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OrGoN3 · May 21, 2019

designgears said:
Doesn't cause issues.

Thank you.

hippy dave · May 23, 2019

Atmosphere's next release will have MITM'ing to report blank info to the OS without actually touching the data on NAND. So no more need to wipe irreplaceable data (yes users are responsible for keeping backups of said data, but we know that doesn't always go to plan).

designgears · May 23, 2019

hippy dave said:
Atmosphere's next release will have MITM'ing to report blank info to the OS without actually touching the data on NAND. So no more need to wipe irreplaceable data (yes users are responsible for keeping backups of said data, but we know that doesn't always go to plan).

It will be just as easy to defeat it as their cal0 protection, pretty useless.

hippy dave · May 23, 2019

designgears said:
It will be just as easy to defeat it as their cal0 protection, pretty useless.

Maybe you misunderstood. It will have the same end result as Incognito, disconnecting/anonymising you from Nintendo's servers, but without erasing data from nand. What's to defeat?

Deleted User · May 24, 2019

everybody gangster until blawar starts deleting prodinfo

90dns isn't "dodgy", even if it goes down you cant even connect online

The Real Jdbye · May 24, 2019

MAXLEMPIRA said:
yeah, but what I want is to go Online, while I can, what's the point to not be banned if you're never go online?

When you want to go online, you can restore a clean NAND backup.
With emuNAND it's not an issue, since you just have to patch your emuNAND with Incognito, and you can keep your sysNAND clean for online use. That's how I have it set up.

Dax_Fame · May 29, 2019

I was thinking, there's no other place system identification is stored on the device? Not even the logs? This is great in theory but it seems too easy...

blawar · May 30, 2019

hippy dave said:
Atmosphere's next release will have MITM'ing to report blank info to the OS without actually touching the data on NAND. So no more need to wipe irreplaceable data (yes users are responsible for keeping backups of said data, but we know that doesn't always go to plan).

Atmosphere's security is close to zero, if they implement that, malicious applications will still be able to steal your personal information and certificates. Also, nintendo could pull some stealth shit and read your real info and ban you. Atmosphere's approach is not safe.

ZachyCatGames · May 30, 2019

blawar said:
Atmosphere's security is close to zero, if they implement that, malicious applications will still be able to steal your personal information and certificates. Also, nintendo could pull some stealth shit and read your real info and ban you. Atmosphere's approach is not safe.

Oh, but writing to console unique information is safe...

blawar · May 30, 2019

hippy dave said:
Maybe you misunderstood. It will have the same end result as Incognito, disconnecting/anonymising you from Nintendo's servers, but without erasing data from nand. What's to defeat?

it does not have the same effect. Atmosphere's approach can be bypassed by both nintendo and malicious homebrew authors. Incognito cant be bypassed because the data is no where to be found on the nand. Atmosphere's implementatio nis better than nothing, but it is not secure.

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ZachyCatGames said:
Oh, but writing to console unique information is safe...

it is safe, if you have a backup, as nothing is lost.

ZachyCatGames · May 30, 2019

blawar said:
it is safe, if you have a backup, as nothing is lost.

expecting users to be able to keep a backup isn’t a great idea, many users aren’t very smart

blawar · May 30, 2019

ZachyCatGames said:
expecting users to be able to keep a backup isn’t a great idea, many users aren’t very smart

If they lose the backup, they arent bricked, they simply cannot revert to stock and go online. Not the end of the world, and a cheap price to pay for not having or keeping a backup. Its a 4 MB file, no excuse not to have it backed up.

LapCheong · May 30, 2019

ZachyCatGames said:
expecting users to be able to keep a backup isn’t a great idea, many users aren’t very smart

Everybody should have their nand backup no? It contain the prodinfo.bin that is needed to revert effect. Someone should write a guide using hard disk mount and the 32 gb nand to restore their serial.

So if anyone doesn't have their nand backup, shouldn't it be blame on all the whole homebrew community? Since it the very first thing to do.

puffycheeks · May 30, 2019

LapCheong said:
Everybody should have their nand backup no? It contain the prodinfo.bin that is needed to revert effect. Someone should write a guide using hard disk mount and the 32 gb nand to restore their serial.

So if anyone doesn't have their nand backup, shouldn't it be blame on all the whole homebrew community? Since it the very first thing to do.

If you don't make a backup of YOUR own NAND, it's not the fault of the whole homebrew community, it is the user's fault. They chose NOT to backup their own NAND

LapCheong · May 30, 2019

puffycheeks said:
If you don't make a backup of YOUR own NAND, it's not the fault of the whole homebrew community, it is the user's fault. They chose NOT to backup their own NAND

Ya I agree, but I keep seeing posts that aim the fault of users at blawar. Which I feel that it is quite bias.

OrGoN3 · May 30, 2019

LapCheong said:
Everybody should have their nand backup no? It contain the prodinfo.bin that is needed to revert effect. Someone should write a guide using hard disk mount and the 32 gb nand to restore their serial.

So if anyone doesn't have their nand backup, shouldn't it be blame on all the whole homebrew community? Since it the very first thing to do.

Not the many, many, many users who don't know any better and follow random YouTube videos.

LapCheong · May 30, 2019

OrGoN3 said:
Not the many, many, many users who don't know any better and follow random YouTube videos.

This too, a youtube video only show what you need to do to achieve this. They hardly tell you why should you do this or what is it for. This information only exists in forum and no one really bother since understanding is always second to them.

puffycheeks · May 30, 2019

LapCheong said:
Ya I agree, but I keep seeing posts that aim the fault of users at blawar. Which I feel that it is quite bias.

It's because they jump into it without preparing properly in the case of an emergency, and when that fails and they can't recover from it they'll blame the software that initially overwrote system unique info. Though even overwriting such data to be blank is a red flag in general. Atmosphere achieves something similar by redirecting to a file on the SD card without needing to write to anything, unlike Incognito's PRODINFO blanking. Plus it seems noob-friendly and less likely to introduce more user error

OrGoN3 said:
Not the many, many, many users who don't know any better and follow random YouTube videos.

True but even most guides that are recommended to newcomers usually include NAND dumping as a step, a more better guess is that it takes too long and people get impatient, which in my eyes is a cardinal sin

hippy dave · May 30, 2019

blawar said:
Atmosphere's security is close to zero, if they implement that, malicious applications will still be able to steal your personal information and certificates. Also, nintendo could pull some stealth shit and read your real info and ban you. Atmosphere's approach is not safe.

Lol it only took you the whole month:

hippy dave said:
cue a certain person barging in with a list of dubious claims about why this method is terrible and why the relevant devs are bad people.

The only person threatening to write malicious code to screw over Atmosphere users is you.

puffycheeks · May 30, 2019

hippy dave said:
Lol it only took you the whole month:

The only person threatening to write malicious code to screw over Atmosphere users is you.
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Honestly things like this is why scenes like the Vita has a mostly bad name(see: Vita brickers, in which a user unknowingly installs a .vpk that contains malicious code)

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