Red Hats: Today's "Red Scare"?

H1B1Esquire · Sep 11, 2019

morvoran said:
H1B1bhole lies - >9000

Are you telling me that my lie counter is less than 9000? I mean....that would be accurate....but, it doesn't mean much if you don't drive it through. You know, you could have put in effort, taken my profile picture, added the Turtle from DBZ with the (

and replied; would have been a lot cooler if you did.
If you do it now, you're just a follower.....and you're my follower, which means you betrayed Tronald Grabb'em-by-the-tucci.

Btw, love what you did with the name--I've been working on this for you: Moronvan.

Also, why did you stop there?
H1Bholeasswiper sounds much better. I guess when you don't blindly follow a fucking pile of orange-tinted dog shit, you can think for yourself and come up with brilliant ideas.

"uh-mayz-in" also sounds better.

Can I count on your vote when I run for president?

tinkle · Sep 11, 2019

morvoran said:
You can't say these are lies

Sharpiegate is pretty clear cut.

morvoran · Sep 11, 2019

H1B1Esquire said:
Are you telling me that my lie counter is less than 9000?

umm.... ">" is greater than, "<" is less than. The pacman always faces the bigger #, so I was saying your lies were greater than 9000. Did you pass the 2nd grade or just skip your way through?

H1B1Esquire said:
I've been working on this for you: Moronvan.

Xzi did it, xzi did it. Yeah, he already called me that one so try again.

H1B1Esquire said:
H1Bholeasswiper sounds much better.

I was going towards H1Bholelicker, but I didn't want my post to be "NSFW".

H1B1Esquire said:
Can I count on your vote when I run for president?

If you have the same qualities as Trump, YES!!! You already have his public relations and social media posting skills down.

H1B1Esquire · Sep 11, 2019

morvoran said:
Boy, I don't understand one word you just said.

morvoran said:
Sorry folks, I guess I have been defeated and must leave this site in shame

Well, geeze, now you're making non-moronvans look bad. But...if you're going back to school, Tchus! Bis Bald! Aloha! Ja-ne!, Hasta la vista!

Seriously, I value your.....opinion? Although, the way you go about it is wrong. Just like the guy you adore, there are ways to go about things.

I can also tell by the context you're getting tired...or you're learning the truth.

Xzi · Sep 11, 2019

morvoran said:
You can't say these are lies (misleading maybe),yet, but he still has 5 more years to go.

He's already re-directed money from military projects to his wall, and Dorian has already passed. Only one of those statements is in question, and considering he's signaled a willingness to make cuts to Medicare and Social Security should he get a second term, I'm seriously doubting his commitment to providing universal healthcare coverage.

morvoran said:
Yeah, you keep saying that but here we are.....

Rarely do you reveal the degree to which you're in denial about reality, but suggesting that Trump has "never once lied" is on a whole other level of Orwellian bullshit. Don't worry, I'll go right back to ignoring you after this since you can't be arsed to break free of your childish trolling habit.

morvoran · Sep 11, 2019

H1B1Esquire said:
Seriously, I value your.....opinion? Although, the way you go about it is wrong. Just like the guy you adore, there are ways to go about things.

I can also tell by the context you're getting tired...or you're learning the truth.

I respect your "opinions" also just as everybody else's as long as they contain context and not just insults or hate. I go about things in an "eye for an eye" aspect, so I give what I get. If people aren't serious about a discussion, then I won't be either. If they don't add value to the conversation, I usually won't either. If you post something objective, I will either agree or post a retort to your statement. I try to be fair with my replies. I never get angry. I never hate. I may say "mean things" but never with malice.

I am getting tired, but I learned the truth years ago.

DBlaze · Sep 11, 2019

what even is this thread anymore

H1B1Esquire · Sep 11, 2019

morvoran said:
umm.... ">" is greater than, "<" is less than

I actually go with something similar, but opposite....plus, you didn't have a contrast for me...it just looked like a typo, so I gave you some time to see if you'd edit it.
Doesn't really matter, but for future reference, use this format when you don't have two similar things to compare:
H1bholeasswiper lies = 9000+

morvoran said:
Yeah, he already called me that one so try again.

Ehh, I'd rather not--it fits. Why put the shoe on your hands when it fits the foot better? Guess you should just own it now.

morvoran said:
You already have his public relations and social media posting skills down.

Okay--I'm serious, I'm really going to need your support.

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morvoran said:
If they don't add value to the conversation, I usually won't either.

Well, @Xzi did post some compelling arguments to which you did not defend your side well, if at all.

