Homebrew WIP [Official] DeltaLaunch

Reisyukaku · Jun 3, 2019

SciresM said:
Ahh. That is "DRM", then, yes. From a casual check of the leaked source code, it seems trivially bypassable, though?

In any event, I still think that the two are independently criticizable -- sept does not make any attempt to force the user to run a specific payload after it is done, it will chainload anything. I think that's a noteworthy distinction. I understand how someone could feel like there was hypocrisy criticizing one but not the other, though, since both can indeed be called DRM.

I wouldnt compare sept to this .. I'd compare exo in sysmodules to this.. Originally people called it DRM, but now its used to check versions, etc.. This is the same thing. Custom IPC to change hbl tid, and the odd romfs workaround required this. Plus when i talked to you back a few months ago (way before the 'drm') and tested the code on atmo, it didnt work for some reason so i had that in mind. I think its reasonable that you write the modules with only atmo in mind and im doing the same as this is the direction i wanted to go to distinguish myself from atmo.

blawar · Jun 4, 2019

SciresM said:
I do indeed agree that by not releasing the key, I am leveraging NVidia's hardware DRM for my software.

I don't agree that Rei's implementing a form of DRM -- I do not think that "not releasing the source to your software" is DRM. I'll note this point is debatable, but that's my stance.

I have two points in this thread, I think:

1. Sept is free and open source software under the GPLv2, as it is fully compliant with all terms of that free/OSS license.

2. People are welcome to feel like sept deserves criticism, given the hardware DRM it leverages. People may also feel like DeltaLaunch deserves criticism, because it is now closed-source. However, these are two different things to criticize for, and not comparable -- someone could very legitimately want to criticize sept but not think DeltaLaunch is doing anything wrong, and someone could very legitimately want to criticize DeltaLaunch but not think sept is doing anything wrong.

My personal stance is that neither are doing anything wrong -- I think closed-source software is worse for everybody involved than open source software, particularly in a scene like this, but as the sole author and copyright holder it's Rei's decision to have his software be open-source or not and he's not actually doing anything wrong by choosing closed-source.

The criticism is not that Delta is closed source, but that Delta has checks to ensure it only runs on ReiNX which is the DRM I spoke of. I agree neither neither project is doing anything wrong.

Edit: already addressed, disregard.

hippy dave · Jun 4, 2019

blawar said:
You are made of salt lol, you are the embodiment of gbatemp entitlement. Someone releases something for free

Nah, I can see you've misunderstood something here, so I'll clear it up. Yes people here are complaining about deltalaunch being restricted to reinx, but I'm not one of them. My post was honestly to inform people and save them effort and/or inconvenience. How I treat you regarding your software and your actions is different, I do that because you're a (e: removed name calling) who is toxic to the scene and the devs & users in it. I don't feel that way about Rei so he and his projects don't get that treatment. Special treatment just for you, enjoy.

Darth Meteos · Jun 4, 2019

Crusatyr said:
So, I think I'm the first with this, but here's my WIP delta theme, based off of my favorite starter pack, RajNX.
View attachment 168967
View attachment 168973

The theme folder to used my theme should be attached.

EDIT: Updated theme to replace the Sleep icon with a custom one

jesus christ
when i made this, i didn't know it'd become this unholy abomination

good work, mate

hippy dave · Jun 4, 2019

Boneitis strikes again

Adran_Marit · Jun 4, 2019

People complain that ReiNX is a clone of Atmosphere, so Rei goes and makes something unique to his CFW and people complain it doesn't work on Atmosphere.

You can't have it both ways, you can't say it's a clone then complain when unique software doesn't work on said cfw.

Just my 2 cents worth

Reisyukaku · Jun 4, 2019

Added some images! (I made this thread at some unholy hour last night so didnt have time

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AliciaBurrito · Jun 4, 2019

Does this work on Ultrasphere?

Adran_Marit · Jun 4, 2019

AliciaBurrito said:
Does this work on Ultrasphere?

Thonk

TheZander · Jun 4, 2019

I looked at the pictures.

My understanding is delta launch is a custom theme that makes the icons larger when rolled over?

You guys really stretch what is worth arguing over. I get that this release came from an odd place (secret fucking theme code got made public) but other than that what's the difference between this and the jack daniels theme / layout choice. Could this exact thing not be easily replicated by someone interested?

Edit: think reading The first post really clarifies things actually.

Features:

Full customization/theming
Stand-alone homebrew button
And much more!

^ that's what the argument is about right? Those 2 features?

Adran_Marit · Jun 4, 2019

TheZander said:
I looked at the pictures.

My understanding is delta launch is a custom theme that makes the icons larger when rolled over?

You guys really stretch what is worth arguing over. I get that this release came from an odd place (secret fucking theme code got made public) but other than that what's the difference between this and the jack daniels theme / layout choice. Could this exact thing not be easily replicated by someone interested?

This is a rewrite of the entire menu, whereas theming just replaces xyz files from what I can tell

TheZander · Jun 4, 2019

Adran_Marit said:
This is a rewrite of the entire menu, whereas theming just replaces xyz files from what I can tell

I think it's neat that's it handwritten from scratch, if i was a more intellectual creative person i could appreciate that. Being the low down scum bag i am who doesn't care about where code comes from it just looks like a custom theme?

Adran_Marit · Jun 4, 2019

TheZander said:
I think it's neat that's it handwritten from scratch, if i was a more intellectual creative person i could appreciate that. Being the low down scum bag i am who doesn't care about where code comes from it just looks like a custom theme?

Not just theme, remember this is very early alpha access, From what I can tell there are plans to fully implement sounds and folders down the track

sj33 · Jun 4, 2019

I don’t think you have to be a high level intellectual to appreciate that re-writing the entire system menu is non-trivial.

guitarheroknight · Jun 4, 2019

People who don't watch Rick and Morty couldn't understand DeltaLaunch anyways...

KuranKu · Jun 4, 2019

@Reisyukaku i was wondering if this Reinx exclusive as built for reinx unick code, or it could be run on atmosphere aswell , my qusetion is why it crash atmosphere ?!
Sorry for the ping .

Idontknowwhattoputhere · Jun 4, 2019

KuranKu said:
@Reisyukaku i was wondering if this Reinx exclusive as built for reinx unick code, or it could be run on atmosphere aswell , my qusetion is why it crash atmosphere ?!
Sorry for the ping .

It checks to see if its running reinx on boot
If it isn't it fatals

designgears · Jun 4, 2019

TheZander said:
I think it's neat that's it handwritten from scratch, if i was a more intellectual creative person i could appreciate that. Being the low down scum bag i am who doesn't care about where code comes from it just looks like a custom theme?

If you've ever tried to make a custom theme for HOS you'd know it's very restrictive and not very easy to change the layout. With this being written from the ground up a proper theming engine is being created to make it easy and flexible, among other things.

hippy dave · Jun 4, 2019

I mean, didn't tx leak the keys? But whatevs.

Owenge · Jun 4, 2019

looks promising but It does need some work. I wish you the best @Reisyukaku (also try to contact @Jbg for work on themeing

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