Trump's Transgender Troop Ban Goes Into Effect

The Catboy · Apr 13, 2019

Minox said:
Do you read what you link? The statistics you linked shows unintentional injury by far being the highest cause of death ages 1-44. Furthermore, the linked statistics does not show death/suicide rate, it shows percentage of deaths attributed to the named categories among the deceased.

Comparing suicide as a death cause with suicide rate is comparing apples to oranges. It does not apply.

I was in a bit of hurry, I edited my post to be a bit more accurate. One of the highest causes of deaths in males is suicides and I included additional links to back up that statement. That being said, it doesn't change what I said in my post.
Side note, so the staff is just going to continue to keep this extremely transphobic thread open? Why does the staff treat transphobia as such a small issue? The OP clearly just made this thread to spread their transphobic comments and it's rather interesting how the staff just ignores that fact and even replies to my comment instead.

AmandaRose · Apr 13, 2019

Lilith Valentine said:
Side note, so the staff is just going to continue to keep this extremely transphobic thread open? Why does the staff treat transphobia as such a small issue? The OP clearly just made this thread to spread their transphobic comments and it's rather interesting how the staff just ignores that fact and even replies to my comment instead. .

Exactly the amount of transphobic threads and comments that get allowed on this site is shocking. Yet other site members get warnings for alot less. The site staff clearly don't give a fuck about the feelings of trans members which is ridiculous.

How many times do I need to report this thread before the staff realize just how transphobic it is.

yukivulpes · Apr 13, 2019

And if the staff blatantly ignore us or ban us for "drama" or some other bullshit then they are basically being completely disrespectful. Because this thread honestly looks a lot like it was created with intentions of it being bait to cause drama and the OP seems like your average post-election Trump supporter.

The more this carries on the more this will hurt the GBATemp community as a whole and it's reputation.

Xzi · Apr 13, 2019

Lilith Valentine said:
Side note, so the staff is just going to continue to keep this extremely transphobic thread open? Why does the staff treat transphobia as such a small issue? The OP clearly just made this thread to spread their transphobic comments and it's rather interesting how the staff just ignores that fact and even replies to my comment instead.

AmandaRose said:
Exactly the amount of transphobic threads and comments that get allowed on this site is shocking. Yet other site members get warnings for alot less. The site staff clearly don't give a fuck about the feelings of trans members which is ridiculous.

...I do have some mod powers now, but I feel as though it'd be an abuse of said power to close the thread in its entirety. Granted, the first paragraph of the OP is pretty dickish and transphobic, but at the same time, the topic has certainly allowed for those of us who wish to voice their opinions/displeasure do so.

AmandaRose · Apr 13, 2019

We need answers why transphobic threads are allowed yet when trans members defend themselves they are the ones who's comments are deleted or they are warned to shut up by site staff.

Transphobia seems to be acceptable on this site for some reason.

urherenow · Apr 13, 2019

Have any one of you served in the military? No? Then STFU because you have no clue. Anything contrary to good order and discipline is detrimental to the military. You can be considered trans, without having the surgery... but perhaps over 90% in the military are NOT going to accept that in their berthing, let alone in their showers. Overall, far too many Americans can't even stand places that allow trans men to use women's restrooms. In the military, EVERYBODY needs to have their mind on what they're doing. Mistakes in the military cause people to DIE. For this reason, it is all but mandatory to go home when an immediate family member dies. I've seen many people try to opt out of it (name your cliche... hated father, etc), but were sent home anyway.

And don't forget, the initial plan was that the military was going to pay for treatment and surgery. Screw that.

On a personal level... I can't see how some trans people call themselves Christians (some do). You're basically saying that GOD made a mistake when he gave you a penis (or didn't). The hypocrisy!

Xzi · Apr 13, 2019

AmandaRose said:
We need answers why transphobic threads are allowed yet when trans members defend themselves they are the ones who's comments are deleted or they are warned to shut up by site staff.

Transphobia seems to be acceptable on this site for some reason.

IDK, you'd have to give specific examples. Perhaps it wasn't the appropriate time or place to be discussing trans-specific issues, but that's just a blind assumption.

