81752/index.htm

In all honesty, I'm not certain humans are the cause, or are only accelerating it a bit.
I also found a video once saying we're likely a cause (cause, effect wise) in a bigger picture.
 
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