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How do you feel about abortion?
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People think they have more privileges than their enemy in a war. It's not only the US. It is the people that cannot think farther than their bellys. This post is full of people like this, and they are from many countries.
The 2Pac video hit the nail on its head in one regard though.
Remember when 2Pac had his fake beef with Biggie, that was conjured up so idiots would buy more records, because "any news are good news (attention)"?
And this all ended, by one of them getting killed, so it wasn't funny anymore?
This is the US for you in a nutshell.
Pitch people against each other with a fake emotionally loaded issues (thats all the political landscape in the US is right now). Then count on them bashing each others heads in until one person crys. Then post dank memes on the internet calling them a crybaby.
I leave you with another great illustration of MAGA:
edit: Also, do you see the Amal Clooney in the video thumbnail above? Thats Gorge Clooneys wife, whos a human rights lawyer. God, you are messed up as a country, when not even that counts for anything in the public eye anymore - because you can always borrow it with more Pepe memes, and character tweets. Or another 20 hastily produced shows on the netflix.
Remember when 2Pac had his fake beef with Biggie, that was conjured up so idiots would buy more records, because "any news are good news (attention)"?
And this all ended, by one of them getting killed, so it wasn't funny anymore?
This is the US for you in a nutshell.
Pitch people against each other with a fake emotionally loaded issues (thats all the political landscape in the US is right now). Then count on them bashing each others heads in until one person crys. Then post dank memes on the internet calling them a crybaby.
I leave you with another great illustration of MAGA:
edit: Also, do you see the Amal Clooney in the video thumbnail above? Thats Gorge Clooneys wife, whos a human rights lawyer. God, you are messed up as a country, when not even that counts for anything in the public eye anymore - because you can always borrow it with more Pepe memes, and character tweets. Or another 20 hastily produced shows on the netflix.
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See, thats not the point... The point is, and always was, that "I'm pro life" is just too easy of a cop out, because what you cause, by making this your hardline believe - heavily depends on the circumstance.
And when not even rape victims in war, or sex slaves are allowed to abort their pregnancies, because your administration is downright misogynistic - "I'm pro life" ran out of its emotional charge about five steps past.
Dont be a hardliner on matters you dont undertstand, is the message here. Dont side with China and Russia, and no one else in the world on this matter, because in your mind you are seeing this becoming a PR problem in the next wars you will engage in.
If you do, you are assholes.
Also - dear pro lifers, childhood mortality decreased from 24% in the 1940s to 4% in 2017, so by any stretch of the imagination, women are able to have more children, than at any time in history before. So why be the hardliner, that has to throw a hissy fit at "but EVERY child should be born", and insist, that they are morally right - when refusing to look any of the circumstances, or the womens, and the childs life thereafter.
Being trapped in an emotional catch 22 for your whole life isnt a virtue - and no, you are not a victim, for being called an asshole, because you cant get off of your high horse of "saving them babies". How about helping a real person instead. Instead of playing a hardliner on an issue probably not effecting you ever, on the intertthewebs.
Stats from: https://ourworldindata.org/child-mortality
And when not even rape victims in war, or sex slaves are allowed to abort their pregnancies, because your administration is downright misogynistic - "I'm pro life" ran out of its emotional charge about five steps past.
Dont be a hardliner on matters you dont undertstand, is the message here. Dont side with China and Russia, and no one else in the world on this matter, because in your mind you are seeing this becoming a PR problem in the next wars you will engage in.
If you do, you are assholes.
Also - dear pro lifers, childhood mortality decreased from 24% in the 1940s to 4% in 2017, so by any stretch of the imagination, women are able to have more children, than at any time in history before. So why be the hardliner, that has to throw a hissy fit at "but EVERY child should be born", and insist, that they are morally right - when refusing to look any of the circumstances, or the womens, and the childs life thereafter.
Being trapped in an emotional catch 22 for your whole life isnt a virtue - and no, you are not a victim, for being called an asshole, because you cant get off of your high horse of "saving them babies". How about helping a real person instead. Instead of playing a hardliner on an issue probably not effecting you ever, on the intertthewebs.
Stats from: https://ourworldindata.org/child-mortality
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Yeah, thats why the entire global elite is out to eradicate childhood mortality and raise living wages all over the world, except for the countries they actually made their money in.
