Misc I need help with wiimmfi

zommer360 · May 23, 2019

Im trying to play MKDS online on my 3ds with wimfi but I dont have a wep network and my iphone 7's hotspot doesnt support wep.

Ive tried messing with software for my mac and for windows (In a VM) but no luck.

I cannot mess with the router at my house because Im only 14 and live with my parents.

So, do I need 2 buy an old router or the nintendo wifi usb connector or is there anything else I can do to get it 2 work?

zommer360 · May 26, 2019

nobody? okay

Deleted User · May 29, 2019

Make a hotspot without a password.

zommer360 · May 29, 2019

BluebellGamerYT said:
Make a hotspot without a password.

i have an iphone. iphone's cant do that

bananapi761 · May 29, 2019

zommer360 said:
i have an iphone. iphone's cant do that

Then you're probably out of luck. I tried finding other solutions myself, the only one being a WEP hotspot on my phone.

TrollyX · May 31, 2019

I don't understand why "messing with the router" would be a problem. I mean, I am 14 myself and I just "messed with my router". I know it depends on how strict your parents are, but If you just explained the how harmless it is, they could maybe allow you. What I did was making a secondary SSID from my router, with WEP security just for my NDS and everyone was able to use the normal SSID without problems anyways. You could even make it to be hidden after you connect to it so it doesn't "bother" anyone

Seriously, this is the simplest method and also doesn't cost anything. If your parents are afraid you could "break" something, you could just tell them to contact your ISP's support line and telling them to set the SSID up for you!

Friendsxix · May 31, 2019

TrollyX said:
I don't understand why "messing with the router" would be a problem. I mean, I am 14 myself and I just "messed with my router". I know it depends on how strict your parents are, but If you just explained the how harmless it is, they could maybe allow you. What I did was making a secondary SSID from my router, with WEP security just for my NDS and everyone was able to use the normal SSID without problems anyways. You could even make it to be hidden after you connect to it so it doesn't "bother" anyone

Seriously, this is the simplest method and also doesn't cost anything. If your parents are afraid you could "break" something, you could just tell them to contact your ISP's support line and telling them to set the SSID up for you!

This isn't really a great idea. WEP is so thoroughly broken security-wise, that it is only marginally better than having no security at all. I would definitely shy away from having a permanent WEP network...

TrollyX · May 31, 2019

Friendsxix said:
This isn't really a great idea. WEP is so thoroughly broken security-wise, that it is only marginally better than having no security at all. I would definitely shy away from having a permanent WEP network...

As I explained above, there is an option to hide the SSID when the device connects, so no one will see it when scanning

Even if he decides not to hide it, no one will attack a random public WEP hotspot, especially if he doesn't live in a huge city. Again, he can just hide it.

Friendsxix · May 31, 2019

TrollyX said:
As I explained above, there is an option to hide the SSID when the device connects, so no one will see it when scanning

Even if he decides not to hide it, no one will attack a random public WEP hotspot, especially if he doesn't live in a huge city. Again, he can just hide it.

That's not true; it will still show up with the proper tools. Hiding the SSID isn't really security, either.

I also assume that you don't know where he lives, so assuming a lack of potential intruders isn't a great idea either... If he lives near others at all, it's still a large risk. WEP cracking is very trivial. We are talking mere minutes to crack a WEP network.

If one is to make a permanent WEP network, they should take some basic steps: At the very least, put it on a separate subnet, so an intruder cannot mess with other computers on the main network. I would also only allow the DS' MAC address on the network, though this is trivial to circumvent, too. If you want to get fancy, it would also help to throttle the WEP network to dial-up speeds. That way, if anyone gets in, it'll be pretty useless for anything but playing DS games.

TrollyX · May 31, 2019

Friendsxix said:
That's not true; it will still show up with the proper tools. Hiding the SSID isn't really security, either.

I also assume that you don't know where he lives, so assuming a lack of potential intruders isn't a great idea either... If he lives near others at all, it's still a large risk. WEP cracking is very trivial. We are talking mere minutes to crack a WEP network.

If one is to make a permanent WEP network, they should take some basic steps: At the very least, put it on a separate subnet, so an intruder cannot mess with other computers on the main network. I would also only allow the DS' MAC address on the network, though this is trivial to circumvent, too. If you want to get fancy, it would also help to throttle the WEP network to dial-up speeds. That way, if anyone gets in, it'll be pretty useless for anything but playing DS games.

Let's not make up unrealistic scenarios. He hides the SSID, no one cares enough to search about it. No need to make simple stuff look scary. Indeed, if he lives in a huge city, he should hide it. If he hides it, people won't know. And the next-door-hacker won't mind either, even if he sees the network on his advanced program. After all, it's up to the owner to take the "risk". He could also turn on MAC-Address filtering and add a more complex WEP key (not hard to crack, not easy to guess). And anyone can spoof a MAC Address, but I doubt someone will go that far.

We should not play with chances, but we should also not be over-sensitive.

EDIT: SSID Isolation is another option to make it more secure.

Friendsxix · May 31, 2019

TrollyX said:
Let's not make up unrealistic scenarios. He hides the SSID, no one cares enough to search about it. No need to make simple stuff look scary. Indeed, if he lives in a huge city, he should hide it. If he hides it, people won't know. And the next-door-hacker won't mind either, even if he sees the network on his advanced program. After all, it's up to the owner to take the "risk". He could also turn on MAC-Address filtering and add a more complex WEP key (not hard to crack, not easy to guess). And anyone can spoof a MAC Address, but I doubt someone will go that far.

We should not play with chances, but we should also not be over-sensitive.

You're free to follow poor security advice, as long as you understand the strong negative implications. For the love of God, please do not advise other people to make the same poor security decisions.

WEP cracking is just as easy, regardless of the key complexity. WEP as a whole has been thoroughly broken. This is not being oversensitive; this is simply fact. There is a reason why most devices don't even give users the option to use WEP anymore. These risks are not 'unrealistic;' on the contrary, they are quite real.

I will close by saying that your parents are probably unaware of the risks, and if they knew, they'd probably tell you to undo what you've done.

TrollyX · May 31, 2019

Friendsxix said:
You're free to follow poor security advice, as long as you understand the strong negative implications. For the love of God, please do not advise other people to make the same poor security decisions.

WEP cracking is just as easy, regardless of the key complexity. WEP as a whole has been thoroughly broken. This is not being oversensitive; this is simply fact. There is a reason why most devices don't even give users the option to use WEP anymore. These risks are not 'unrealistic;' on the contrary, they are quite real.

I will close by saying that your parents are probably unaware of the risks, and if they knew, they'd probably tell you to undo what you've done.

My parents are all aware of the risks. I live in a remote area where people rarely pass by and my neighbours aren't that tech-savvy or bad. I am not trying to give false/dangerous advice, after all, he can read all of this and discuss with his parents. I am just trying to think of ideas on how to make a WEP SSID more secure. I, myself understand the risks and I believe that the OP can judge based on what is being posted here. Peace out

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