Trump's Transgender Troop Ban Goes Into Effect

Deleted User · Apr 13, 2019

Neo Draven said:
I'd rather attack an argument than a person. A clever man (a MAN, with Y chromosome) can annihilate any snowflake by using wit, without needing to resort to base personal insults.

S'more fun that way.

A Y chromosome activates a gene which makes cells create testosterone. Testosterone determines the development of male characteristics and whether a fetus will develop a penis and testicles. The cells also create antimullerian hormone which prevents the development of the female reproductive tract.

So basically if through some birth defect a fetus with XX chromosomes develops into a male, it's because of hormones that are normally created by a gene carried by the Y chromosome.

So explain to me why an XX man whom has the same hormones as an XY man isn't intelligent and how women who lack hormones which 99.9% of the time rely on the Y chromosome are also intelligent?

AmandaRose · Apr 13, 2019

Snugglevixen said:
A Y chromosome activates a gene which makes cells create testosterone. Testosterone determines the development of male characteristics and whether a fetus will develop a penis and testicles. The cells also create antimullerian hormone which prevents the development of the female reproductive tract.

So basically if through some birth defect a fetus with XX chromosomes develops into a male, it's because of hormones that are normally created by a gene carried by the Y chromosome.

So explain to me why an XX man whom has the same hormones as an XY man isn't intelligent and how women who lack hormones 99.9% of the time rely on the Y chromosome are also intelligent?

I was just in the middle of typing pretty much exactly what you just posted lol.

WeedZ · Apr 13, 2019

Do they not teach physiology anymore?

Snugglevixen said:
A Y chromosome activates a gene which makes cells create testosterone. Testosterone determines the development of male characteristics and whether a fetus will develop a penis and testicles. The cells also create antimullerian hormone which prevents the development of the female reproductive tract.

So basically if through some birth defect a fetus with XX chromosomes develops into a male, it's because of hormones that are normally created by a gene carried by the Y chromosome.

So explain to me why an XX man whom has the same hormones as an XY man isn't intelligent and how women who lack hormones which 99.9% of the time rely on the Y chromosome are also intelligent?

A gene is a set of instructions found in DNA, which is contained in a chromosome. The presence of the y chromosome holds the instructions to create a Male. Has nothing to do with production of testosterone. Testosterone production is a function of the gonads, not random cells, which in males is the testes. Some other gender neutral organs create testosterone as well, but my point is youre a Male before the testosterone production. I could go on, but basically you could have said we all came from storks and it would have been about as accurate.

cots · Apr 14, 2019

KingVamp said:
While I do think the word transphobia sometimes gets thrown around too easily, it clear that some people here are just hating and don't care rather being transgender actually affects their abilities as a soldier.

The word transphobia is often used in the same manner as bigot and racist. Not only does it not apply to the situation, but it's simply being used to oppress other peoples point of views. Don't agree with something that someones says - simply throw out the word to silence the person. Misappropriately overusing the word actually does harm to the people that are actual victims of people being transphobic, bigots and/or racists as the words become hollow sounding to the people that you're trying to oppress. I don't see how going around acting the same as the people you dislike is going to solve anything.

CraddaPoosta · Apr 14, 2019

You said it all right there. Anomaly. Remember when I said that? Birth defects. Not XX, not XY. Birth defects. Anomaly. Would you like for me to post the dictionary definition of anomaly for you?

Testosterone treatments cannot change XX to XY. Period.

Testosterone treatments cannot alter every single cell within your body to contain a Y chromosome, even if you can achieve the same effects that a present Y chromosome would have achieved naturally.

Anything else?

cots · Apr 14, 2019

Neo Draven said:
You said it all right there. Anomaly. Remember when I said that? Birth defects. Not XX, not XY. Birth defects. Anomaly. Would you like for me to post the dictionary definition of anomaly for you?

Birth defects and anomalies occur in such a small percentage of the population that trying to use them to justify the entire transsexual movement is really not a smart way to go about it. I'm not saying that is what you're doing, but often to support their viewpoint the presence of such things is used to try to convey "a reason" why everyone acts like they do when the fact is only a very minute percentage of transsexual people have such anomalies.

CraddaPoosta · Apr 14, 2019

Transexual refers to a style of dress. Transgender refers to the mental disorder that makes a boy think he's a girl.

Viri · Apr 14, 2019

Smoker1 said:
Please, do explain how someone being Gay/Lesbian

Nobody in this thread said they shouldn't. Most in this thread agree that gays should be allowed in the military.

bi388 · Apr 14, 2019

urherenow said:
heh. Figures someone would say this and someone would also "like" it. God gave us the brains to make medicine. He also made us in his image. You are trying to alter that image. I could go all day, but you're loony tunes anyway. There's just no point.

Trans aren't natural. You can't see the distinction?

Prove it. To both points. God this whole thread is a mess but this is what made me respond when reading through it. You cant make claims like these without the burden or proof. Also, you used the Appeal To Nature fallacy, implying whats "natural" is inherently better.

cots · Apr 14, 2019

Neo Draven said:
Transexual refers to a style of dress. Transgender refers to the mental disorder that makes a boy think he's a girl.

Transgender people have a gender identity or gender expression that differs from their assigned sex. Transgender people are sometimes called transsexual if they desire medical assistance to transition from one sex to another.

CraddaPoosta · Apr 14, 2019

So explain to me why an XX man whom has the same hormones as an XY man isn't intelligent and how women who lack hormones which 99.9% of the time rely on the Y chromosome are also intelligent?

Who said anything about intelligence? People with a mental disorder can still be intelligent.

bi388 · Apr 14, 2019

Last time this "debate" happened I posted a bunch of scientific, peer reviewed studies showing that trans peoples brains are physically and observably more similar to their identified sex than birth sex. If i need to i can go back in my post history and find them. Id like to see why physical body characteristics only matter until they dont support your side, then theyre ignored.

Viri · Apr 14, 2019

bi388 said:
Last time this "debate" happened I posted a bunch of scientific, peer reviewed studies showing that trans peoples brains are physically and observably more similar to their identified sex than birth sex. If i need to i can go back in my post history and find them. Id like to see why physical body characteristics only matter until they dont support your side, then theyre ignored.

Are you trying to tell me that a transgendered female, is a female brain in a male's body? If that's the case, then it's even worse than I originally thought. That sounds awful, and probably leads to a ton of mental illness.

bi388 · Apr 14, 2019

Viri said:
Are you trying to tell me that a transgendered female, is a female brain in a male's body? If that's the case, then it's even worse than I originally thought. That sounds awful, and probably leads to a ton of mental illness.

Yes. Ill find the studies when i get the chance. Technically being trans isnt a mental illness though, dysphoria is. Theres a distinction because some trans people dont get dysphoria, and some non trans people do. I know a male who has abnormally large amounts of estrogen and it gives him dysphoria when though he isnt trans.

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