Sony showcases loading times for their next generation hardware versus the PS4 Pro

KingVamp · May 21, 2019

I still like new consoles, but that is a good point. Even if they come out with the best and latest hardware, game budgets can only be so high.

KlariNoX · May 21, 2019

Excited about the hardware, afraid of the price

Delerious · May 21, 2019

Xzi said:
That's typically the bump you get from an HDD to an SSD, yeah. And everything sounds great so far except the '8K' and 'ray tracing.' Like gimme a fuckin' break, are they gonna stick an RTX 2080Ti in there? Is this going to be a $2000 console? Or are we talking 8K at 15 FPS, and ray-tracing at 30 FPS in 1080p?

I would assume it's more like 8k upscaling or something like that, and users will likely have to omit ray-tracing in this "8k mode", unless there is some crazy wiz biz in there that can actually render all them rays at that resolution. Though that would probably tick the cost up a couple hundred dollars if that were the case. Also, I don't expect ray-tracing to be anything impressive for console. It'll probably be a 30 fps scenario with ray-traced games, with some noise/low-res lighting until some sort of PS5 pro comes out two-three years later at 100 bucks more.

As for hardware, according to the Eurogamer article, it's using a custom Ryzen chip. It's likely some sort of Ryzen 2 APU using the Navi graphics architecture, at least, that's what most are speculating.

bowser · May 21, 2019

Wait a min... So the next gen will have all new hardware, better graphics, and will be faster and more powerful than current gen?! Who would have thought! :wacko:

Deleted User · May 21, 2019

Since several years I‘m not impressed any longer. Wow-effects like with Dreamcast (e.g. Soul Calibur) or N64 (Mario/Goldeneye) are long gone. Last console hardware that really impressed me was the PS3.

zoogie · May 21, 2019

Can't we just skip this next generation and just wait for the supposedly "realistic" 40 Tflops milestone at around 2027?
Would save everyone, gamers and devs alike, tons of money. And the games of today are already stunning anyway.

Not really enthused about spending $500 on uncanny valley graphics, lol.

Ericthegreat · May 21, 2019

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The next generation of gaming isn't quite here yet, but we're starting to see glimpses of what will be, through teases and hinting. Today, we got another look at what Sony has up its sleeves, during a corporate strategy meeting. Takashi Mochizuki, a reporter for The Wall Street Journal attended the meeting, where he took video of Sony showcasing "immersive" and "seamless" loading for their next-gen successor to the PlayStation 4.

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In the footage, we can see Spider-Man running on a PlayStation 4 Pro, as well as the upcoming new PlayStation system. Quickly loading the game world on the PS4 Pro results in pauses for the game to render everything, while the "PS5" that's running the same game has no major loading times. According to the press release, this is partly due to "a customized, ultra-fast broadband solid state drive".

https://twitter.com/mochi_wsj/status/1130645990627631105

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Additionally, an investor briefing goes into more detail, mentioning that the PlayStation 4 will still provide a "critical role" for around three more years, with major AAA games still arriving on the platform, like The Last of Us Part II, Death Stranding, and Ghosts of Tsushima, which will ensure success due to the massive amount of PS4 owners. Sony has lofty goals for their new hardware, specifying backwards compatibility, 3D audio, more powerful components, the ability to still use physical media, and even 8K.

Source: PR
Source: Briefing

Okay, now let's see them do the same thing but with a PS4 with a nice ssd in it.

Foxi4 · May 21, 2019

The words "custom" and "SSD" are being used in one sentence here, so I wouldn't be surprised if the drive used Sony's custom implementation of PCIe to some extent, especially given the load times showcased. Snarky comments aside, it does seem to load significantly faster than the last gen system, even when equipped with an SSD.

Delerious · May 21, 2019

Ericthegreat said:
Okay, now let's see them do the same thing but with a PS4 with a nice ssd in it.

The PS4 would need a controller that takes full advantage of it, as well as OS/firmware optimizations. This late in the PS4's life, it's practically not worth it.

ImLEBrAn · May 21, 2019

1080p 60fps doesn't even work for 99% of the PS4 games on a PS4 pro. Now they're pushing 8k bullshit? You guys remember when they told us before the PS4 launched that'll outperform PCs for years to come? Sony is full of bullshit it's incredible.

warweeny · May 21, 2019

Xzi said:
That's typically the bump you get from an HDD to an SSD, yeah. And everything sounds great so far except the '8K' and 'ray tracing.' Like gimme a fuckin' break, are they gonna stick an RTX 2080Ti in there? Is this going to be a $2000 console? Or are we talking 8K at 15 FPS, and ray-tracing at 30 FPS in 1080p?

You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.
Raytracing can be done on GTX cards and even AMD can do it without dedicated "R" cores.

KingBlank said:
"Ultra-fast, broadband SSD" makes them sound very clueless. idk if a "broadband SSD" exists, but this is the first I've heard of it.

You never heard of it because it is an actual new technology, even PC has no acces to it (yet)

Are people really this fucking retarded and uninformed about the ps5?

