Can We Stop With The Name Calling Already ...

Lacius · Jun 15, 2019

cots said:
Well, under the WHO it's only going to be a mental illness until after the changes take effect in 2022, but before then and up until a few days ago it was still classified as a disorder.

The DSM-V reclassified transgenderism into a lessor category, but it's still classified and they didn't get rid of it (in the DSM-IV it was a more server illness - now it's a less severe illness)

I can't help if you deny facts. I can't fix stupid.

If you're going to conflate gender nonconformity with gender dysphoria, you will continue to make these mistakes. Being transgender is not a mental disorder.

SG854 · Jun 15, 2019

Transsexualism and Transgenderism are different.

Dysphoria is a mental disorder not transgenderism as far as I’m aware.

Proper screening is needed to see if someone is not suffering from some other mental illness that outwardly appears as gender dysphoria. Like autism, if they get the transgender idea stuck in their head they might obsess over it and make it seem they had it all their life when really they didn’t. And treating them for autism rather then transgender would be better.

The recent Dysphoria, Rapid Onset Dysphoria has a social contagion aspect and most likely someone with depression or some other mental illness besides gender dysphoria, mostly females, are likely to get it. And treating their mental illness/depression rather then treating transgender is better. That’s why proper screening is needed see exactly what’s really going on. If it’s actual transgenderism or something else.

For some reason girls more then males are likely to get these mental illnesses. Like the Witch trials they killed women to protect little girls that had weird seizures, or Recovered Memories epidemic they jailed fathers they thought was raping their daughters because of recovered memories from little girls that didn’t exist that was pushed by therapists (human brain is susceptible to having false memories implanted, which is why eye witness testimony is the worst kind of evidence), or now with Rapid Onset Gender Dysphoria pushed by society and online community’s gives people groups they can follow to praise and push this.

AmandaRose · Jun 15, 2019

SG854 said:
Transsexualism and Transgenderism are different.

Dysphoria is a mental disorder not transgenderism as far as I’m aware.

Proper screening is needed to see if someone is not suffering from some other mental illness that outwardly appears as gender dysphoria. Like autism, if they get the transgender idea stuck in their head they might obsess over it and make it seem they had it all their life when really they didn’t. And treating them for autism rather then transgender would be better.

The recent Dysphoria, Rapid Onset Dysphoria has a social contagion aspect and most likely someone with depression or some other mental illness besides gender dysphoria, mostly females, are likely to get it. And treating their mental illness/depression rather then treating transgender is better. That’s why proper screening is needed see exactly what’s really going on. If it’s actual transgenderism or something else.

For some reason girls more then males are likely to get these mental illnesses. Like the Witch trials they killed women to protect little girls that had weird seizures, or Recovered Memories epidemic they jailed fathers they thought was raping their daughters because of recovered memories from little girls that didn’t exist that was pushed by therapists (human brain is susceptible to having false memories implanted, which is why eye witness testimony is the worst kind of evidence), or now with Rapid Onset Gender Dysphoria pushed by society and online community’s gives people groups they can follow to praise and push this.

I agree with most of what you said and that is why I previously said in this thread that you here in Scotland need to go through a minimum of two years of screening to prove you don't have a mental illness before even being considered for GRS.

cots · Jun 15, 2019

Lacius said:
If you're going to conflate gender nonconformity with gender dysphoria, you will continue to make these mistakes. Being transgender is not a mental disorder.

Both encompass transgender people. I'm not confusing anything, you're trying to interpret the facts they way you want to, not the way they were written. The WHO article is a clear example, it states that it was a mental disorder and now is not going to be considered one any longer. So you can use it as an example of why it's not considered a mental disorder and I can use it as an example of why it used to be called a mental disorder and won't officially be recognized until 2022.

AmandaRose said:
Must used quotes out of the transphobic handbook.

1. It's a mental disorder

2. I don't want my taxes

3. Biologically you are not a woman

I didn't define it as a mental disorder, just stating facts, nor do I care if someone is mentally ill to begin with. My taxes are used to fund anything that the Government does. If the Government is paying for people to transition then they are using my money. There are two sexes and a rare genetic mutation that results in the two being mixed somehow. There aren't 3 or more different sexes, there is two. You either have one or the other reproductive parts. That's biology. I agree you can identify as a pink giraffe and in your mind you may believe you are, but it doesn't change you original sex you were born as.

