Gaming Has Kingdom Hearts III the worst story of them all?

kumikochan · Apr 7, 2019

SG854 said:
Convoluted right. Story hurts my head.

Then why does it say this

Naminé emerged as Kairi's Nobody...but the body and soul necessary to exist as a Nobody belonged to Sora."

Body and soul necessary to exist belonged to Sora.

Nobodies are only created after a heart is consumed by darkness and their heart is strong enough. After releasing or loosing a heart doesn’t always create a nobody. A Nobody is an empty husk. You need a heartless to exist to make a nobody. Kairi being a Princess of Hearts has no darkness, so therefore no nobody and she can’t be a heartless. Which is why Sora was needed as a medium to create Kairi’s nobody. Sora’s empty vessel became Namine. Kari’s Empty vessel in Hollow Bastion was not Namine.

AH for fucks sake, play the entire series for starters. For a heartless to be born the heart doesn't need to be pure darkness, it just needs to be released from the body where it can be consumed by darkness. Nowhere but nowhere does it state a pure heart of light can't become darkness. What you're saying doesn't make sense. Because in that regard Kingdom hearts couldn't be consumed by darkness wich it fucking did !!!!!! Read again what i said, that's the explanation of it all and not yours. You're making stuff up along the way while mine is as official as it gets. A princess of light usually have no darkness but it can be consumed by getting in to contact with darkness. Because it passed through Sora's heart it touched darkness. Also after getting exposed to darkness kairi wasn't a pure light anymore. It had nothing to do with Sora, it had to do with Kairi's heart being exposed to darkness and in the reports it clearly says darkness is as a weed where it sprouts and gets bigger and is really hard to be removed. Ansem did try that tho and created artificial heartless. The artificial heartless have a different emblem. Why namine came to being is because kairi her heart got exposed to darkness. If you would have taken kairi's heart and put it in a jar filled with darkness the same thing would have happened nonetheless. Pureblood heartless only exist when somebody gives in their heart to darkness willingly while the emblem heartless is a type of heartless created by ansem that consumes hearts. Sora was a pureblood heartless because he gave in willingly. So let me say it again one more time a bit more simple. Kairi her heart touched darkness inside of Sora wich rooted in her own heart because of that and that is how Namine could be created and also why she stopped being a princess pure of light.

SG854 · Apr 7, 2019

kumikochan said:
AH for fucks sake, play the entire series for starters. For a heartless to be born the heart doesn't need to be pure darkness, it just needs to be released from the body where it can be consumed by darkness. Nowhere but nowhere does it state a pure heart of light can't become darkness. What you're saying doesn't make sense. Because in that regard Kingdom hearts couldn't be consumed by darkness wich it fucking did !!!!!! Read again what i said, that's the explanation of it all and not yours. You're making stuff up along the way while mine is as official as it gets

A heartless is the darkness that lies within peoples hearts.

This says different.

Princesses who lose their hearts do not become Heartless because they have no darkness within them to trigger the process

https://www.khwiki.com/Princesses_of_Heart#Members

kumikochan · Apr 7, 2019

SG854 said:
A heartless is the darkness that lies within peoples hearts.

This says different.

https://www.khwiki.com/Princesses_of_Heart#Members

Read my edited post. It is all explained there but the gist of it all
Kairi her heart touched darkness inside of Sora wich rooted in her own heart because of that and that is how Namine could be created and also why she stopped being a princess pure of light. It had nothing to do with Sora being special in any way whatsoever. If her heart would be kept in a jar of darkness the same thing would have happened.

KingBlank · Apr 7, 2019

With exception of the toy story world, I did not enjoy the Disney elements of the story. and once we finally got to the non Disney parts - the story and content felt rushed. Xehanort was far too willing to admit defeat, the sora clone/memory collecting bit was tedious filler.

Overall I still enjoyed the game, even a flawed KH game is better than most of the junk AAA publishers excrete these days.