Sometimes, you need to be the atypical "Trump supporter" to show others that there are cases of _____ supporters having intelligence....or that you can have a battle of wits without Nerf darts.

morvoran said:
Bholelicker, but I didn't

It was wack anyway; I do it better than you. :/

morvoran · Sep 11, 2019

Xzi said:
He's already re-directed money from military projects to his wall, and Dorian has already passed. Only one of those statements is in question, and considering he's signaled a willingness to make cuts to Medicare and Social Security should he get a second term, I'm seriously doubting his commitment to providing universal healthcare coverage.

He's still got 5 years to have them pay. In a way, they are paying for their military and for the care of the illegals from central/south america/congo to prevent more illegals from getting into our country. This saves us money to actually fix our border issues such as the wall. If you look at this in an accounting aspect, Mexico is decreasing our debits while we are building our credits with tariffs against them. This could be construed as them paying, or helping, to pay for it. Who knows what can happen in 5 years? They might start paying us back for it in one way or another.

The "sharpiegate" situation was proven a hoax because Trump was only working with outdated information. Even the heads of the NOAA stated to the press that Trump was correct that Alabama was going to suffer damage due to early projections.

Would you call it "universal healthcare coverage" if it was affordable to everybody while costing less in taxes making it a better option than Bernie's plan? Wait and see, I don't even have a guess on this one.

Xzi said:
Rarely do you reveal the degree to which you're in denial about reality, but suggesting that Trump has "never once lied" is on a whole other level of Orwellian bullshit. Don't worry, I'll go right back to ignoring you after this since you can't be arsed to break free of your childish trolling habit.

Do you know the difference between "misleading" and "lie"? If Trump is told things that are not true, and he repeats them, he is not purposely lying. That is called "misleading" by the "mislead".

If I asked you if it was raining, then you asked your echo device which told you "yes, it is", so you tell me "yes, it's raining" even though it's not. I end up walking outside with an umbrella for no reason and call you a liar. Does this mean you lied or mislead me?

notimp · Sep 11, 2019

https://www.salon.com/2019/08/12/do...-day-since-becoming-president-analysis-finds/

Trump 'misleading people' 12.000 times since he took office is just the 'rich guys' way of saying he is an absolute pathological lier, and sharpie wielding egomaniac. That can produce 20 tweets on how wrong he was with replicating a Hurricane prediction.

Its the same if you are clinically mad, and you are rich - all of a sudden you become 'excentric'. Its just one set of excuses, that don't exist for poorer people.

(Also Trump isn't intelligent enough to had made informed distinctions about providing misleading statement purposefully in 12.000 cases - effectively letting the receiving party 'hang themselves' with the slanted information provided.

He takes a sharpie - forges a map. Then lies about who did it.

He is a pathological lier.)

DarthDub · Sep 11, 2019

When did this forum become a circus? So much bias..

matthi321 · Sep 11, 2019

as an non american its funny to see how you guys on the internet can get so angry over others peoples opinion, when you whole country is founded on the idea that you have freespecch. i do take that its only over the internet people act this way, or is it also in real life?

granville · Sep 11, 2019

matthi321 said:
as an non american its funny to see how you guys on the internet can get so angry over others peoples opinion, when you whole country is founded on the idea that you have freespecch. i do take that its only over the internet people act this way, or is it also in real life?

The US wasn't "founded" on free speech. The first constitution of the US was the Articles of Confederation. It was written in 1777 and finally passed into law by all 13 original states in 1781. It did not contain anything guaranteeing free speech for the general population (only for members of Congress specifically). The Articles of Confederation were also scrapped in 1789 and replaced by the second present Constitution. The original draft of the Constitution ALSO did not contain any guarantees free speech. This was added in as the First Amendment, part of the Bill of Rights (which had 9 other Amendments). It passed all 13 original states in 1791.

The 1st Amendment does several things, some of which are just as important as free speech (but often ignored and violated). In particular, it establishes a separation of church and state. The government cannot pass laws that favor certain religions over others, nor is it allowed to prohibit people from worshipping whatever God (or lack thereof). The government is also not allowed to abridge freedom of speech by people or the press. People are also allowed to peaceably protest and petition the government.

People are still allowed to argue and get offended with each other's opinions. The First Amendment just establishes how the government is generally supposed to react (or not react) to public speech. However, the 1st does not and never has held infinite absolute power. For good reason. We still have laws against libel, slander and defamation. Directly threatening someone with violence or inciting others to commit violent acts is also illegal. Basically speech that "presents a clear and present danger" to others would not be protected by the first amendment, especially when it's based around falsehood and lies.

notimp · Sep 11, 2019

DarthDub said:
When did this forum become a circus? So much bias..

matthi321 said:
as an non american its funny to see how you guys on the internet can get so angry over others peoples opinion, when you whole country is founded on the idea that you have freespecch. i do take that its only over the internet people act this way, or is it also in real life?

There is a simple out. Let go of the idea, that all of politics is a personality contest. Actual political decisions almost never are 'personality driven'.

