Riot Games employees held a walkout in protest of company policies and reportedly sexist management

osaka35 · May 7, 2019

kevin corms said:
Well I detect a ton of confirmation bias in this statement, which chunks are toxic? Unless you mean the toxic social justice warriors who pull these sorts of stunts over and over lately.

I mean, it's just knowledge of how the industry works, current working condition and a lot of first-hand reports. It's more about knowledge.

Social justice warriors is not the same thing as toxic social justice warriors. Met a lot of toxic ones, met a few legit ones. It's best to focus on the goals, which is equitable treatment and consideration, and getting rid of outdated ways of thinking and doing. Real ones will work towards that, toxic ones will use potential, or made-up, problems to prop up their own egos. It can be difficult to tell the difference, but its important not to lump the two together, at the very least.

Confirmation bias would more be like "I don't really know anything about the industry, but this is totally something that'd happen. I'm sure the evidence saying it isn't this thing is just fake or something".

kevin corms · May 7, 2019

osaka35 said:
I mean, it's just knowledge of how the industry works, current working condition in a lot of studies. It's more about knowledge.

Social justice warriors is not the same thing as toxic social justice warriors. Met a lot of toxic ones, met a few legit ones. It's best to focus on the goals, which is equitable treatment and consideration, and getting rid of outdated ways of thinking and doing. Real ones will work towards that, toxic ones will use potential, or made-up, problems to prop up their own egos. It can be difficult to tell the difference, but its important not to lump the two together, at the very least.

Confirmation bias would more be like "I don't really know anything about the industry, but this is totally something that'd happen. I'm sure the evidence saying it isn't this thing is just fake or something".

Which studies by who? Im a developer myself, not for games but Im still in the industry. In reality what Ive noticed is the opposite of what you just said. Its actually slightly toxic to be the majority or tell the truth in many companies these days.

osaka35 · May 7, 2019

kevin corms said:
Which studies by who? Im a developer myself, not for games but Im still in the industry. In reality what Ive noticed is the opposite of what you just said.

Sorry, I have studies on the brain. I meant to say first-hand experiences. And generally it's the larger players that have problems. Obviously not all of them, but protections aren't really there. Similar to artist in anime studios in Japan. Long hours, lower pay, low job security, etc. The social problems are generally just exasperated because they don't have any care to ensure equability for their employees. I mean...it's not exactly a hidden problem. It's well-known and you'll find loads of people within the industry talking about it.

kevin corms · May 7, 2019

Here is an example https://theblacksphere.net/2017/11/...resigns-says-white-people-can-be-diverse-too/

I could get a bunch more but whats the point since I dont even agree with everything in the article, im also ok with some jobs having long hours and crunch time... not every job has to be for everyone...

Maybe if we started teaching people the origins of the made up "white race" and how everything we think we know about race is complete bs we could get over this. As far as sexism goes, we cant tolerate sexism against men and demonize sexism against women, there must not be any toxic behavior at all.

All that being said, I dont really know what happened at riot games so Ill just wait and see. Just because there has been a rise in toxic far left behavior doesn't mean toxic racist and sexist behavior disappeared.

SkittleDash · May 7, 2019

Game companies are really rolling people in dog shit these days. To consumers and employees.

210modz · May 7, 2019

Development of the sandwich maker simulator was pushed back a day.

Fugelmir · May 7, 2019

As a dota fanboy I hope this dumpster fire is all-consuming.

chrisrlink · May 7, 2019

if you really want to watch what you say work for a state contractor my cousin got fired for posting a racist memes on facebook

kevin corms · May 7, 2019

chrisrlink said:
if you really want to watch what you say work for a state contractor my cousin got fired for posting a racist memes on facebook

Probably not a good idea to post bullshit where anyone can see it.

osaka35 · May 7, 2019

kevin corms said:
Here is an example https://theblacksphere.net/2017/11/...resigns-says-white-people-can-be-diverse-too/

I could get a bunch more, im also ok with some jobs having long hours and crunch time... not every job has to be for everyone...

Okay, this is the kind of thing they're talking about. that's a pretty dang racist website. I'll PM you why, don't want to glue up this thread with unrelated stuff.

Long hours and crunch time aren't what we're talking about here. We're talking about poor working conditions, being cheated out of proper pay, and mistreating employees based on factors unrelated to skills and ability.

kevin corms · May 7, 2019

osaka35 said:
Okay, this is the kind of thing they're talking about. that's a pretty dang racist website. I'll PM you why, don't want to glue up this thread with unrelated stuff.

Long hours and crunch time aren't what we're talking about here. We're talking about poor working conditions, being cheated out of proper pay, and mistreating employees based on factors unrelated to skills and ability.

The only news outlets that arent far left seem to be far right for the most part, the story itself was true even if I could do without the opinion piece.
here is a kotaku article about what riot games employees call sexist. https://kotaku.com/inside-the-culture-of-sexism-at-riot-games-1828165483

AdenTheThird · May 7, 2019

What a riot.

osaka35 · May 7, 2019

kevin corms said:
The only news outlets that arent far left seem to be far right for the most part, the story itself was true even if I could do without the opinion piece.
here is a kotaku article about what riot games employees call sexist. https://kotaku.com/inside-the-culture-of-sexism-at-riot-games-1828165483

That seems more in-line with most other reports I've read. Ignoring good ideas because it comes from women seems detrimental to any business. They're hurting themselves by not being more positive for social justice.

kevin corms · May 7, 2019

osaka35 said:
That seems more in-line with most other reports I've read. Ignoring good ideas because it comes from women seems detrimental to any business. They're hurting themselves by not being more positive for social justice.

They say its because they are women, but Im skeptical when sexist people like Anita Sarkeesian were working there.

orangy57 · May 7, 2019

imagine working with the people who make league, that environment's gotta be pretty toxic

osaka35 · May 7, 2019

kevin corms said:
They say its because they are women, but Im skeptical when sexist people like Anita Sarkeesian were working there.

lol that lady is definitely one of the toxic ones. abuses those who are being harmed for her own monetary benefit. But I wouldn't throw everyone else under the bus just because she also takes advantage of them. She's just more like the toxic people they're fighting against than the people they're fighting for.

codezer0 · May 7, 2019

abcdinaz21 said:
I don't understand why everyone is so against arbitration. If you also sign a contract saying you are willing to arbitrate any suits, I think that should hold.

Arbiters are almost wholly hired and bought by the companies that stand the most to lose. Bias ends up strongly against the complainants in cases that would have won in their favor when reviewed in a jury trial.

Legal or not, it's unethical, and slimy as hell to force it. Whether it's a dispute of ISP billing or labor disputes is irrelevant. Effective arbitration should be done by an impartial third party, but in practice, it never is.

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On an aside, watch everyone who is part of the walkout get renegotiated into even worse contracts or fired whenever this finally gets resolved.

kevin corms · May 7, 2019

osaka35 said:
lol that lady is definitely one of the toxic ones. abuses those who are being harmed for her own monetary benefit. But I wouldn't throw everyone else under the bus just because she also takes advantage of them. She's just more like the toxic people they're fighting against than the people they're fighting for.

Right, im just saying we shouldnt just assume everyone is guilty right away, let this play out. the way people act sometimes reminds me of the simpsons episode where homer gets accused of harassment.

codezer0 · May 7, 2019

Orangy57 said:
imagine working with the people who make league, that environment's gotta be pretty toxic

Even though it's biologically impossible, i can't help but have the lingering fear that the toxicity would breed an airborne version of a sexually transmitted disease.

Viri · May 7, 2019

I expect them to have more job positions opening up in the future!

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