Shenmue III E3 2019 trailer and Epic Games Store exclusivity

H1B1Esquire · Jun 11, 2019

Xzi said:
the publishers I couldn't care less about. They're the ones forcing microtransactions and incomplete games down our throats, and they make sure that they get their cut first no matter what.

This will be documented in the future. Trust me, this is bigger than you think. Nothing negative, but be "you". Stay you.

luisedgarf · Jun 11, 2019

shaunj66 said:
The comments section of the KS update is being hammered by angry backers. I've updated the news to reflect this. It's going to be a PR nightmare for them. Rightfully so to be honest. You can't just bait and switch people like that.

Especially western backers, and very especially American ones.

Xzi · Jun 11, 2019

FAST6191 said:
If Epic have to become a monster to slay Valve then I am OK with that, and from what I have seen thus far Epic aren't even being all that shady.

Epic will run out of exclusivity money long before they put the slightest dent in Steam's sales numbers. Their whole strategy reeks of desperation, and Gabe Newell sniffed that out from the very beginning.

FAST6191 said:
OK. I am all for greedy pubs getting a slap too. How is that related to this Epic vs Valve spat?

Epic awards exclusivity payouts to publishers, not developers. An important distinction because the publishers can choose to not pass any of it on.

FAST6191 said:
If the core loop works then I can take some alpha open source level stuff here, or features trivially replicated with other free software. I would similarly not view Steam as some kind of bastion of quality.

Yet Steam added native support for the Switch Pro controller within weeks of Switch's release. Hell, Valve recently added SteamVR input support to UE4, meaning that Valve is actively making more improvements to EGS than Epic is.

H1B1Esquire · Jun 11, 2019

FAST6191 said:
If Epic have to become a monster to slay Valve

This will not occur as hoped.
These people have looked into the "pronoun game".
They know about "how the mind works", as far as the "patterns of the brain"-- this has been planned for years (TRUST, IT'S BEEN YEARS) and we're falling in-to-piece with what "they" want.

At the best, we can "hope"; we can make "jokes", about what "they" do.

It sounds crazy, but that is exactly the best move, with a pawn, that you can do--they've aimed to take your King and Queen from turn 1.

Xzi · Jun 11, 2019

H1B1Esquire said:
This will be documented in the future. Trust me, this is bigger than you think. Nothing negative, but be "you". Stay you.

The Outer Worlds going EGS exclusive hit me the hardest. I'm not going to wait through a year of exclusivity, so my plan is to pirate the game, and then if it turns out to be as good as I expect it to be, I'm going to send $60 cash straight to Obsidian's main office. Along with a letter explaining my reasoning. Developers first.

Armadillo · Jun 11, 2019

Xzi said:
The Outer Worlds going EGS exclusive hit me the hardest. I'm not going to wait through a year of exclusivity, so my plan is to pirate the game, and then if it turns out to be as good as I expect it to be, I'm going to send $60 cash straight to Obsidian's main office. Along with a letter explaining my reasoning. Developers first.

Outer worlds is on gamepass as well I think, same as metro.

Xzi · Jun 11, 2019

Armadillo said:
Outer worlds is on gamepass as well I think, same as metro.

Oh that's right, I think they did announce recently it'll be coming to the new Win10 Xbox store too. I'll have to give that a try, at least the odds that it's superior to EGS are really good.

H1B1Esquire · Jun 11, 2019

Xzi said:
so my plan

I feel you and commend you for bravery, but this is the time of "Shhh, Shhh, the monster will hear."

The plan of action is sarcasm; the wonder of saying what you mean, but "in a clown car, versus a Lambo."

For them, even pirating the game is saying, "We did something right, wooo!"
Obviously, you can't shit on a game in this day and age without backlash, but there's a trick.....soon, all will fall into place...or it won't, we're all doomed, and "Addounia, (yeah)" is gonna jizz on our faces.

FAST6191 · Jun 11, 2019

Xzi said:
Epic will run out of exclusivity money long before they put the slightest dent in Steam's sales numbers. Their whole strategy reeks of desperation, and Gabe Newell sniffed that out from the very beginning.

Epic awards exclusivity payouts to publishers, not developers. An important distinction because the publishers can choose to not pass any of it on.

Yet Steam added native support for the Switch Pro controller within weeks of Switch's release. Hell, Valve recently added SteamVR input support to UE4, meaning that Valve is actively making more improvements to EGS than Epic is.

So Epic go down in flames and some things go limping back to Steam to be rammed by their diamond encrusted dildo the same same before. Where is the loss?

If the publishers are the nominal owners of the property/project (something every single effort in any IP governed field will do and has done for probably more than a century, give or take minor quirks for accounting purposes) then I don't see how they could give to the devs if they have a pub already on board. What this has to do with Valve vs Epic and Epic's purported transgressions in it all I don't know.

Sweet. More improvements for me. Still not sure why I should be in a rush to diss Epic or suck up to Valve here.

Kioku · Jun 11, 2019

No refunds for those that wanted a Steam copy? Weird..

Xzi · Jun 11, 2019

FAST6191 said:
So Epic go down in flames and some things go limping back to Steam to be rammed by their diamond encrusted dildo the same same before. Where is the loss?

Customers lose out on purchasing options and basic feature support. Developers lose out on sales and more exposure for their games.