If I can have a little of your time to actually think a few things through.
"Limits to growth" is an actual issue, if the world population more than doubled over the last 50 years (https://ourworldindata.org/world-population-growth), oil is running out (which is used to make fertilizers), and raising temperatures make food production yields decline.
Now. In ALL of the developed countries we've actually "stabilized" population growth (think of chinas one child policy - they managed as well). Cynical as it sounds, now we are out to teach the rest of the world how to do it - because of some hard logic I'll explain at the end of this posting.
We do it the following way. We raise wages in poorer countries. We introduce family planing (Abortions, abortions, everyehere! Yes, but also contraception, the principal of womens rights, and so on.). We make those countries think about state financed elder care systems. For those, you need "stable societies". Meaning - if there is a war every 15 years, all your pension plans dont matter zilt.
Why do we do it that way - because the main reason population growth decoupled from income growth in those countries (people in poorer countries getting far more children, even though "they cant affort to" and we then attend to them through "aid") is - wait for it - old age security. In those countries, a child just dying is more common place than in more developed societies, so you better plan in more than one. And if you plan in 10 the chances, of one of them making it and then attending to your need at an old age just get higher. So better plan in 10 then - because your old age support structure - is your family.
So raise womens rights - they refuse to have ten. Reduce childhood mortality - the need to "better get another one" drops. Raise living wages - they tend to be able to plan more. Give them 401k plans and hope for stability - and the number of children a married couple gets - sinks. To basically two.
If you dont.
You get entire societies, that consist of mainly young people, without food (limits to growth), without jobs (non developed countries), that are hungry (no food), and angry (no opportunities). So if you ask them if they want to eat, or fight - they choose to fight. Because they want opportunity more, than they want to "just get by".
Now - at the same time societies in the developed world are getting "older" (whole bunch of trends, contraception being one of the main ones), because there are no more baby booms (This difference will "grow itself out" so you will not always have more old folks proportionally).
Now the young, and hungry societies, want to go to war even more. Because they now also see it as freaking unjust, that they have nothing and all those old white dudes have "everything", even taking their oil. Oh yeah, and they do, because everyone of them has a smartphone by now (Power of media.
).
Here is what follows now.
They rebell. We nuke them. US military be like "that was great", but everyone else will tremble in horror.
So there are efforts going on at the international stage to prevent that outcome by any means possible.
Thats the great conspiracy against human life.
People are actively working on lowering the growth rate of humanity. For a reason.
--
Now we look at this from the viewpoint of a fundamential religious person.
Religions are social institutions, that pronounce people members by birth. So they get more members (and more importance), if... More people are born.
Historically to be "allowed" by the state, they had to serve a social function (be beneficial to the state), so they usually attended to the poor, which the earlier forms of states had no interest in attending to.
From that derives the notion, that everything a religion does is just and moral - because, god. Kind of a beatdown argument that one - but beats everything.
Turns out that thats BS as well and religions where the cause of some of the most horrific shit that occurred in the history of human civilization, but lets not blame that on religion, lets just say - thats humans. Ever being forgetful, ever driven by urges to get power, or advance.
So at some point, a few people chose to actually call "dipshit" we dont want to believe in eternal rules anymore - an those where in large part who founded the US to begin with. After a few wars, because the US initially was a UK colony starting out. The religious doctrine stuff they tackled by stating, that every man (not slave), should be able to believe in what they want to believe in. Kind of passive agressive, but effective.
Now as soon as the US became independent, they engaged in THE most bloody civil war in the history of the world (because humans), and killed all the indians, and then finally settled into what they had. Because god.
--
Then everything went well for a few centuries, and a few gambles pulled off, and then Einstein and his posse faked out everyone and made it impossible for many nations in the world to go to war with each other at all.
So many babies were saved.
Now just dont be a hardliner and fight for the life of every unborn child - while ignoring literally all of the circumstances of how his life is likely to turn out - and we are good. Thats all anyone is asking.
Of course you could also have it your way, of saving all them babies, and then nuke entire nations, because they start to move, and start to bomb, and start to recruit, at which point you always start to call them terrorists, for some reason. Because they are young, and our societies, not so much.
