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Atheism has only come to be because there is not a single viable shred of evidence proving god's existence.

However, every scientific advancement thus far has never supported what the bible says to be true. On top of that, some advancements contradicts the bible itself.

Holding religion to self in a passive manner is completely fine. However, being a zealous idiot is not.
Again, zealous atheism is also wrong. Those who believe that every person who has faith are complete idiots are also wrong.

Science has yet to prove anything. Laws of physics relies more on kinematics, and are having a rather hard time on dynamics. The worst part is to this day, no physicists or chemists can prove why things work the way they do. The best they can do is dynamics. For those of us who freely believe, we do not go strictly by that book, we borrow the good teachings of the book such as moral values and such.
 

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im a nihilist I BELIEVE IN NOTHING ! lol


ni·hil·ism audio (n-lzm, n-) KEY

NOUN:

1. Philosophy
1. An extreme form of skepticism that denies all existence.
2. A doctrine holding that all values are baseless and that nothing can be known or communicated.
2. Rejection of all distinctions in moral or religious value and a willingness to repudiate all previous theories of morality or religious belief.
3. The belief that destruction of existing political or social institutions is necessary for future improvement.
4. also Nihilism A diffuse, revolutionary movement of mid 19th-century Russia that scorned authority and tradition and believed in reason, materialism, and radical change in society and government through terrorism and assassination.
5. Psychiatry A delusion, experienced in some mental disorders, that the world or one's mind, body, or self does not exist.
 

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Cheers Westside, some very good points.


Jesus was a really awesome dude. Helping out everyone he could and being nice to everyone..he probably smoked marijuana too
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I don't confine myself to one religion I make up my own based on my own values and that sort of thing.

I think the catholic church need to take a closer look at Jesus. For instance he wouldn't see anything wrong with gay people and he believed in treating people the way you'd like to be treated. Lots of catholics seem to have lost their way in that sense. I don't think he'd believe in taking the bible literately either! It's just a bunch of stories where you're meant to figure out the lesson, not a set of rigid rules.

Totally respect whatever anyone else chooses though, as long as they don't impose their beliefs on others.

Well that was a random post. Enjoy.
 

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Atheists are as freaky as the religious nuts imo. they all have their own little agenda they like to push.

a good 85% of atheists I've ever met have been big believers in science too which is just religion for the modern times.


Nihilism has always interested me, and I've known a few goffs who are (or at least claim to be) nihilists. more power to them I say, even if in its traditional forms it isn't for me.
 

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Explain exactly why science is a religion? With science, if you find any proof that contradicts what science already knows, science itself will change. In fact, science is always changing. I also find it odd that people like to distance themselves away from science but are willing to put up with the things that come out of it. Like the computer one uses for example, or going to the hospital for vaccine shots. Bash it like it's an unwanted step-child only to go beg it for money when it hits the lottery.
 

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Atheism has only come to be because there is not a single viable shred of evidence proving god's existence.

However, every scientific advancement thus far has never supported what the bible says to be true. On top of that, some advancements contradicts the bible itself.

1) Science only explains "How" not 'Why"

2)If there is no God we have to say that this happened by chance. But, before you think that is a straightforward explanation, let's look at what would be involved.

If we decide that the first life to occur was a self-replicating cell, we have accepted that something extremely improbable happened. The probability of the spontaneous production of just the 200 enzymes necessary for such a cell has been calculated as 1 in 10^40,000. That is 1 in 10 with 40,000 zeroes after it. This is a massive figure especially when compared with the largest estimate of the life of the universe (under the Big-Bang theory) which is around 10^17 seconds. So then, for there to have been just one step from lifeless chemicals to the simplest form of life known, it means that an event with the probability of 1 in 10^40,000 happened in 10^17 seconds.

"That is about as ridiculous and improbable as the proposition that a tornado, blowing through a junkyard, could assemble a Boeing 747." Sir Fred Hoyle
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Explain exactly why science is a religion?
It has a hierarchy, it's primarily used now (although I'll agree not always) to make money for the moneyed, and to take money from the poor (oh look, more results from a scientist that confirm what the people paying his funding want found).

It's also blindly followed by people (your average person in the street) who'll oooh and aaah at the things they see in the media that science will do for them in xx amount of years (most of which never materialise), the scientists are of course receiving massive funding (both out of public money and from private corporations). How is that different from preachers in the past promising people will goto heaven if they pay 10% of their wages to the church?

One is offering to better this life if you'll just throw them some extra money, the other a better life in the next.