So from my point of view - most, if not all what 'Trump' stands for in public (because of his tweets, or media reports), is simply a distraction. Its usually a beautiful distraction (think 'royal wedding'), or as in Trumps case a 'beautiful trainwreck' (pick any tweet), but a distraction none the less.

So when I write 'Trump is a pathological liar' - its not because I am very emotional, and want to have console war stile fights, when not even being an american - its, simply a pretty unexcited statement, that to me almost seems factual.

Now - its difficult to make the direct comparison to other presidents of the US, because Trump was the first one that took to twitter to that extent and broke down 'being perceived as personable, by using non political language, and no filters' walls - but still, I don't think of former US presidents of having a pathological problem with telling the 'truth':

(Although - in another way (language of the position of POTUS) sure...

I don't discriminate.)

Trump in some sense is the least political active president the US has ever had, and I'm sure to some thats very much a positive. But for most of his active time, he simply provides beautiful distractions , of what can be termed 'political discussion' nowadays. He lowered the bar. For a while it was interesting, but I don't necessarily respect him, or his strategists for that.

I mean - "Are red caps the new red scare? What do you feel?" doesnt hold any value for political discussion (discourse) neither does "Trumps sharpie antics".

Its funny. We all laugh about it - but ultimately its just a distraction.

Or the fuel for a 24/7 news cycle if you are dependent on that.

WD_GASTER2 · Sep 12, 2019

DarthDub said:
When did this forum become a circus? So much bias..

well tell me what substance was there in this thread to begin with. its like notimp said there is nothing of political substance to argue here in this particular thread

somebody said something stupid on twitter
somebody wrote an article
somebody wrote a forum post to vent about the article that was based on said stupid comment on twitter.

There is plenty of things to be frustrated by which any political party does. This is just bottom of the barrel.

"oh when will the left learn they want to police everrrryyyything. because they are SJW's"

"I want to have the freedom to do and Say as i please, but you better not Kneel during the anthem or you a sunnofabitch"

Literally farcical things to complain about regarding politics (idiots aiding peddlers on both sides to distract from the real problems is what these folks tend to be), when if anybody acted like a grown up for 2 minutes, There are discussions to be had where we as a country have our current standing on the world (which however you see it is important), Serious discussion of climate change (There are plenty conservatives that acknowledge it, but the media sure loves to put the spotlight on the crazies that deny it, giving them way too much leverage in this topic), or Where do we want to be as a country in regards to foreign policy.

lest all forget about that and complain about something someone said on article regarding what someone said on twitter...

morvoran · Sep 12, 2019

notimp said:
I mean - "Are red caps the new red scare? What do you feel?" doesnt hold any value for political discussion (discourse) neither does "Trumps sharpie antics".

I agree with your point that this story may not hold any value for political discourse, same as "sharpiegate" which was a hoax and a distraction by CNN.
This is why I don't understand why people have issues with somebody posting news stories that involve politically charged matter in the politics section. It wasn't to bash anyone. It was to share a weird political news story such as "batboy impregnates Hillary Clinton in shocking new scandal". The lady just happened to be a liberal.
The reason it was political (and crazy) is because the lady connected all red hats to the MAGA hats.

Not all political discussions have to be serious.

tinkle · Sep 12, 2019

morvoran said:
which was a hoax and a distraction by CNN

Prove it. We can wait. Go on, scamper away, little alt-rightie.

WD_GASTER2 · Sep 12, 2019

morvoran said:
This is why I don't understand why people have issues with somebody posting news stories that involve politically charged matter in the politics section.

Not all political discussions have to be serious.

you can certainly do so, just dont expect quality discourse from it.

morvoran · Sep 12, 2019

tinkle said:
Prove it. We can wait. Go on, scamper away, little alt-rightie.

Even though it's against my better judgement, especially after you shared my "incel" secret with the world ( shame on you!!!), here you go:
Source: Google search (maybe try it yourself sometime)
"Yet NOAA has now sided with the president. “From Wednesday, August 28, through Monday, September 2, the information provided by NOAA and the National Hurricane Center to President Trump and the wider public demonstrated that tropical-storm-force winds from Hurricane Dorian could impact Alabama,” its statement said. “The Birmingham National Weather Service’s Sunday morning tweet spoke in absolute terms that were inconsistent with probabilities from the best forecast products available at the time.”"

Even though Alabama was not hit, Trump was mislead by his advisors. He didn't purposely lie on his own.

WD_GASTER2 said:
you can certainly do so, just dont expect quality discourse from it.

oh, I don't expect any quality, trust me. I just don't get it because I, sometimes and quite foolishly, think better of other people.

tinkle · Sep 12, 2019

NOAA is a segment of the government with its head appointed by Trump. And weather agencies everywhere have slammed Trump for politicizing the weather. Try again, sweetie!

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