SG854 · Apr 7, 2019

kumikochan said:
AH for fucks sake, play the entire series for starters. For a heartless to be born the heart doesn't need to be pure darkness, it just needs to be released from the body where it can be consumed by darkness. Nowhere but nowhere does it state a pure heart of light can't become darkness. What you're saying doesn't make sense. Because in that regard Kingdom hearts couldn't be consumed by darkness wich it fucking did !!!!!! Read again what i said, that's the explanation of it all and not yours. You're making stuff up along the way while mine is as official as it gets. A princess of light usually have no darkness but it can be consumed by getting in to contact with darkness. Because it passed through Sora's heart it touched darkness. Also after getting exposed to darkness kairi wasn't a pure light anymore. It had nothing to do with Sora, it had to do with Kairi's heart being exposed to darkness and in the reports it clearly says darkness is as a weed where it sprouts and gets bigger and is really hard to be removed. Ansem did try that tho and created artificial heartless. The artificial heartless have a different emblem. Why namine came to being is because kairi her heart got exposed to darkness. If you would have taken kairi's heart and put it in a jar filled with darkness the same thing would have happened nonetheless. Pureblood heartless only exist when somebody gives in their heart to darkness willingly while the emblem heartless is a type of heartless created by ansem that consumes hearts. Sora was a pureblood heartless because he gave in willingly. So let me say it again one more time a bit more simple. Kairi her heart touched darkness inside of Sora wich rooted in her own heart because of that and that is how Namine could be created and also why she stopped being a princess pure of light.

Is that your interpretation. Because this says different, that she is more connected to Sora and was formed from Sora’s body.

Due to the fact that Naminé is formed from Sora's body, she has the power to manipulate his memories as well as the memories of those who are connected to him, prompting several people, even herself, to refer to her as a "witch".

Her body never left the realm of light. She can’t be consumed by darkness.

Kairi's own body never became a Nobody because her heart lacked darkness (since she was one of the Princesses of Heart), so her body and soul were never able to leave the Realm of Light and thus Kairi was in a comatose state until she regained her heart. As a result, Naminé was born without Kairi's memories, only furthering her status as an unusual entity.

https://www.khwiki.com/Naminé

kumikochan · Apr 7, 2019

SG854 said:
Is that your interpretation. Because this says different, that she is more connected to Sora and was formed from Sora’s body.

Her body never left the realm of light. She can’t be consumed by darkness.

https://www.khwiki.com/Naminé

I just f explained it to you . Kairi was a princess of heart. Her heart came in to contact with darkness thanks to being in Sora. Because she came in to contact with darkness she stopped being a princcess of heart. Because of that a nobody could be created. Put her heart in a jar of darkness or in the realm of darkness and the same thing would have fucking happened. Is that so hard to get that i need to keep explaining the same shit over and over and over. Also KHWIKI isn't an official page but FANMADE ! That information doesn't make it more right plus mine makes a million times more sense and can actually be connected to the story in general while that explanation fucking doesn't.

aos10 · Apr 7, 2019

nero99 said:
Pokemon Sun/Moon still has more cut scenes.

i just finished the game couple days ago, and i insist on my previous comment, this has at least double the cut-scenes vs MGS4, some worlds are really good like pirates of the Caribbeans, some are lazy like frozen and big hero6.
and no, sun and moon and less cutscenes then this, at least you can skip the cutscenes here, in sun and moon you can't.

edit: oh god, you guys still talking about kairi and stuff? lol

Purple_Heart · Apr 7, 2019

@kumikochan some people wont get it.

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and one thing....play all games ALL of em to understand KH3 dont let one out or els ya wont get it.

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i had a buddy who only played 1 and 2....asks me who is vanitas and aqua.........damn.....i felt sad for him

SG854 · Apr 7, 2019

kumikochan said:
I just fucking explained it to you haaaaaaaa dammit. Kairi was a princess of heart. Her heart came in to contact with darkness thanks to being in Sora. Because she came in to contact with darkness she stopped being a princcess of heart. Because of that a nobody could be created. Put her heart in a jar of darkness or in the realm of darkness and the same thing would have fucking happened. Is that so hard to get that i need to keep explaining the same shit over and over and over. Ur annoying as hell. Also KHWIKI isn't an official page but FANMADE ! That information doesn't make it more right plus mine makes a million times more sense and can actually be connected to the story in general while that explanation fucking doesn't. Anyway i'm done explaining because you don't want to learn or anything. You're being stubborn and want to proof your own point wich no sorry bye. Done with this

I don’t know if I should believe you. I’m trying to find information but can’t find much about it. It should be widely talked about if it was common knowledge with KH fans. All I see is a few theories based on how they interpret the story.

Her being a POH she’s has the power to cleanse heartless, she did with Sora. So she would’ve cleansed any darkness in her heart. Sora became a heartless because of the darkness in his heart so Namine and Roxas was created. But I can’t find any information about Kairi being corrupted by darkness.

Well I don’t care about this topic anymore. I’m learning more about KH then I want to know.

DANTENDO · Apr 7, 2019

Sora Takihawa said:
and one thing....play all games ALL of em to understand KH3 dont let one out or els ya wont get it.

