I think you'll find it was 'standardised' from various versions that were floating around 12 or so years after the death of the prophet by Kalipha Uthman.
Now about that never edited claim
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I think you'll find it was 'standardised' from various versions that were floating around 12 or so years after the death of the prophet by Kalipha Uthman.
Now about that never edited claim
They're not all 'bibles' >_>, they're different books for different religions gathered in different ways. It is possible that some are true some aren't. It's possible that none are true. They're different, they're not all 'the bible' (e.g. the muslim book is called the quran, and has nothing to do with the bible)
Its slightly humours how the anti religous people really have no logic or backing to any of their arguments, they are just putting personal feelings and scarcasim mixed with crazy ilogical ideas, and tossing them up in the air.  When they are shot down they go, ah oh well who cares anyway.
I guess thats the truth isnt it. If you have no faith. You have no hope. Nothing to look foward to. So who cares. You can say what you want, and it doesnt matter if it makes since. When you die in your mind you compleatly dissapear.
It's slightly humorous how religious zealots really can't read a whole thread, or even proof-read their own posts, they are just putting flamebait posts and incorrectly-spelled words along with the open admittance of a psychological disease (imaginary friends in the skyyyy...)
And when they are shot down they go, ah, oh, well, your life sucks, you have no hope, nothing to look forward to.
God gave you a brain. Start using it!
I suggest you stop mocking people for beleiving in god, or you'll probably get flamed
Edit: I'm not 'threatening' you or anything, just giving you a heads up.
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Actually, it's not a secret that the christian old testament is an evolution of the torah, and that the quran's beginning shares everything with the torah save for a few differences is names (Mosche->Moussa, for example). They each worship the same god with minor differences aside. I don't know why this is even argued about. This is not my opinion, it is a fact!
PS : I wish people posted with a bit of correct grammar, but I seriously think we should encourage people to read correctly. I dunno, a "READ SLOWLY" rule?
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Yes, I understand that. The origins of tigers and cats are the same, but they are now completely different in both appearance and behaviour...
- Sam
i just had a nasty experience with an antireligious nut...
i hate these people, they try to bully you out their beliefs.
I just dont get that, if you dont believe in god, why is everyone who does a moron?
I find atheism just a big word.. How can someone just believe that their life is their own and that their existence is just a fluke?
I do respect their right to do whatever the hell they want yet they keep trying to bully me out of my own religion(not all atheist btw)
I get that whenever someone says "join our religion" it sounds more like "jooooiiiiin uuuuusss or burn forever in the fires of hell" but you have to know that this is how people live their lives.
just like emos and just like chavs and any other stereotype, ITS THEIR LIFE and all you can do is sigh and ignore because no matter how hard you try, anyone with values isnt going to leave them as easily as that, so please stop with the retarded spam about how you say that theres a giant dick floating in space and noone can prove you wrong so youre right(just an example). People pray for the comfort that there is someone watching out for them and protecting them where no one else can.
little kids believe in santa claus just for the joy of the holiday and making it that much more special. Is it our job to go to them and tell them theyre retarded and that santa claus isnt real?
No. we let them figure it out for themselves.
so let religious people find out for themselves too then...
and as a muslim i can say that even if i find out that there is no afterlife or something like that, i wont have any regrets because i know i lived a good life and so far i wouldnt change anything.
i wouldnt drink, i wouldnt smoke, and i sure as hell wouldnt become as cynic as you are(anti religious nut).
P.S.: ace gunman, your attempts at putting this topic back off topic are great
i hate these people, they try to bully you out their beliefs.
I just dont get that, if you dont believe in god, why is everyone who does a moron?
I find atheism just a big word.. How can someone just believe that their life is their own and that their existence is just a fluke?
I do respect their right to do whatever the hell they want yet they keep trying to bully me out of my own religion(not all atheist btw)
I get that whenever someone says "join our religion" it sounds more like "jooooiiiiin uuuuusss or burn forever in the fires of hell" but you have to know that this is how people live their lives.
just like emos and just like chavs and any other stereotype, ITS THEIR LIFE and all you can do is sigh and ignore because no matter how hard you try, anyone with values isnt going to leave them as easily as that, so please stop with the retarded spam about how you say that theres a giant dick floating in space and noone can prove you wrong so youre right(just an example). People pray for the comfort that there is someone watching out for them and protecting them where no one else can.
little kids believe in santa claus just for the joy of the holiday and making it that much more special. Is it our job to go to them and tell them theyre retarded and that santa claus isnt real?
No. we let them figure it out for themselves.
so let religious people find out for themselves too then...
and as a muslim i can say that even if i find out that there is no afterlife or something like that, i wont have any regrets because i know i lived a good life and so far i wouldnt change anything.
i wouldnt drink, i wouldnt smoke, and i sure as hell wouldnt become as cynic as you are(anti religious nut).