Minox · Apr 13, 2019

I have to question what constitutes transphobia.

Does disagreeing with the classification of transgenderism constitute transphobia? Is transgenderism not a mental disconnect between the way a transgender person sees themself as and what their physical body is? Would it not be fair to consider that disconnect a mental disorder that doesn't occur for the large majority of people? Does disagreeing with treatment method constitute transphobia? Does encouraging someone to wait until they're an adult and absolutely sure they want to transition transphobia? Does disagreeing with someone who is transgender constitute transphobia?

Note that I'm not arguing for the mistreatment of transgender people nor do I think that people experiencing this disconnect shouldn't get treatment to alleviate their issues. All I want to convey is that differing opinions does not constitute a fear of something.

yukivulpes · Apr 13, 2019

This thread is a pretty good example already. Very much shows prejudice. While I don't really care about the military stuff it being used as a justification point by several as to why they think trans people are bad/whatever is disgusting behaviour.

The OP said something along the lines of "trans people aren't real" somewhere (think it was after one post of mine).

The Catboy · Apr 13, 2019

Xzi said:
...I do have some mod powers now, but I feel as though it'd be an abuse of said power to close the thread in its entirety. Granted, the first paragraph of the OP is pretty dickish and transphobic, but at the same time, the topic has certainly allowed for those of us who wish to voice their opinions/displeasure do so.

The topic itself isn't the issue and is well within the purpose of this area in the threads. The issue very clearly didn't make this topic to talk about the issue addressed and just made this topic to spread transphobic comments. Very little of the OP's post actually relates back to the actual article and knowing the OP's history, signature, and comments, it's obvious what the OP's intend was

Minox said:
I have to question what constitutes transphobia.

Does disagreeing with the classification of transgenderism constitute transphobia? Is transgenderism not a mental disconnect between the way a transgender person sees themself as and what their physical body is? Would it not be fair to consider that disconnect a mental disorder that doesn't occur for the large majority of people? Does disagreeing with treatment method constitute transphobia? Does encouraging someone to wait until they're an adult and absolutely sure they want to transition transphobia? Does disagreeing with someone who is transgender constitute transphobia?

Note that I'm not arguing for the mistreatment of transgender people nor do I think that people experiencing this disconnect shouldn't get treatment to alleviate their issues. All I want to convey is that differing opinions does not constitute a fear of something.

The OP's posts are good examples of what transphobia is. And honestly, "disagreeing" with people being trans is also transphobia, "disagreeing" with someone for being trans literally means disagreeing with them simply existing in this world. It's like "disagreeing" with someone being black or gay. Transphobic opinions actually kill people and there's no reason to respect them

Foxi4 · Apr 13, 2019

Lilith Valentine said:
I was in a bit of hurry, I edited my post to be a bit more accurate. One of the highest causes of deaths in males is suicides and I included additional links to back up that statement. That being said, it doesn't change what I said in my post.
Side note, so the staff is just going to continue to keep this extremely transphobic thread open? Why does the staff treat transphobia as such a small issue? The OP clearly just made this thread to spread their transphobic comments and it's rather interesting how the staff just ignores that fact and even replies to my comment instead.

You can't pull the victim card whenever someone points out that you've made a mistake. Transphobia didn't do that - you did that. The statistic muddies the waters - the death rate of 19-year-old males in America, prime time for military enrollment, is 135.2 in 100 000, or 0.13%. According to *your* evidence, 19.9% of them die from suicide in that age group, that's 19.9% of the 0.13% of the total, or 0.02%. If your intention was to make me worry about young male teens dying from suicide, you failed to provide a convincing case.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db37.htm

yukivulpes · Apr 13, 2019

Everything in Lilith's post is on point. Enough on point to highlight a real bias, or perhaps incredible leniency towards hate, in the staff.

This discussion is clearly going nowhere yet now the staff are even jumping in the thread, refusing to do anything but fuel the flame.

The Catboy · Apr 13, 2019

Foxi4 said:
You can't pull the victim card whenever someone points out that you've made a mistake. Transphobia didn't do that - you did that. The statistic muddies the waters - the death rate of 19-year-old males in America, prime time for military enrollment, is 135.2 in 100 000, or 0.13%. According to *your* evidence, 19.9% of them die from suicide in that age group, that's 19.9% of the 0.13% of the total, or 0.02%. If your intention was to make me worry about young male teens dying from suicide, you failed to provide a convincing case.