This thread got me over the fact that I will be faced with transgender people trying to control me and make me believe what they do and if not will shame me or try to have my views censored by calling me transphobic, but I've gotten over it. Call me it all you want - doesn't change the fact that I'm not transphobic and you're not going to silence me.

SG854 · Jun 16, 2019

AmandaRose said:
I agree with most of what you said and that is why I previously said in this thread that you here in Scotland need to go through a minimum of two years of screening to prove you don't have a mental illness before even being considered for GRS.

This is why people need to proceed with it by caution and question when someone claims they are transgender. Once you put them on cross hormones or get surgical treatment there’s no going back.

IDK, now that I think about it, maybe I care too much about this topic. I got caught up in it from the Feminist debate. So I tried to learn all aspects of gender for that reason. I’m not Trans, Gay, LGBT or any of that stuff so it doesn’t affect or concern me. I just like learning how life works I guess. I learn about a fishes circulatory system. It’s doesn’t affect me and I’m not a marine biologist so it’s useless information but I still learn out of interest. It’s the same with the trans topic. I guess it’s useful information for being skeptical when someone claims they are trans, I’m aware that it might be some other mental illness instead or not.

Lacius · Jun 16, 2019

cots said:
Both encompass transgender people.

I suggest you do some research, because they are not synonyms. I guess it goes to show you that prejudice is often born from ignorance.

Xzi · Jun 16, 2019

SG854 said:
IDK, now that I think about it, maybe I care too much about this topic. I got caught up in it from the Feminist debate. So I tried to learn all aspects of gender for that reason. I’m not Trans, Gay, LGBT or any of that stuff so it doesn’t affect or concern me.

A good realization to have.

MadMageKefka · Jun 16, 2019

Lacius said:
Because that depends on one's interpretation.

Again, there's no "interpreting" a penis or vagina. It either is or isn't. Until you show me something that is neither, the answer is a solid and obvious "no."

AmandaRose · Jun 16, 2019

cots said:
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This thread got me over the fact that I will be faced with transgender people trying to control me and make me believe what they do and if not will shame me or try to have my views censored by calling me transphobic, but I've gotten over it. Call me it all you want - doesn't change the fact that I'm not transphobic and you're not going to silence me.

You are such a hypocrite and don't even realise it do you? You keep banging on about being controlled by transgender people when the whole point of your thread was to control transgender peoples rights to call someone transphobic when they are being transphobic. You keep saying you won't be silenced while trying to silence others. You also keep saying you are not transphobic while making constant transpobic comments. Take a look at this link and notice how you made comments that are clearly defined transphobic. You have done point 1 and 2 and 3 and 9 and probably more all in this thread.

https://www.anunnakiray.com/2017/08...ueerphobia-intersexphobia-and-homophobia/amp/

You don't want to be labelled as transphobic then stop making transphobic comments.

Lacius · Jun 16, 2019

MadMageKefka said:
Again, there's no "interpreting" a penis or vagina. It either is or isn't. Until you show me something that is neither, the answer is a solid and obvious "no."

If there's no room for interpretation, and it either is or isn't, then my answer to your original question would be a yes, not a no.

cots · Jun 16, 2019

AmandaRose said:
You are such a hypocrite and don't even realise it do you? You keep banging on about being controlled by transgender people when the whole point of your thread was to control transgender peoples rights to call someone transphobic when they are being transphobic. You keep saying you won't be silenced while trying to silence others. You also keep saying you are not transphobic while making constant transpobic comments. Take a look at this link and notice how you made comments that are clearly defined transphobic. You have done point 1 and 2 and 3 and 9 and probably more all in this thread.

https://www.anunnakiray.com/2017/08...ueerphobia-intersexphobia-and-homophobia/amp/

You don't want to be labelled as transphobic then stop making transphobic comments.

I'm not trying to control anyone. You can continue to try to silence me by calling me names, but it isn't going to work because I'm not being phobic and am glad I discovered the truth.

AmandaRose · Jun 16, 2019

cots said:
I'm not trying to control anyone. You can continue to try to silence me by calling me names, but it isn't going to work because I'm not being phobic and am glad I discovered the truth.

Your whole thread is about getting people to stop calling you transphobic when you clearly use transphobic comments as I have demonstrated above in my previous post that had the link in it.