Ericthegreat · May 21, 2019

Delerious said:
The PS4 would need a controller that takes full advantage of it, as well as OS/firmware optimizations. This late in the PS4's life, it's practically not worth it.

Well I know people get much faster load times with a ssd on ps4, I'm not saying it will beat it, just it could maybe be within a few seconds.

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ImLEBrAn said:
1080p 60fps doesn't even work for 99% of the PS4 games on a PS4 pro. Now they're pushing 8k bullshit? You guys remember when they told us before the PS4 launched that'll outperform PCs for years to come? Sony is full of bullshit it's incredible.

Well it will be 8k, but if you count the pixels will be more around 1440p, then home menu will be 8k/60 though.

DKAngel · May 21, 2019

B_E_P_I_S_M_A_N said:
Wow, they're using an SSD. On a console.

Snark aside, at least with the migration of everything to the AMD64 architecture, backwards compatibility with the PS4 probably isn't going to be too much of an issue. It'd be cool if this thing was actually powerful enough to emulate the PS3 and offer a sort of backwards compatibility, kinda like what Microsoft's doing with the Xbox, but without the need to re-compile every game.

the original xbox wasnt much more the an celeron hence why its not to hard to emulate or recompile the exe for it

proffk · May 21, 2019

This is all good but Sony needs to rethink this aggresive censorship policy they have. Are they going censor COD next.

Ericthegreat · May 21, 2019

warweeny said:
You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.
Raytracing can be done on GTX cards and even AMD can do it without dedicated "R" cores.

Also though, by next year + the amount of gpu they are going to buy, they can probably buy 2080ti for a decent price, and nvidia is pretty much forced too, if not amd will be in all the consoles.

kumikochan · May 21, 2019

So they're proud to show us the difference between a 5400rpm drive vs a SSD ? Hilarious, a bit late to the party. Wake up Sony, we already knew that more then 10 years ago. Also for the people nitpicking about the difference in speed when you put an SSD in a ps4 well that is kinda normal since the connection it's using is older technology.
PCI 3.0 has an effective speed of 985mb/s per land wich can be multiplied to 15gb/s wich is way faster then sata SSD's. A ps4 uses a sata connection wich at this point is the slowest since PCI 3.0 is faster plus you also have M.2 and U.2 cards wich are still capped at 4 lanes but often are faster then the regular cheap ssd's you can wich most are putting in their ps4 systems. Also ofcourse it is going to load faster when textures, sound and so on can be processed a lot faster than with the current hardware a Ps4 consists of now. Anyway a ps4 pro uses a 5400rpm drive wich is ancient and they're showing of a comparison between a maybe pci 3.0 ssd and a 5400rpm drive wich is ancient technology

Taleweaver · May 21, 2019

I get why people are snarking, but I don't share it.

Computional horsepower can only increase so much without the bottleneck becoming elsewhere. The current generation's graphic power is already so great that any improvement is more cosmetic than anything else. So of course they have to pivot: it was only a matter of time before it'd get something like "look...a ten time reduction of loading times!

". It is less visually tangible and rather hard to explain to non-gamers ("so lemme get this straight: this is a complete open world with hardly any loading times anywhere aside the first load...and this is 8 seconds. So...WHY do you want to buy this new console?

" "because THOSE ARE EIGHT SECONDS I CAN'T BE GAMING!!!!" ). But whatever else do they have?

In the end, it'll be the games that sell the system. This is but a preview tech demo.

shaunj66 · May 21, 2019

I'm just glad we're finally getting half decent CPU's next gen.

It will be interesting to see their backwards compatibility on PS5. PS1 and PS2 should be a given but I doubt they'll manage full PS3 compatibility. Maybe they'll roll out compatible games, kind of how Microsoft did with Xbox One.

GBADWB · May 21, 2019

warweeny said:
You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.
Raytracing can be done on GTX cards and even AMD can do it without dedicated "R" cores.

You never heard of it because it is an actual new technology, even PC has no acces to it (yet)

Are people really this fucking retarded and uninformed about the ps5?

I wouldnt say it in either direction yet. What I expect is Sony trying to be the first consumer device named using an NVMe based connection on PCI-e 4.0 (which has been done with engineering samples, but not consumer yet) given that Ryzen 2 has PCI-e 4.0 support. There's no need to make a new transfer protocol when the upcoming one is likely fast enough for Sony to use. IDR exactly, but the ps4 for scale used Sata II i believe

Xzi · May 21, 2019

warweeny said:
You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.
Raytracing can be done on GTX cards and even AMD can do it without dedicated "R" cores.

RTX cards can't even enable ray-tracing without massive drops in performance. Now, if you're talking about all the various engine effects which can be used to simulate ray-tracing without the ludicrous performance hit, then sure, but that's just Sony playing fast and loose with the definition.

warweeny said:
Are people really this fucking retarded and uninformed about the ps5?

Are people really fanboying this hard over the unannounced specs of the PS5? I just want confirmation that it will do 60 FPS in any resolution before celebrating. Not some bullshit marketing pitch about 8K and ray-tracing. PS4 Pro promised 4K and gave us upscaled 1440p, so there's nothing wrong with some skepticism toward yet more lofty claims from Sony.

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