That doesn't change the rest of my post and quite honestly it's obvious just how shit the staff really has become on this site that you are going after my comment instead of addressing the issues I've brought up.

yukivulpes · Apr 13, 2019

This thread and the staff are going against the rules in fact.

Please show respect for all members at GBAtemp; new or old. Disparaging remarks towards others about race, gender, origin, handicap, age, sexual orientation, personal politics and religion will NOT be tolerated and will most likely be removed by staff. The poster will then be warned, suspended or banned (see the Warnings section below for more information on warnings).

So yeah this is pure bullshit, as stated by the fucking terms of the board.

Xzi · Apr 13, 2019

Minox said:
Does disagreeing with the classification of transgenderism constitute transphobia? Is transgenderism not a mental disconnect between the way a transgender person sees themself as and what their physical body is? Would it not be fair to consider that disconnect a mental disorder that doesn't occur for the large majority of people? Does disagreeing with treatment method constitute transphobia? Does encouraging someone to wait until they're an adult and absolutely sure they want to transition transphobia? Does disagreeing with someone who is transgender constitute transphobia?

All of these questions are meaningless, it simply comes down to treating everyone as human beings. Not using the label 'mentally ill' to dismiss a person's entire identity. It'd be like me dismissing anyone to the political right of Hillary Clinton as neo-nazis.

AmandaRose · Apr 13, 2019

Xzi said:
All of these questions are meaningless, it simply comes down to treating everyone as human beings. Not using the label 'mentally ill' to dismiss a person's entire identity. It'd be like me dismissing anyone to the political right of Hillary Clinton as neo-nazis.

Yes exactly and all the time people make comments about trans people mutilating their genitals ect ect which is out and out trans hatred yet these type of comments never get deleted.

Foxi4 · Apr 13, 2019

Lilith Valentine said:
That doesn't change the rest of my post and quite honestly it's obvious just how shit the staff really has become on this site that you are going after my comment instead of addressing the issues I've brought up.

Discussing issues concerning the trans community isn't, in and out of itself, transphobia. GBAtemp welcomes debate, that de facto means that sometimes you will see points of view that may not align with your own. You don't have to agree with them, but those views are as much welcome on the site as yours are. You're not forced to participate either, you're a part of this discussion willingly. If any targeted harassment or bullying *does* occur, action will no doubt be taken to curb it. All that doesn't change the fact that out of all causes of death suicide is a distant second, teens overwhelmingly die in accidental injuries, for instance in traffic accidents.

yukivulpes · Apr 13, 2019

>issues

What issues? All I saw was blatantly people saying how people should "accept who they were born as and deal with it", basically. If that isn't transphobia I will be damned.

Foxi4 · Apr 13, 2019

yukivulpes said:
>issues

What issues? All I saw was blatantly people saying how people should "accept who they were born as and deal with it", basically. If that isn't transphobia I will be damned.

That's an opinion, not a "disparaging comment". It's just an opinion you don't agree with and don't like.

The Catboy · Apr 13, 2019

Foxi4 said:
Discussing issues concerning the trans community isn't, in and out of itself, transphobia. GBAtemp welcomes debate, that de facto means that sometimes you will see points of view that may not align with your own. You don't have to agree with them, but those views are as much welcome on the site as yours are. You're not forced to participate either, you're a part of this discussion willingly. If any targeted harassment or bullying *does* occur, action will no doubt be taken to curb it. All that doesn't change the fact that out of all causes of death suicide is a distant second, teens overwhelmingly die in accidental injuries, for instance in traffic accidents.

The OP made an entire thread full of transphobic comments, this isn't a debate. If this thread was about race, it would have been deleted by now and there would have been no "debate" on the topic. There shouldn't need to be targetted attacks for transphobia to be taken seriously. Additionally saying that I shouldn't be involved is literally asking me to avoid an actual issue that actually effects me. Transphobia actually affects my life and my safety, I am not going to ignore it.

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