--
You can also look at this the other way. You just started an experiment of what it would look like, if an idiot pro life hardliner became your leader of state, and made some of the important decisions. And it is a freaking horror show - let me tell you.
So this is definitely not a the "good" people against the "bad people" here - even if some of them are for abortion, and contraception. And also, you arent good, just because you believe in god. You might be delusional, or need some certainty in your life you cant get otherwise - but thats about it. Let everyone believe in what they want to believe in. But then not act like assholes, but as at least somewhat decent human beings.
Think of George Clooney if you have to.
If I can have a little of your time to actually think a few things through.
"Limits to growth" is an actual issue, if the world population more than doubled over the last 50 years (https://ourworldindata.org/world-population-growth), oil is running out (which is used to make fertilizers), and raising temperatures make food production yields decline.
Now. In ALL of the developed countries we've actually "stabilized" population growth (think of chinas one child policy - they managed as well). Cynical as it sounds, now we are out to teach the rest of the world how to do it - because of some hard logic I'll explain at the end of this posting.
We do it the following way. We raise wages in poorer countries. We introduce family planing (Abortions, abortions, everyehere! Yes, but also contraception, the principal of womens rights, and so on.). We make those countries think about state financed elder care systems. For those, you need "stable societies". Meaning - if there is a war every 15 years, all your pension plans dont matter zilt.
Why do we do it that way - because the main reason population growth decoupled from income growth in those countries (people in poorer countries getting far more children, even though "they cant affort to" and we then attend to them through "aid") is - wait for it - old age security. In those countries, a child just dying is more common place than in more developed societies, so you better plan in more than one. And if you plan in 10 the chances, of one of them making it and then attending to your need at an old age just get higher. So better plan in 10 then - because your old age support structure - is your family.
So raise womens rights - they refuse to have ten. Reduce childhood mortality - the need to "better get another one" drops. Raise living wages - they tend to be able to plan more. Give them 401k plans and hope for stability - and the number of children a married couple gets - sinks. To basically two.
If you dont.
You get entire societies, that consist of mainly young people, without food (limits to growth), without jobs (non developed countries), that are hungry (no food), and angry (no opportunities). So if you ask them if they want to eat, or fight - they choose to fight. Because they want opportunity more, than they want to "just get by".
Now - at the same time societies in the developed world are getting "older" (whole bunch of trends, contraception being one of the main ones), because there are no more baby booms (This difference will "grow itself out" so you will not always have more old folks proportionally).
Now the young, and hungry societies, want to go to war even more. Because they now also see it as freaking unjust, that they have nothing and all those old white dudes have "everything", even taking their oil. Oh yeah, and they do, because everyone of them has a smartphone by now (Power of media.
).Here is what follows now.
They rebell. We nuke them. US military be like "that was great", but everyone else will tremble in horror.
So there are efforts going on at the international stage to prevent that outcome by any means possible.
Thats the great conspiracy against human life.
People are actively working on lowering the growth rate of humanity. For a reason.
--
Now we look at this from the viewpoint of a fundamential religious person.
Religions are social institutions, that pronounce people members by birth. So they get more members (and more importance), if... More people are born.
Historically to be "allowed" by the state, they had to serve a social function (be beneficial to the state), so they usually attended to the poor, which the earlier forms of states had no interest in attending to.
From that derives the notion, that everything a religion does is just and moral - because, god. Kind of a beatdown argument that one - but beats everything.
Turns out that thats BS as well and religions where the cause of some of the most horrific shit that occurred in the history of human civilization, but lets not blame that on religion, lets just say - thats humans. Ever being forgetful, ever driven by urges to get power, or advance.
So at some point, a few people chose to actually call "dipshit" we dont want to believe in eternal rules anymore - an those where in large part who founded the US to begin with. After a few wars, because the US initially was a UK colony starting out. The religious doctrine stuff they tackled by stating, that every man (not slave), should be able to believe in what they want to believe in. Kind of passive agressive, but effective.
Now as soon as the US became independent, they engaged in THE most bloody civil war in the history of the world (because humans), and killed all the indians, and then finally settled into what they had. Because god.
--
Then everything went well for a few centuries, and a few gambles pulled off, and then Einstein and his posse faked out everyone and made it impossible for many nations in the world to go to war with each other at all.