If you got play all games to follow what go's on in the series then every game should have the word part in the title

Bimmel · Apr 7, 2019

SG854 said:
I don’t know if I should believe you. I’m trying to find information but can’t find much about it. It should be widely talked about if it was common knowledge with KH fans. All I see is a few theories based on how they interpret the story.

Her being a POH she’s has the power to cleanse heartless, she did with Sora. So she would’ve cleansed any darkness in her heart. Sora became a heartless because of the darkness in his heart so Namine and Roxas was created. But I can’t find any information about Kairi being corrupted by darkness.

Well I don’t care about this topic anymore. I’m learning more about KH then I want to know.

About that Kairi thing.. I can't remember it being explained anywhere either. And no, I did not play that browser game.

But Kairi is without a doubt the emptiest characters in the whole series, so maybe that's a clue.

SG854 · Apr 7, 2019

Bimmel said:
About that Kairi thing.. I can't remember it being explained anywhere either. And no, I did not play that browser game.

But Kairi is without a doubt the emptiest characters in the whole series, so maybe that's a clue.

Ya, I can’t any information about her being corrupted by darkness. It is as easy as linking a source for me to believe him but he doesn’t link any. A common complaint I hear is Kairi has no personality in the games.

kumikochan · Apr 7, 2019

Bimmel said:
About that Kairi thing.. I can't remember it being explained anywhere either. And no, I did not play that browser game.

But Kairi is without a doubt the emptiest characters in the whole series, so maybe that's a clue.

It is partly explained over the last games. It is also has been said in Dream drop distance i think but that i am not sure of anymore and in KH3 that Kairi is not a princess of light anymore because of darkness now being inside of her and because of that new princesses of light emerging like elsa and so forth. The new princesses of light emerged because the previous princesses died and Kairi losing her power as a princess of light because she wasn't pure anymore. I do get that that part is badly explained but if you connect the dots well that is what you get.

SG854 · Apr 8, 2019

Bimmel said:
About that Kairi thing.. I can't remember it being explained anywhere either. And no, I did not play that browser game.

But Kairi is without a doubt the emptiest characters in the whole series, so maybe that's a clue.

What Kumikochan said in the above post is totally wrong. I remember this scene with Yen Sid from KH3, I skipped a lot of scenes but this is one I didn’t skip.

He’s wrong about Kairi not being a Princess or Light anymore, the scene in the video clearly explains that the old Princess of Hearts of protecting the light time has ended and they have passed the torch on to others. But Kairi hasn’t passed her power and that she must be a member of the new Princess of Hearts. But she choose to wield the keyblade as one of the guardians of light.

Kumikochan is misremembering and got it completely wrong about her not being a Princess of Heart anymore and about her loosing her power. This is why I didn’t take his comment seriously especially when I couldn’t find any evidence of what he said, no matter how much he said he played all the games and trying to l use i’m knowledgable with the story you’re not arguments.

kumikochan · Apr 8, 2019

SG854 said:
What Kumikochan said in the above post is totally wrong. I remember this scene with Yen Sid from KH3, I skipped a lot of scenes but this is one I didn’t skip.

He’s wrong about Kairi not being a Princess or Light anymore, the scene in the video clearly explains that the old Princess of Hearts of protecting the light time has ended and they have passed the torch on to others. But Kairi hasn’t passed her power and that she must be a member of the new Princess of Hearts. But she choose to wield the keyblade as one of the guardians of light.

Kumikochan is misremembering and got it completely wrong about her not being a Princess of Heart anymore and about her loosing her power. This is why I didn’t take his comment seriously especially when I couldn’t find any evidence of what he said, no matter how much he said he played all the games and trying to l use i’m knowledgable with the story you’re not arguments.

Again that is the only small part that is not significant that it didn't have anything to do with what we first discussed. Everything you said prior is still WRONG. Namine existed because Kairi came in to contact with the darkness inside Sora. That is fact and this little information doesn't change that !!! Your theory doesn't even connect to other parts of the story while what i said connects to everything and makes a million times more sense than the things you were brabbling on about. Plus why are you discussing this. I thought you said you don't like kingdom hearts and the story is a mess and it's convoluted and you don't even want to play the other games.
we see that Kairi's heart joined with Sora's. It was also in that game that Sora released his heart in order to free Kairi's. In doing so, Sora created Roxas (from his own heart) and Namine (from Kairi's heart). The only reason a Nobody was formed was because, unlike Kairi, Sora's heart is not pure light. Darkness is necessary in one's Heart to create a Nobody, since there needs to be a Heartless. No darkness, no Heartless. No Heartless, no Nobody. It's that fucking simple

