Trump's Transgender Troop Ban Goes Into Effect

cots · Apr 12, 2019

https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/12/politics/transgender-troop-ban-starts/index.html

I have mixed feelings about this one. I mean, I think that someone that can't simply identify what was originally between their legs or has a high tendency for suicide is basically delusional (transgenderism is a mental disorder identified via the DSM criteria and if you have ever tried to commit suicide not only were you a failure, but you also qualify as having mental problems).

However, if you want to go fight and die for your own country I see no problem with that too. Not many people in general ever go and fight for our country so if transgender individuals want to put their life on the line to protect us isn't that a good thing?

LDAsh · Apr 12, 2019

Xzi · Apr 12, 2019

The military obviously can't afford to be this picky, I remember judges sentencing criminals to Army service after we went to war with Afghanistan and Iraq. Then again, this isn't really a policy change concocted by the military, but rather one borne entirely of political maneuvering.

H1B1Esquire · Apr 12, 2019

cots said:
I have mixed feelings about this one. I mean, everyone knows that someone that can't simply identify what was originally between their legs or has a high tendency for suicide is basically delusional (transgenderism is a mental disorder identified via the DSM criteria and if you have ever tried to commit suicide not only were you a failure, but you also qualify as having mental problems...

I did not know this.
I'm unsure if you were joking, but maybe we need to get you started to know where you stand before the Dragon Dance+Return begins

cots · Apr 12, 2019

H1B1Esquire said:
I did not know this.
I'm unsure if you were joking, but maybe we need to get you started to know where you stand before the Dragon Dance+Return begins

My personal belief is that if you cannot figure out what sexual organ you were born with (which transgender people can't seem to figure out) or if you have a higher tendency to try to kill yourself (which is true about the transgender population in general, 40% more so then normal people (the last time I checked the DSM stuff)) that you are delusional. I mean, if you are suicidal or have tried to kill yourself you can't purchase a fire arm and probably ended up in a hospital where you couldn't actually leave on your own free will. That is enough there, but add in the fact that you can't figure out your own gender even topples the cake.

Viri · Apr 12, 2019

Mentally ill people do not belong in the military.

KingVamp · Apr 12, 2019

Any disagreements aside, they are fighting for this country.

H1B1Esquire · Apr 12, 2019

cots said:
can't purchase a fire arm

Ooof. I hope this doesn't devolve.

Hanafuda · Apr 12, 2019

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Money

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Reimer

I'm opposed to any form of discrimination against a person for being gay. Transgender is a whole other business though, and I do think accommodating that theory would be quite disruptive to military discipline and morale.

cots · Apr 12, 2019

Viri said:
Mentally ill people do not belong in the military.

I've never been in the military, but I have plenty of experience with mentally ill people and they do pose a serious threat to the daily operations of anything they are involved in. However, if you want to go die to protect the country and don't have a checkered past of failing to kill yourself I don't think anyone should be able to stop you from defending the county. I mean, not all transgender people have tried to commit suicide and if you have you shouldn't be able to serve regardless.

cottonMOUSE · Apr 12, 2019

cots said:
(transgenderism is a mental disorder identified via the DSM

actually... this isn't the case anymore. GID isn't considered a mental illness in the DSM-V, it was one of the big changes!

Xzi · Apr 12, 2019

cots said:
My personal belief is that if you cannot figure out what sexual organ you were born with (which transgender people can't seem to figure out) or if you have a higher tendency to try to kill yourself (which is true about the transgender population in general, 40% more so then normal people (the last time I checked the DSM stuff)) that you are delusional. I mean, if you are suicidal or have tried to kill yourself you can't purchase a fire arm and probably ended up in a hospital where you couldn't actually leave on your own free will. That is enough there, but add in the fact that you can't figure out your own gender even topples the cake.

The military has a much higher suicide rate than the general populace, regardless of gender. I agree it's not a good idea to let people join who are displaying suicidal tendencies or thoughts up front, but the majority tend to develop those thoughts and feelings after joining up and seeing some shit.

LDAsh · Apr 12, 2019

Viri said:
Mentally ill people do not belong in the military.

No, they should stay in The Pentagon and The White House where they belong.

Viri · Apr 12, 2019

Hanafuda said:
I'm opposed to any form of discrimination against a person for being gay.

Gays should be welcomed to the military if they so desire to join. There is nothing wrong with being gay, and they should be treated as equals.

cots said:
I've never been in the military, but I have plenty of experience with mentally ill people and they do pose a serious threat to the daily operations or anything they are involved in

Those mentally ill people should also be discharged, if they're in the military, as they pose a threat to them self, and others.

cots · Apr 12, 2019

Hanafuda said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Money

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Reimer

I'm opposed to any form of discrimination against a person for being gay. Transgender is a whole other business though, and I do think accommodating that theory would be quite disruptive to military discipline and morale.

Discrimination is a funny business as when I share how I personally feel about transgender people (which they encourage you to do) I am being discriminative against them, but then by telling me how I should act, believe and feel is also being discriminatory against me. One of those lose/lose situations.

Hanafuda · Apr 12, 2019

Viri said:
Gays should be welcomed to the military if they so desire to join. There is nothing wrong with being gay, and they should be treated as equals.

Yeah that's what I said too. Transgender is a different issue though.

cots · Apr 12, 2019

cottonMOUSE said:
actually... this isn't the case anymore. GID isn't considered a mental illness in the DSM-V, it was one of the big changes!

It's still in the DSM-V, it's just been reworded and reclassified. It's basically not considered so "severe" as it previously was, but it's still a mental disorder.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/gender-dysphoria-dsm-5_n_3385287

yukivulpes · Apr 12, 2019

cots said:
My personal belief is that if you cannot figure out what sexual organ you were born with (which transgender people can't seem to figure out) or if you have a higher tendency to try to kill yourself (which is true about the transgender population in general, 40% more so then normal people (the last time I checked the DSM stuff)) that you are delusional. I mean, if you are suicidal or have tried to kill yourself you can't purchase a fire arm and probably ended up in a hospital where you couldn't actually leave on your own free will. That is enough there, but add in the fact that you can't figure out your own gender even topples the cake.

Gender identity !== what sexual organs you are assigned at birth.

For trans people that is

cots · Apr 12, 2019

yukivulpes said:
Gender identity !== what sexual organs you are assigned at birth.

For trans people that is

I understand their viewpoint and respectfully disagree with it.

yukivulpes · Apr 12, 2019

Okay, have fun being backwards in a community where the predominant amount of female members are likely transgender, and in fact several well respected members are indeed MtF...

You win the seal of idiocy tbh

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