Also trying to stop people saying you are transhopic is a form of control. You previously stated about your right to freedom of speach yet are trying to stop others having the right to freedom of speach.

Why are you allowed freedom of speach but when someone else says something that does not fit to you agenda then you try and stop them from using it?

cots · Jun 16, 2019

AmandaRose said:
Your whole thread is about getting people to stop calling you transphobic when you clearly use transphobic comments as I have demonstrated above in my previous post that had the link in it.

Also trying to stop people saying you are transhopic is a form of control. You previously stated about your right to freedom of speach yet are trying to stop others having the right to freedom of speach.

Why are you allowed freedom of speach but when someone else says something that does not fit to you agenda then you try and stop them from using it?

I'd like people to not abuse the term and refuse to let them control me by doing so and encourage others to do the same. You're still free to abuse the term to force your beliefs and behavior on others, nothing is stopping you and I'm not going to stoop down to others level by trying to censor or otherwise control people abusing the term. I simply disagree and refuse to let it effect me anymore and if and when it happens again know that I'm not the one abusing anyone and also state that's what I believe. If then people continue to call me names or try to silence me know that I'm in the right.

MadMageKefka · Jun 16, 2019

Lacius said:
If there's no room for interpretation, and it either is or isn't, then my answer to your original question would be a yes, not a no.

Okay, well since you clearly can't seem to tell, we disagree on this point, so repeating yourself isn't gonna help. If you want to change my mind, stop giving me a half-assed explanation and SHOW me like I asked. For now I'll just assume you can't, and that it doesn't exist.

AmandaRose said:
Your whole thread is about getting people to stop calling you transphobic when you clearly use transphobic comments as I have demonstrated above in my previous post that had the link in it.

Also trying to stop people saying you are transhopic is a form of control. You previously stated about your right to freedom of speach yet are trying to stop others having the right to freedom of speach.

Why are you allowed freedom of speach but when someone else says something that does not fit to you agenda then you try and stop them from using it?

Okay.... you both realize the "freedom of speech" thing only applies to the government, right? It protects you from the GOVERNMENT punishing you for saying things they don't like. Freedom of speech has NOTHING to do with the public vs other members of the public. If you say something stupid in someone's store, for example, they still have every right to throw you out. Or say a forum moderator doesn't like something you said. They have the right to remove it. Seems like a lot of people here like to do this; take buzzwords, and conform them to better suit their agenda.

cots · Jun 16, 2019

MadMageKefka said:
Okay, well since you clearly can't seem to tell, we disagree on this point, so repeating yourself isn't gonna help. If you want to change my mind, stop giving me a half-assed explanation and SHOW me like I asked. For now I'll just assume you can't, and that it doesn't exist.

Okay.... you both realize the "freedom of speech" thing only applies to the government, right? It protects you from the GOVERNMENT punishing you for saying things they don't like. Freedom of speech has NOTHING to do with the public vs other members of the public. If you say something stupid in someone's store, for example, they still have every right to throw you out. Or say a forum moderator doesn't like something you said. They have the right to remove it. Seems like a lot of people here like to do this; take buzzwords, and conform them to better suit their agenda.

Indeed. I understand that trans people have been oppressed, but the solution doesn't involve trying to then oppress the others and twist words to try to force them to conform. You're doing the same thing you dislike and are going to cause friction.

Sort of like how Liberals find it perfectly okay to be racist against a certain skin color - that's not progress.

I filled out a government form a few months back that asked for your "assigned sex at birth" like somehow sugar coating the issue was solving anything. Sort of like calling something a different name because you don't like the original. It doesn't change the original name or meaning. You're either assigned as a Male or female at birth and in very rare cases hermaphrodites are born. I understand that someone might think they are not a male, but that doesn't change the fact they are. If so sex reassignment would be unnecessary as what would it matter if you have Male genitals if having them doesn't represent your sex?

To actually have the government pay for your therapy or transitioning requires you to have an illness otherwise it would just be cosmetic surgery and that's usually up to the person to pay for themselves. If you fight to have it no longer be categorized as an illness due to stigma then be prepared not to depend on me to pay for something that isn't wrong with you.

