Spine, a new PS4 emulator, can already run two commercial games

Ev1l0rd · Jun 11, 2019

Hrmm, dissapointed there's no source code to the emulator.

Mythical · Jun 11, 2019

Well then

D34DL1N3R · Jun 11, 2019

leon315 said:
The one showed at E3 seems promising, if i ever build another pc, i would definitely get Ryzen cpu!

I was talking gpu, but I'd have even less consideration for an AMD cpu than one of their gpu's. Haha.

chaoskagami · Jun 11, 2019

← This user was making an idiot of himself with the paragraph formerly here.

And while this is cool and all, source code would be nice. I'm sick of proprietary emulators.

Ericzander · Jun 12, 2019

chaoskagami said:
And while this is cool and all, source code would be nice. I'm sick of proprietary emulators.

Sorry to correct you, but because the PS4 is x86_64, this isn't considered a proprietary emulator. :/

It's a proprietary virtual machine.

Lucifer666 · Jun 12, 2019

smf said:
I want to see how well it runs on ps4 linux

this is evil I love it

DKAngel · Jun 12, 2019

chaoskagami said:
Raaaaargh. Stop calling PS4 "emulators" emulators. They're either virtual machines or compatibility layers. It's not an emulator if it doesn't do instruction set translation. The PS4 is x86_64, and that makes it not an emulator. Of course, that says nothing about how difficult it is to implement one, but it is not an emulator.

And while this is cool and all, source code would be nice. I'm sick of proprietary emulators.

Actualy it is an emulator - Emulate- match or surpass (a person or achievement), typically by imitation. / reproduce the function or action of (a different computer, software system, etc.).

still fits in that catagory.
its not a virtual machine not even close

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Ericzander said:
Sorry to correct you, but because the PS4 is x86_64, this isn't considered a proprietary emulator. :/

It's a proprietary virtual machine.

Virtual machine
Kind of software
Description
In computing, a virtual machine is an emulation of a computer system.

well its still emulation lol because thats exactly what a virtual machine is, its an emulator of a system

TheZander · Jun 12, 2019

I hope this ported to the switch i finally wouldn't have to carry my ps4 and games around just play them on the switch

DSoryu · Jun 12, 2019

TheZander said:
I hope this ported to the switch i finally wouldn't have to carry my ps4 and games around just play them on the switch

You like to honor the statement in your signature huh? LOL

chaoskagami · Jun 12, 2019

Ericzander said:
Sorry to correct you, but because the PS4 is x86_64, this isn't considered a proprietary emulator. :/

It's a proprietary virtual machine.

Ahahaha. Okay, you got me there.

smf · Jun 12, 2019

chaoskagami said:
It's not an emulator if it doesn't do instruction set translation.

No, that isn't a true definition at all.

emulate has such a wide and vague definition. Old dot matrix printers had ibm or epson emulation, that just meant they could print the relevant escape sequences and character sets.

chaoskagami · Jun 12, 2019

smf said:
No, that isn't a true definition at all.

emulate has such a wide and vague definition. Old dot matrix printers had ibm or epson emulation, that just meant they could print the relevant escape sequences and character sets.

See, this is an interesting topic. To clarify, those printers likely translate the escape sequences internally from one spec to another. Therefore, they do in fact perform emulation.

This is the same reason a terminal emulator on linux is a terminal emulator - it emulates a teletype by implementing the relevant control codes in software.

But you're right, I suppose. The definition of an emulator is rather muddy. I suppose it'd be more accurate to call such a thing one term or another based on how it runs the PS4 software. But, well...this isn't open source, so I have no idea really. Orbital is more a virtual machine, however.

Pluupy · Jun 12, 2019

D34DL1N3R said:
I decided to give an AMD gpu a try with my last build. Nothing but problems. Never again. Problems that have been documented by plenty of people since it's release 6 yrs ago and have never been fixed in a single driver update. It's time for me to upgrade but it's not going to be AMD.