So many babies were saved.
Now just dont be a hardliner and fight for the life of every unborn child - while ignoring literally all of the circumstances of how his life is likely to turn out - and we are good. Thats all anyone is asking.
Of course you could also have it your way, of saving all them babies, and then nuke entire nations, because they start to move, and start to bomb, and start to recruit, at which point you always start to call them terrorists, for some reason.
Because they are young, and our societies, not so much.--
You can also look at this the other way. You just started an experiment of what it would look like, if an idiot pro life hardliner became your leader of state, and made some of the important decisions. And it is a freaking horror show - let me tell you.
So this is definitely not a the "good" people against the "bad people" here - even if some of them are for abortion, and contraception. And also, you arent good, just because you believe in god. You might be delusional, or need some certainty in your life you cant get otherwise - but thats about it. Let everyone believe in what they want to believe in. But then not act like assholes, but as at least somewhat decent human beings.
Think of George Clooney if you have to.
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Yeah, thats why the entire global elite is out to eradicate childhood mortality and raise living wages all over the world, except for the countries they actually made their money in.
If I can have a little of your time to actually think a few things through.
"Limits to growth" is an actual issue, if the world population more than doubled over the last 50 years (https://ourworldindata.org/world-population-growth), oil is running out (which is used to make fertilizers), and raising temperatures make food production yields decline.
Now. In ALL of the developed countries we've actually "stabilized" population growth (think of chinas one child policy - they managed as well). Cynical as it sounds, now we are out to teach the rest of the world how to do it - because of some hard logic I'll explain at the end of this posting.
We do it the following way. We raise wages in poorer countries. We introduce family planing (Abortions, abortions, everyehere! Yes, but also contraception, the principal of womens rights, and so on.). We make those countries think about state financed elder care systems. For those, you need "stable societies". Meaning - if there is a war every 15 years, all your pension plans dont matter zilt.
Why do we do it that way - because the main reason population growth decoupled from income growth in those countries (people in poorer countries getting far more children, even though "they cant affort to" and we then attend to them through "aid") is - wait for it - old age security. In those countries, a child just dying is more common place than in more developed societies, so you better plan in more than one. And if you plan in 10 the chances, of one of them making it and then attending to your need at an old age just get higher. So better plan in 10 then - because your old age support structure - is your family.
So raise womens rights - they refuse to have ten. Reduce childhood mortality - the need to "better get another one" drops. Raise living wages - they tend to be able to plan more. Give them 401k plans and hope for stability - and the number of children a married couple gets - sinks. To basically two.
If you dont.
You get entire societies, that consist of mainly young people, without food (limits to growth), without jobs (non developed countries), that are hungry (no food), and angry (no opportunities). So if you ask them if they want to eat, or fight - they choose to fight. Because they want opportunity more, than they want to "just get by".
Now - at the same time societies in the developed world are getting "older" (whole bunch of trends, contraception being one of the main ones), because there are no more baby booms (This difference will "grow itself out" so you will not always have more old folks proportionally).
Now the young, and hungry societies, want to go to war even more. Because they now also see it as freaking unjust, that they have nothing and all those old white dudes have "everything", even taking their oil. Oh yeah, and they do, because everyone of them has a smartphone by now (Power of media.
Here is what follows now.
They rebell. We nuke them. US military be like "that was great", but everyone else will tremble in horror.
So there are efforts going on at the international stage to prevent that outcome by any means possible.
Thats the great conspiracy against human life.
People are actively working on lowering the growth rate of humanity. For a reason.
--
Now we look at this from the viewpoint of a fundamential religious person.
Religions are social institutions, that pronounce people members by birth. So they get more members (and more importance), if... More people are born.
Historically to be "allowed" by the state, they had to serve a social function (be beneficial to the state), so they usually attended to the poor, which the earlier forms of states had no interest in attending to.
From that derives the notion, that everything a religion does is just and moral - because, god. Kind of a beatdown argument that one - but beats everything.
Turns out that thats BS as well and religions where the cause of some of the most horrific shit that occurred in the history of human civilization, but lets not blame that on religion, lets just say - thats humans. Ever being forgetful, ever driven by urges to get power, or advance.