People seem to think because I state that it is an illness means I'm somehow against it. I don't hate skitzophrenic people because they are ill. I understand that some people discriminate against people with mental illness, but I'm not one of them. However, that doesn't mean I'm going to deny the fact it is an illness or start calling things different names to make someone who can't deal with criticism feel better. I'm not doing them or myself any favors by pandering to them. People need to learn how to deal with criticism in a constructive manner and not go all ape shit crazy because thier feelings got hurt. How about you learn how to deal with them instead of trying to simply avoid them in a non constructive and dangerous manner.

AmandaRose · Jun 16, 2019

@cots you keep saying you don't want your taxes used to treat transgender people right? But is it not fair to argue that the very same transgender people have also been paying taxes so they have the right to the treatment?

cots · Jun 16, 2019

AmandaRose said:
@cots you keep saying you don't want your taxes used to treat transgender people right? But is it not fair to argue that the very same transgender people have also been paying taxes so they have the right to the treatment?

So give me a refund and I'll call it even. Until that happens I will vote against the practice and support anything that limits my taxes being spent on something that you claim isn't an illness therefore shouldn't be a problem.

Unless it is an illness then I suppose it's okay. I don't agree with the treatment, but I also disagree with various other treatment methods for other illnesses.

I'm not going to pay for you to paint your car blue because you suddenly chose to stop liking its current color or never liked the original color.

Transgender people are free to pay for themselves and I'm sure they're also against some forms of government spending in which case they should also speak up and vote.

AmandaRose · Jun 16, 2019

cots said:
So give me a refund and I'll call it even. Until that happens I will vote against the practice and support anything that limits my taxes being spent on something that you claim isn't an illness therefore shouldn't be a problem.

I'm not going to pay for you to paint your car blue because you suddenly chose to stop liking its current color or never liked the original color.

Transgender people are free to pay for themselves and I'm sure they're also against some forms of government spending in which case they should also speak up and vote.

So do you say the same for drug addiction or alcoholism? Both of which are self inflicted or is it just tragenders you don't wish your taxes to be spent on?

MadMageKefka · Jun 17, 2019

cots said:
Indeed. I understand that trans people have been oppressed, but the solution doesn't involve trying to then oppress the others and twist words to try to force them to conform. You're doing the same thing you dislike and are going to cause friction.

Sort of like how Liberals find it perfectly okay to be racist against a certain skin color - that's not progress.

I filled out a government form a few months back that asked for your "assigned sex at birth" like somehow sugar coating the issue was solving anything. Sort of like calling something a different name because you don't like the original. It doesn't change the original name or meaning. You're either assigned as a Male or female at birth and in very rare cases hermaphrodites are born. I understand that someone might think they are not a male, but that doesn't change the fact they are. If so sex reassignment would be unnecessary as what would it matter if you have Male genitals if having them doesn't represent your sex?

To actually have the government pay for your therapy or transitioning requires you to have an illness otherwise it would just be cosmetic surgery and that's usually up to the person to pay for themselves. If you fight to have it no longer be categorized as an illness due to stigma then be prepared not to depend on me to pay for something that isn't wrong with you.

People seem to think because I state that it is an illness means I'm somehow against it. I don't hate skitzophrenic people because they are ill. I understand that some people discriminate against people with mental illness, but I'm not one of them. However, that doesn't mean I'm going to deny the fact it is an illness or start calling things different names to make someone who can't deal with criticism feel better. I'm not doing them or myself any favors by pandering to them. People need to learn how to deal with criticism in a constructive manner and not go all ape shit crazy because thier feelings got hurt. How about you learn how to deal with them instead of trying to simply avoid them in a non constructive and dangerous manner.

I was literally just commenting on the "freedom of speech" term being used. I didn't feel like scrolling back to find the first quote to mention it, so I said "you both." I agree with just about all your points.

cots · Jun 17, 2019

AmandaRose said:
So do you say the same for drug addiction or alcoholism? Both of which are self inflicted or is it just tragenders you don't wish your taxes to be spent on?

Drug addiction is usually a bad choice that spun out of control. According to some you don't have a choice when it comes to what gender you think you are which is weird because you develop your own identity over time and it's influenced by choices you've made and it can change due to you changing your mind (making a choice). Either way if both are an illness and are hurting people I think that using some of my taxes to help is okay. I also don't agree with chopping anything off as with the rejection possiblity (another choice) I'd feel bad for the person and in general and I think it's gross.

Overall if it's really a bad problem then I would gladly chip in those two instances.

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