Talk about overreacting. Vague hyperbole. No specifics. Both Nvidia and AMD cards have plenty of issues. If you don't like AMD because of irrational tribalism pride, just say it. Don't claim the cards don't work, because they do. I have used both Nvidia and AMD since I was little and they both have their pros and cons, brand by brand, but never have they been completely shot. Stick to Gigabyte, EVGA, XFX, Sapphire, and MSI.

Ericzander · Jun 12, 2019

chaoskagami said:
Ahahaha. Okay, you got me there.

Didn't mean to make you edit your post, I just couldn't resist, haha.

chaoskagami · Jun 12, 2019

Ericzander said:
Didn't mean to make you edit your post, I just couldn't resist, haha.

Nah, s'okay. I was asking for that one. Sometimes it's fun to laugh at one's own stupidity.

kuwanger · Jun 12, 2019

leon315 said:
500buck 32gb ram

32GB RAM might only be ~$100. Beyond that, now that I have 32GB of RAM...I realize that 16GB was probably more than enough.

Deleted_413010 · Jun 12, 2019

When a developer pops out of nowhere and is doing better than the only other one known to exist

D34DL1N3R · Jun 12, 2019

Pluupy said:
Talk about overreacting. Vague hyperbole. No specifics. Both Nvidia and AMD cards have plenty of issues. If you don't like AMD because of irrational tribalism pride, just say it. Don't claim the cards don't work, because they do. I have used both Nvidia and AMD since I was little and they both have their pros and cons, brand by brand, but never have they been completely shot. Stick to Gigabyte, EVGA, XFX, Sapphire, and MSI.

Because I care what you think, why? Sorry that my opinions really bother you to the point of having to post that. Maybe the internet isn't the place for you.

Edit: When there's documented issues with AMD's entire 7900 series, which have gone unfixed for 6 years now.... yeah. I don't need to explain the specifics to you no matter how much you'd like me to. Don't like it? Tough. I especially have zero need to prove myself to a complete stranger online.

ChibiMofo · Jun 12, 2019

Pluupy said:
Talk about overreacting. Vague hyperbole. No specifics. Both Nvidia and AMD cards have plenty of issues. If you don't like AMD because of irrational tribalism pride, just say it. Don't claim the cards don't work, because they do. I have used both Nvidia and AMD since I was little and they both have their pros and cons, brand by brand, but never have they been completely shot. Stick to Gigabyte, EVGA, XFX, Sapphire, and MSI.

Do not pretend that AMD graphics card issues are not an order or magnitude larger than Nvidia's. There's a reason AMD can't charge the same price for the same level of performance. And there's a reason people who pay attention stopped buying anything but Nvidia cards years ago. Wanna save a few bucks and deal with ATI's drivers? Feel free. But don't come to a forum like this and try to say that both companies have issues as if they have them equally.
#rejected

chaoskagami · Jun 12, 2019

1MiinMofo said:
Do not pretend that AMD graphics card issues are not an order or magnitude larger than Nvidia's. There's a reason AMD can't charge the same price for the same level of performance. And there's a reason people who pay attention stopped buying anything but Nvidia cards years ago. Wanna save a few bucks and deal with ATI's drivers? Feel free. But don't come to a forum like this and try to say that both companies have issues as if they have them equally.
#rejected

The crux of your argument seems to be drivers. The AMD Windows drivers do in fact suck. However, that shouldn't be blamed on hardware. After all, the FOSS radeon drivers on Linux kick the proprietary ones arse in pretty much every way and actually outperform the Windows drivers. You have only yourself to blame for expecting Windows drivers to behave themselves. I mean, it's Windows - you know - the OS that BSoD's if you leave it running for more than four days.

Also, lower performance has never been an issue. It's a shortcoming, sure. But an issue? No.

By the way, you're not making your argument any more solid by dumping hashtags at the end of your post. This isn't twitter.

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