So at some point, a few people chose to actually call "dipshit" we dont want to believe in eternal rules anymore - an those where in large part who founded the US to begin with. After a few wars, because the US initially was a UK colony starting out. The religious doctrine stuff they tackled by stating, that every man (not slave), should be able to believe in what they want to believe in. Kind of passive agressive, but effective.
Now as soon as the US became independent, they engaged in THE most bloody civil war in the history of the world (because humans), and killed all the indians, and then finally settled into what they had. Because god.
--
Then everything went well for a few centuries, and a few gambles pulled off, and then Einstein and his posse faked out everyone and made it impossible for many nations in the world to go to war with each other at all.
So many babies were saved.
Now just dont be a hardliner and fight for the life of every unborn child - while ignoring literally all of the circumstances of how his life is likely to turn out - and we are good. Thats all anyone is asking.
Of course you could also have it your way, of saving all them babies, and then nuke entire nations, because they start to move, and start to bomb, and start to recruit, at which point you always start to call them terrorists, for some reason.
--
You can also look at this the other way. You just started an experiment of what it would look like, if an idiot pro life hardliner became your leader of state, and made some of the important decisions. And it is a freaking horror show - let me tell you.
So this is definitely not a the "good" people against the "bad people" here - even if some of them are for abortion, and contraception. And also, you arent good, just because you believe in god. You might be delusional, or need some certainty in your life you cant get otherwise - but thats about it. Let everyone believe in what they want to believe in. But then not act like assholes, but as at least somewhat decent human beings.
Think of George Clooney if you have to.
Old "wall-of-text" is back.
There are some that don't support a particular person. But rely on their gut feelings.
You always have to ram your left wing liberal rantings down everyone's throats. And yell "Trump supporter" to those who disagree with your globalist agenda. You can stick it up your globalist arse mate.
There are certain circumstances when abortion should be allowed or even considered.
Rape
Birth defects
The point is for most sane people is this... should a whore who has a higher sperm count than a typical male be allowed to just abort at will? Is life really that disposable?
People need to learn there are consequences for their actions.
On the flip side though, if it were criminalised, back Street idiots armed with knitting needles would be doing the procedure.
So, while I do not agree with abortion in every circumstance... It should be legal and an option. If only to save the idiot whores from themselves.
The big man upstairs will take action accordingly at the right time.
If ladies have had to have an abortion through rape or defects or ectopic pregnancies, then my heart goes out to you.
For the "ladies" having unprotected sex with many different partners without protection, and relying on abortion to get them out of trouble, get some self respect.
None of this is a left wing position.
(Mainly because its geopolitic, so there isn't really a left or right, in that field you usually call the poles within fractions hawks and doves..)
Its a construct to make people get over hard times, or follow doctrine without questioning.
Also nobody is asking for your heart that goes out, if you are a religious fundamentalist.
In my experience people rather stay away from you. Unless the church calls for mess, in which case everyone congregates, but thats a societal function.
Now the thing is that I, or anyone in general usually doesnt confront you with that reality, because we dont know what breaks down for you, If we take that concept away from you. So the usual answer to any thing you say is "good, be happy with your believes". Until you start to want to make them political doctrine. Then we have to debate, because - you litterally come from a point of
Thats religion explained by a post enlightenment human being in two paragraphs. Do you know the stories, of children, that play with imaginary friends? Its the same principal. You arent supposed to take them away from them, its a manefestation of their psyche, its a compensation cycle their brain runs. Thats what a neuroscientist would tell you. It also can be god, its entirely fine. Just dont try to sculpt the world in that image - we went through that as societies already. A little less fundamentalist, everyone wins.
You can refute this as babel, I will not push on this point any more - religious believe is an individual decision.
(Mainly because its geopolitic, so there isn't really a left or right, in that field you usually call the poles within fractions hawks and doves..
)The big man upstairs doesnt exist.
Its a construct to make people get over hard times, or follow doctrine without questioning.
Also nobody is asking for your heart that goes out, if you are a religious fundamentalist.
In my experience people rather stay away from you. Unless the church calls for mess, in which case everyone congregates, but thats a societal function.