P.S.: ace gunman, your attempts at putting this topic back off topic are great
I assume your talking about the criticism of religion, people have every right to talk about anything they may want to. If you find it offensive, don't listen, just like how I change the channel every time fox news is on. If your faith is weak enough to be rattled by people trying to "bully you" then you must have already been doubtful of your own beliefs. The opposite is also true, religious people trying to convert atheists, it happens more frequently but of course that is excused because everyone knows they are just trying to save usQUOTE said:
I wish we weren't on a forum and just all talking so I could express the gigantic volume of thoughts I have on this subject. But, let me condense it into as succinct a summary as a I can:
The universe is an incredible place, and the complexities of it and of those of life on earth just seem to incredible to have just happened by chance. Take for example, the properties of water. If almost everything couldn't dissolve in it (hence it's name the universal solvent) life could not exist.
BUT then again, I could have said life AS WE KNOW IT could not exist. Perhaps some other form of life would have arisen? BUT, then why didn't it? We could be coexisting, or there could be proof that it existed once before but died out.
Another reason I sort of believe in the idea of a god but not in any religion is because looking at religion, you see the stupidity of humanity at it's worst. Death, destruction, hatred, all caused by peoples' radical beliefs about the afterlife and how life was created. Why so many religions preach peace and righteousness but practive violence, deception, lying, pedophelia (Catholic priests stun me...), etc. is just over my head.
I think the idea of GOD is a good one. Something you believe in (it has been proven time and time again that belief that SOMETHING is looking after you, no matter how unfounded that belief may be, makes you a MUCH HAPPIER, SATISFIED person, and extends LIFE). I don't really believe in anything, though.
Ok, damn. I'm just going to stop now, because I doubt any of this crap I just said makes any sense, as I'm just letting the ideas flow out of my head. This issue is one that I'm definitely not sure about, and I'm sure that's the case for 99.9% of humanity, if not EVERYONE.
The universe is an incredible place, and the complexities of it and of those of life on earth just seem to incredible to have just happened by chance. Take for example, the properties of water. If almost everything couldn't dissolve in it (hence it's name the universal solvent) life could not exist.
BUT then again, I could have said life AS WE KNOW IT could not exist. Perhaps some other form of life would have arisen? BUT, then why didn't it? We could be coexisting, or there could be proof that it existed once before but died out.
Another reason I sort of believe in the idea of a god but not in any religion is because looking at religion, you see the stupidity of humanity at it's worst. Death, destruction, hatred, all caused by peoples' radical beliefs about the afterlife and how life was created. Why so many religions preach peace and righteousness but practive violence, deception, lying, pedophelia (Catholic priests stun me...), etc. is just over my head.
I think the idea of GOD is a good one. Something you believe in (it has been proven time and time again that belief that SOMETHING is looking after you, no matter how unfounded that belief may be, makes you a MUCH HAPPIER, SATISFIED person, and extends LIFE). I don't really believe in anything, though.
Ok, damn. I'm just going to stop now, because I doubt any of this crap I just said makes any sense, as I'm just letting the ideas flow out of my head. This issue is one that I'm definitely not sure about, and I'm sure that's the case for 99.9% of humanity, if not EVERYONE.
I find religion a big hoax. Something to keep people in line, also something that was used in the past to get people through the day. However, like children, we should grow out of that. (Do you still believe in Santa Claus?) In order to progress, we should get out of the stupid religious dogmatism. Prime example is the United States, where 50% of the population claims to believe in God and they take it literally. Where the United States use to be one of the greatest nation in terms of schooling i.e. mathematics and science, we are now last. It's not surprising when religious nut cases want to set up government programs to fund their religion, even if it's against the law, or try to put religion into science where it doesn't belong.
Also, it's interesting how this topic even started. With the posting of that image. If someone had posted say Jews burning in a concentration camp and made fun of it, I'd bet it would have been closed down ASAP because people find it offense. Basically, it's okay to offend people who don't believe in a God, but not the other way around.
BTW, as an atheists I don't go around trying to convert people out of religion, but I do defend myself against it or when atheism gets a bad call, that's really the only time I even talk about atheism.
STORY
A skeptic is about to enter the forest to conduct a scientific study of great importance. Just as he begins his hike, he is met by a six-year-old boy who frantically warns, "Mister! Don't go into those woods on account of there's a monster that lives there and he'll eat you for lunch!"
The skeptic condescendingly pats the boy's head and smugly explains that there are no such things as monsters, and then he enters the woods and promptly gets eaten by a bear.
ANALYSIS
Moral of the joke: The skeptic is smart enough to know that there are no such things as monsters but dumb enough not to take heed. Like the boy, Christians are attempting to describe that which they can't fully comprehend.
Interested ppl can read this debate
The 2002 Great Debate
A skeptic is about to enter the forest to conduct a scientific study of great importance. Just as he begins his hike, he is met by a six-year-old boy who frantically warns, "Mister! Don't go into those woods on account of there's a monster that lives there and he'll eat you for lunch!"
The skeptic condescendingly pats the boy's head and smugly explains that there are no such things as monsters, and then he enters the woods and promptly gets eaten by a bear.
ANALYSIS
Moral of the joke: The skeptic is smart enough to know that there are no such things as monsters but dumb enough not to take heed. Like the boy, Christians are attempting to describe that which they can't fully comprehend.