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With science, if you find any proof that contradicts what science already knows, science itself will change.
I've never seen proof that the theory of evolution is any more true than that crazy creationist theory - but scientists still parrot it like it's fact.

There have been lots of studies that haven't found what the drugs companies wanted them to find so results have been massaged (just look at thalidomide, and thats not the only drug - people are maimed and dying so big-pharma can make ever more profits).


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I also find it odd that people like to distance themselves away from science but are willing to put up with the things that come out of it. Like the computer one uses for example
people put up with lots they don't like, thats the curse of the modern world. At least the computer could be useful in the overthrowing of the dominant power structures currently in place (which are supported by science).

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or going to the hospital for vaccine shots.
why do you assume people goto hospital for vaccines? some of us can live life without medical treatment you know, it's not a vital necessity.

In the oldene days people would "bash" the religions of the time, and then use them as protection.

When fighting against an incumbent you'll use anything you can get. including the powers, protections and inventions of an enemy.
 

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Explain exactly why science is a religion? With science, if you find any proof that contradicts what science already knows, science itself will change. In fact, science is always changing. I also find it odd that people like to distance themselves away from science but are willing to put up with the things that come out of it. Like the computer one uses for example, or going to the hospital for vaccine shots. Bash it like it's an unwanted step-child only to go beg it for money when it hits the lottery.
Nothing is wrong with Science, again what he is saying is the people who follow it religiously. Idiots who think that they proved something using discoveries of real scientists. Scientists who made discoveries about what life is admits that they know of what but will always have a hard time on why. Before scientists prove both sides of the equation, these idiots use them as proofs to fend off others. Can you explain why momentum and inertia works the way they do? What drives things (especially inorganic) to form the way they are? Scientists are great, but don't blindly missuse discoveries for proofs.
@TGBoy Outstanding reasoning. Is it completely impossible that there is an exterior influence on this?
 

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"That is about as ridiculous and improbable as the proposition that a tornado, blowing through a junkyard, could assemble a Boeing 747."Â Sir Fred HoyleÂ
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But surely if the universe is infinite (or just very, very big) then everything has to have happened at every point at sometime during the course of history. That means that somewhere, at sometime, I am a n00b
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- Sam
 

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"That is about as ridiculous and improbable as the proposition that a tornado, blowing through a junkyard, could assemble a Boeing 747."Â Sir Fred HoyleÂ
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But surely if the universe is infinite (or just very, very big) then everything has to have happened at every point at sometime during the course of history. That means that somewhere, at sometime, I am a n00b
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- Sam
Again, the infinity of Universe is yet to be PROVEN, it is a theory. Mathematicians are going crazy, because infinity does not exists as a single entity, it takes on many forms rather. Negative and positive is the most basic. Even with absolute values, there are still many examples. There are infinite amount of integers, there are infinite amount of Real numbers, there are more Real numbers than Integers, are they still the same infinity?
 

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What I find weird is that only humans believe in religion. I mean u don't see a bird flying into a church for prayer on sundays.

So if there is a God wouldn't everything he created worship him.

I just wonder what religion aliens practice, cause if there is a similarity with one of ours we would find the right religion right?

But that's if Aliens exist.
 

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I'm just hoping now that some people have gone through college, or university for our friends overseas, and understand that scientific theory is not layman's theory. For example, the theory of evolution in scientific terms is a theory because it's based on many different smaller different facts from a variety of different fields i.e. paleontology, genetics, geology, etc. Same with the theory of gravity or germ theory. In terms of physics, is given in proof by mathematics.

Theory of evolution at work = pesticide resilient insects.
 

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I'm just hoping now that some people have gone through college, or university for our friends overseas, and understand that scientific theory is not layman's theory. For example, the theory of evolution in scientific terms is a theory because it's based on many different smaller different facts from a variety of different fields i.e. paleontology, genetics, geology, etc. Same with the theory of gravity or germ theory. In terms of physics, is given in proof by mathematics.

Theory of evolution at work = pesticide resilient insects.
Who said evolution is wrong? However, why would scientists themselves call it a theory? The reason being that it suggests that human and all life originated from random chemical which even scientists are having a hard time believing by chance became organic. That's the part of evolution that is questioned. However, it is not entirely impossible, just like how the influential being or factor (that can be called this god that we refer to) on evolution is not entirely impossible.
 

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Evolution is easily the best theory we have compared to creationism and such.

You guys see so many benefits of science. Our life expectancy has doubled because of the advancements made in that area. Your grandmother or parents are probably alive because of science.


Science also feeds the poor. Genetically modifying wheat crops and the like to produce more wheat in a shorter amount of time in poor conditions without needing as much water.
 

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