Now the thing is that I, or anyone in general usually doesnt confront you with that reality, because we dont know what breaks down for you, If we take that concept away from you. So the usual answer to any thing you say is "good, be happy with your believes". Until you start to want to make them political doctrine. Then we have to debate, because - you litterally come from a point of
Thats religion explained by a post enlightenment human being in two paragraphs. Do you know the stories, of children, that play with imaginary friends? Its the same principal. You arent supposed to take them away from them, its a manefestation of their psyche, its a compensation cycle their brain runs. Thats what a neuroscientist would tell you.
It also can be god, its entirely fine. Just dont try to sculpt the world in that image - we went through that as societies already. A little less fundamentalist, everyone wins.You can refute this as babel, I will not push on this point any more - religious believe is an individual decision.
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You are probably what you'd call a nationalist. Someone thats so invested in your countries national myth (exceptional, chosen people, greatest nation on earth, american dream (of working two jobs just to get by, and not having health insurance)), that you cant believe that the rest of the world thinks that you are outright asses at the moment.
Like - the world would have been better off, if america hadnt taken any initiative in the last 20 years.
You were so invested in thinking about an imaginary border with mexico, that you forgot, what your actions would result in geopolitically. You lost the feeling of the difference between national politics (trying to get people to vote for you by any means possible (currently populism)), and international politics - where you are supposed to act like rational actors.
Dont side with the rape as a weapon of war folks at the UN and we are fine. The amount of slack the rest of the world is willing to cut you is endless. And by god you know it.
Like - the world would have been better off, if america hadnt taken any initiative in the last 20 years.
You were so invested in thinking about an imaginary border with mexico, that you forgot, what your actions would result in geopolitically. You lost the feeling of the difference between national politics (trying to get people to vote for you by any means possible (currently populism)), and international politics - where you are supposed to act like rational actors.
Dont side with the rape as a weapon of war folks at the UN and we are fine. The amount of slack the rest of the world is willing to cut you is endless. And by god you know it.
there is no such thing as an elite, anyone can be wiped from this earth with a simple squeeze oof a finger. And if you were really "pro life" you understand that there are way too many humans on this earth and that the Japanese killed off the entire pacific ocean and all of them should be wiped out. The chinese account for most of the worlds pollution and should probably be wiped out too. There are lots of other living things out there other than humans. The africans wiped out entire forest populations and extinct everything they touch and should be wiped out.
Was that necessary? Don't general people like that. There are shit heads on both sides of the political spectrum.
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i dont support rape but that video says "rape is a form of genocide"
how is non consensual reproduction a form of killing off a population?
its quite the opposite
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imagine thinking overpopulation is a serious issue and wanting to solve it through homicide. Thanos is a villian for a reason.
I can't stand when people think society is a list of statistics that keep us running systematically. There is very little science behind humanity. There are a set of self-evident truths that are frequently twisted by large people or people groups for their own personal agendas.
When we make society about numbers, we lose any kind of humanity we have left.
I can't stand when people think society is a list of statistics that keep us running systematically. There is very little science behind humanity. There are a set of self-evident truths that are frequently twisted by large people or people groups for their own personal agendas.
When we make society about numbers, we lose any kind of humanity we have left.
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A person is important. Individuals have lives and feelings and contribute in their own ways. Humans, however, humans are making the planet uninhabitable and driving other species to extinction. So theres that too.
Do you know what rape does to a rape victim? No? Well let me educate you.
It eradicates their sense of self ( https://scholarcommons.usf.edu/cgi/...le.com/&httpsredir=1&article=1180&context=etd ) it fucks with your identity - it makes people husks of their former selfs if its done repeatedly. Its a known 'technique' in war to break societal resistance. It destroys personal and societal identity.
Here is why. Its repeat induced trauma. After a while your consciousness goes bye bye for you to be able to survive. Its loss of the perception that your body is yours. This fucks with your sense of self and being. That makes you basically shed a sense of character, or you as an individual being.
Its often used that way in tribal conflicts (captured and abducted women, that then are being force 'integrated' into other tribes). Rape and destroying cultures often go hand in hand.
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Also another 70TB going in the front mount drive bays of this server. 182tb raw, going to probably use a zfs RAID-Z3 for 3 parity disks, so 140TB usable
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I could claw back 14tb by only doing 2 parity disks but I feel like with 13 disks in the RAID I'd be kind of pushing my luck on rebuild time if I encounter a disk failure
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