SG854 · Apr 8, 2019

kumikochan said:
Again that is the only small part that is not significant that it didn't have anything to do with what we first discussed. Everything you said prior is still WRONG. Namine existed because Kairi came in to contact with the darkness inside Sora. That is fact and this little information doesn't change that !!! Your theory doesn't even connect to other parts of the story while what i said connects to everything and makes a million times more sense than the things you were brabbling on about. Plus why are you discussing this. I thought you said you don't like kingdom hearts and the story is a mess and it's convoluted and you don't even want to play the other games.
we see that Kairi's heart joined with Sora's. It was also in that game that Sora released his heart in order to free Kairi's. In doing so, Sora created Roxas (from his own heart) and Namine (from Kairi's heart). The only reason a Nobody was formed was because, unlike Kairi, Sora's heart is not pure light. Darkness is necessary in one's Heart to create a Nobody, since there needs to be a Heartless. No darkness, no Heartless. No Heartless, no Nobody. It's that fucking simple

Who said I didn’t like Kingdom Hearts? I said the story is convoluted, the dialogue awkward, it’s not perfect but it doesn’t mean I hate the games, I enjoy them no matter the imperfections and want to play the others. I like playing even horribly made games, but I put KH above them as decently made and unique, and by no means a super horrible game.

The last paragraph is exactly why I said in previous posts. That Namine needed Sora to exist, that the darkness in his heart creating Roxas also created Namine when he became a heartless. If Sora never became a heartless then no Roxas would exist. But that doesn’t mean Kairi is loosing her power as princess of light. You are repeating exactly what I said.

kumikochan · Apr 8, 2019

SG854 said:
Who said I didn’t like Kingdom Hearts? I said the story is convoluted, the dialogue awkward, it’s not perfect but it doesn’t mean I hate the games, I enjoy them no matter the imperfections and want to play the others. I like playing even horribly made games, but I put KH above them as decently made and unique, and by no means a super horrible game.

The last paragraph is exactly why I said in previous posts. That Namine needed Sora to exist, that the darkness in his heart creating Roxas also created Namine when he became a heartless. If Sora never became a heartless then no Roxas would exist. But that doesn’t mean Kairi is loosing her power as princess of light. You are repeating exactly what I said.

No i didn't repeat what you said. Def not because everything you said was totally different. She didn't Sora to live. She came in to contact with darkness due to being in Sora. If you would have put her heart somewhere else in a different being and the same stuff happening namine would still be born. It has nothing to do with Sora being special whatsoever. It only has to do with darkness being there so that the nobody can be born. You are changing what you said. You said the she needed Sora specifically wich she doesn't. But we can both agree on something related to that so i'm gonna leave it at that. Not in the mood to discuss this over a span of multiple days

Purple_Heart · Apr 8, 2019

Namine dont need Sora to excist i would describe why but my English is bad and i would write garbage.

SG854 · Apr 8, 2019

kumikochan said:
No i didn't repeat what you said. Def not because everything you said was totally different. She didn't Sora to live. She came in to contact with darkness due to being in Sora. If you would have put her heart somewhere else in a different being and the same stuff happening namine would still be born. It has nothing to do with Sora being special whatsoever. It only has to do with darkness being there so that the nobody can be born. You are changing what you said. You said the she needed Sora specifically wich she doesn't

It’s in the Ansem reports I quoted that she needed Sora’s Body and Soul to exist. She needed someone else’s body and soul.

I meant that she didn’t need Sora in the sense that he’s the only one that can help create Namine. She needed Sora in a sense that she needed someone as a medium to create Namine, he just happened to be the one. But it doesn’t mean she has darkness in her since she is a princess of heart, which is what you’ve been saying this whole time and still can’t find evidence that darkness is growing in her and that Namine was created from that. And I provided video evidence that she is not loosing her power. She is more connected to Sora since she doesn’t have Kairi’s memories she can manipulate Sora’s memories.

This is getting ridiculous now, now it’s getting to ridiculous little details since you haven’t shown me evidence Kairi is loosing her power, and then said it doesn’t matter but you brought it up for some reason, and I don’t know if you’re doing this on purpose to downplay what you said. The game is poorly written in areas and it’s like trying to decipher a religious text.

I’m not going to waste my time on this anymore and trying to explain what I actually meant, since your just arguing and not trying to see what I’m trying to say. Your just arguing at this point on.

DBlaze · Apr 8, 2019

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Gaming Has Kingdom Hearts III the worst story of them all?

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The writing was far to cringy and there were too many plotholes (not satisfied)

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