FAST6191 said:
If the publishers are the nominal owners of the property/project (something every single effort in any IP governed field will do and has done for probably more than a century, give or take minor quirks for accounting purposes) then I don't see how they could give to the devs if they have a pub already on board. What this has to do with Valve vs Epic and Epic's purported transgressions in it all I don't know.

Just tired of hearing the false claim that Epic is more 'pro-developer' than Valve ad nauseum. Epic recently discounted pre-order games in their sale without alerting the publishers/developers, and those games were temporarily pulled from EGS as a result.

FAST6191 said:
Sweet. More improvements for me. Still not sure why I should be in a rush to diss Epic or suck up to Valve here.

You're an incredibly forgiving guy, but I'm sure you're aware that the vast majority of gamers are not. Epic knows that they're pissing a lot of people off, they just don't care. Tim Sweeney makes for a better internet troll than a CEO.

H1B1Esquire · Jun 11, 2019

Xzi said:
You're an incredibly forgiving guy

As are you, I know this..We have to let "them" do this--none of us want this, but it has to pass.

The reason? To birth something they have no control over.
The crescendo crashes.

Everyone is playing their part to a "T(-pose).

2020 is the year.

reddragon105 · Jun 11, 2019

Guys, I agree with most of you - what Epic is doing is not good. They're free to have their own store if they want to (as long as they can code it and run it well, so that it doesn't break or steal our data and so that developers know what is happening with their games on it) and they're free to take less commission, if they think that will entice developers over there. I, too, would like a choice of where to buy this game from, and I too would probably choose Steam over Epic, simply because that's where most of my games already are and I want as many in one place as possible, plus friends lists etc. I get what Epic is trying to do - Valve could do with some healthy competition and it's not a big deal to have one more client, as most of us probably already have Steam + at least one or two others installed - but they're going about it the wrong way and it's upsetting a lot of people.

But I think we're losing sight of something important - so far no game has truly become an Epic Games Store exclusive. They are only timed exclusives. Meaning Shenmue III - like Metro Exodus, Borderlands 3 and the others - will come to Steam eventually. So, if you want it on Steam, you can and will get it on Steam. You might just have to wait 3-6 months to get it the way you want it. If you don't like what Epic are doing, vote with your wallet by not buying from their store and waiting for the Steam release instead.

With that said, it really is some bullshit that they've done this with a Kickstarted game.

DeslotlCL · Jun 11, 2019

the_randomizer said:
I.. wasn't directing that to you, sorry -_-

OOH i'm so sorry D: i knew you were directing it to people defending epic's store, but my reply wasnt supposed to sound mean to you, i just wanted to share my point of view on the thing. As said, not getting angry to the entirely of epic games, since there are people and developes that have nothing to do with the store. One should be angrier to the higher ups and their shitty decisions and way of thinking.

That was all

H1B1Esquire · Jun 11, 2019

DeslotlCL said:
i just wanted to share my point of view on the thing

You should not do that. The meaning of what you say is stinging.

I get what you're getting at, but, the_randomizer isn't the one.

You'll understand soon™.

DeslotlCL · Jun 11, 2019

H1B1Esquire said:
You should not do that. The meaning of what you say is stinging.

I get what you're getting at, but, the_randomizer isn't the one.

You'll understand soon™.

wait what, im literally an idiot so i dont understand anything at all ;_;

H1B1Esquire · Jun 11, 2019

DeslotlCL said:
so i dont understand anything at all ;_;

It's okay.

TL;DR
You and the_randomizer are two sides of the coin.

netovsk · Jun 11, 2019

Some people are all for exclusivity behind specific hardware but have them download a 120mb client to play a game and they lose their minds!!

jmrodrigues · Jun 11, 2019

Pipistrele said:
Shenmue 1&2 were two of the biggest flops ever (literally contributed to death of Dreamcast, and Sega as a console maker), so it'll only be fitting! I hope the game will be good though

I don't know the numbers, but the console failure was not because of Shenmue certainly. Maybe the PS2 success had a more relevant contribution, the lack of DVD player the PS2 and Xbox had, the lack of third party games, such as the WiiU...

Silent_Gunner · Jun 11, 2019

The Chad Kiryu of the Yakuza TIGER DROPS the Virgin Hazuki of some house in Yokosuka with Steam releases, being pro-consumer, allowing mods openly, and by being a Level 100 Clan Boss as opposed to Ryo's Level 18 Vengeful Crook, because that's how the yakuza works!

OK, in all seriousness, this isn't making people want to buy the game at all on Epic's platform. If anything, it might direct some of the money that could be going to Epic's Store to the XBOne and PS4 versions of the game. To have a game that fans have been waiting so long for suffer this fate has to be soul crushing. It'd be like if Sonic Mania was revealed to be an EGS exclusive, which wouldn't be much better than it's current situation on PC last I checked (comes with DENUVO, or that DRM that gets cracked very easily, so WTF is the point anymore).

If there's any platform on Steam I'd rather use, it's GOG. Yeah, it's about as decentralized as a platform can get, but that's what I love about it. As much as I love the things Valve has done via Steam for PC gaming, even I am not blind to the fact that not everything worth it is going to last forever, and that one day, Valve will be spoken of in the same vein as companies like Atari that were the best at what they did one day until management that didn't have the same vision as the previous gets replaced by less competent/passionate/*insert characteristic here* management.

But until then, I'd rather rely on the lesser of evils than just become some drone defending Epic or accusing people of not wanting to install another launcher for a service provided by an American company that's slowly getting bought by Tencent.

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