Interested ppl can read this debate
The 2002 Great Debate
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In what ways. I would have included Judaism instead of Hinduism, because those three religions only have one god and share origins...Islam, Christianity and Hinduism are similar. That much is trueÂ
Also, Hinduism dates back to before Christianity was around.
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The highest written authorities in Hinduism are the Vedas of which there are four chief ones: Rig-Veda, Sama-Veda, Atharva-Veda, and Yajur-Veda.
These books prophezise the birth and death of Christ.
Virgin Birth of Christ
Atharnava Veda 13-3-4
Koumaro loko ajanishta' putrah nwarvhethan wai uttaravoth
[Translation: A son will be born to a virgin in this world, take ye hold that (son) is what is superior (than everyone).]
Rig Veda 355-1
[no transcription given] . . . ' born in a cattle shed'
Mahapurana Book 3. Chapter in 34 verses [?]
Ko bhavaanithi tham praaha Sobhovaachamudaanwitha:
Eshaputhram cha maam idhi Kumaareegarbha samahavam Aham easa Maseeha nama Bhavishya
[Translation: (King Saka asked ) " May I know who you are ?" That man replied happily "I am the son of God born to a virgin. My name is Easa maseeha"]
The relevant Bible verses:
Luke 2:11-12
"Today in the town of David a Savior has been born to you; he is Christ the Lord. This will be a sign to you: You will find a baby wrapped in cloths and lying in a manger."
Isaiah 17:14
Therefore the Lord himself will give you [plural] a sign: The virgin [*] will be with child and will give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel.
Matthew 1:23
"The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel"--which means, "God with us."
Christ's Sacrifice
The sacrificial victim is to be crowned with a crown made of thorny vines (Rig Veda X:90:15, and Bruhadaranyakopanishad III:9:28)
His hands and legs are to be bound to a yoopa causing bloodshed (Ithareya Brahmanam 2 : 6)
None of His bones must be broken (Yajurveda XXXI)
Before death he should be given a drink of somarasa (Ithareya Brahmanam)
The very next verse [of item 1] (Rig Veda X:90:16) goes like this: Thamevam Vidwanamrutha iha bhavathy Nanya pandha ayanaya vidya
[Translation: "Those who meditate and attain this man, believe in heart and chant with their lips, get liberated in this world itself and there is no other way of salvation."]
The corleating scripture passage:
Romans 10:8-10
But what does it say? "The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart," [Deut. 30:14] that is, the word of faith we are proclaiming: That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved.
Apologize for making it this long. Since u asked ...
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You're not comparing the genocide of the second world war to a silly picture with a joke about atheism right? Seriously, it's alright to make fun out of people's religions or their lack off. If it had been a joke about a christian instead I doubt this topic would've been deleted.
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Oh, but what a wonderful fluke
I don't care what people believe as long as they don't try to force it on to me. Most people don't, but there are some big religious nuts out there. I may disagree with all organized religion, but if it works for you, go for it. Just don't kill any people along the way because of it.
My life has meaning and purpose without a need for religion to justify my existence. I understand religion gives people strength in life which is a wonderful thing. But I don't need it nor believe in it.
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How can someone just believe that their life is their own and that their existence is just a fluke?
Oh, but what a wonderful fluke
I don't care what people believe as long as they don't try to force it on to me. Most people don't, but there are some big religious nuts out there. I may disagree with all organized religion, but if it works for you, go for it. Just don't kill any people along the way because of it.
My life has meaning and purpose without a need for religion to justify my existence. I understand religion gives people strength in life which is a wonderful thing. But I don't need it nor believe in it.
I feel the same way as Opium on this one. I'm not really the religious sort, but I find nothing wrong with it. It's when someone forces it on me that I dislike. For example there was a member of this forum, we talked on MSN frequently, nice guy. But the topic of religion would somehow come up almost every time we spoke, and each time he'd try to convert me to his way of thinking. I didn't care if he didn't agree with my views, I just wanted him to accept that I had them. Either way, because of that he and I grew apart, and now we rarely, if ever talk. Nice guy too, just a shame some people can't accept that other people have different views.
Can you not read? are you so stupid that you missed the very first thing that I said - your lot are as idiotic as the religios nuts. I have no deity driven anything.
go back to worshiping your text book, you may find a life at the end of it.
And you. :> Compassion on a technology webforum, I'm amazed. I also agree with pretty much everything you say in that post (well, except for any more children. I've enough thanks =] ) - you've summed up how I feel without me having to type anything out - thanks.Until we recognize that we are linked to them intimately (if it be evolution or a common creator) and stop thinking of them as objects that we own but individuals like us.
Probably the most sensible thing I've ever read on gbatemp - you make me smile, have a cookie.. =]
I care. I hope to make a difference, however small, in this world. I hope people will be more accepting of each other even if they have a religious dispute. I hope we will be more careful with both this world, the other animals living on this world and each others lives. I look forward to having children, to continue sharing my life with the ones I love, to continue trying to make the ones I love happy. I don't need religion for any of that. If I die, I die. I'll see what happens then. For me what happens to me after I die, has nothing to do with the way I stand in this world.
I care. Just not about god(s).
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